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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Doorkeeper » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:08 pm

Elendil wrote:More calls...please? :D


Do not rush YLS Faculty Members!

They'll tweet about it a few hours before they actually make the calls...maybe not the faculty members themselves...though that would be quite hilarious.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Elendil » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:31 pm

Doorkeeper wrote:
Elendil wrote:More calls...please? :D


Do not rush YLS Faculty Members!

They'll tweet about it a few hours before they actually make the calls...maybe not the faculty members themselves...though that would be quite hilarious.


+1, and I know. Just antsy.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Doorkeeper » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:32 pm

Elendil wrote:
Doorkeeper wrote:
Elendil wrote:More calls...please? :D


Do not rush YLS Faculty Members!

They'll tweet about it a few hours before they actually make the calls...maybe not the faculty members themselves...though that would be quite hilarious.


+1, and I know. Just antsy.


Oh I'm right there with you. Each tweet from them causes me to go through a continuous cycle of anticipation, sadness, acceptance, then anticipation for the phone calls yet to come.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:17 pm

Regarding this: http://blogs.law.yale.edu/blogs/admissions/

So the 700 who comprise the top 20% go on to faculty review, and then that number is whittled down by about 75%, leaving about 175 presumable admits, right?

What about those of us who are not in the top 20 percent? We get to compete for the remaining 25 spots? :roll: This doesn't make me feel like the process is any less numbers-based. To be honest, it just reinforces all of the things that everyone says about LS admissions being about two numbers.

I personally will NOT be in the top 20% because of my long-story LSAC GPA. HOWEVER, I am graduating #1 in a class of over 5,000, 4.0 UGPA, with honors, etc. If I am considered as two numbers, I have no chance at Yale, but if they look the tiniest bit past my LSAC GPA I think they will see a pretty strong application. If I thought I was going to be stuck in a pile of the lower 80% of applicants competing for 25 spots, I don't think I would have spent all that time on my 250...

Please tell me that I'm missing something here.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby yankees42789 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:21 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:Regarding this: http://blogs.law.yale.edu/blogs/admissions/

So the 700 who comprise the top 20% go on to faculty review, and then that number is "whittled down" by about 75%, leaving about 175 presumable admits, right?

What about those of us who are not in the top 20 percent? We get to compete for the remaining 25 spots? :roll: This doesn't make me feel like the process is any less numbers-based. To be honest, it just reinforces all of the things that everyone says about LS admissions being about two numbers.

I personally will NOT be in the top 20% because of my long-story LSAC GPA. HOWEVER, I am graduating #1 in a class of over 5,000, 4.0 UGPA, with honors, etc. If I am considered as two numbers, I have no chance at Yale, but if they look the tiniest bit past my LSAC GPA I think they will see a pretty strong application. If I thought I was going to be stuck in a pile of the lower 80% of applicants competing for 25 spots, I don't think I would have spent all that time on my 250...

Please tell me that I'm missing something here.



The group that goes on to faculty review isn't based strictly on numbers. Dean Asha reads all the applications and sorts them into three groups: auto-admits (something like 50-80 of these a year, I think), faculty review, and presumptive denies. The ones that go into faculty review are the top 20% of applications as judged by Dean Asha, not necessarily those with the highest numbers by some index formula. I do think it's a more genuinely holistic process than at most other schools, so everything will be taken into consideration when they review your app.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:28 pm

yankees42789 wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:Regarding this: http://blogs.law.yale.edu/blogs/admissions/

So the 700 who comprise the top 20% go on to faculty review, and then that number is "whittled down" by about 75%, leaving about 175 presumable admits, right?

What about those of us who are not in the top 20 percent? We get to compete for the remaining 25 spots? :roll: This doesn't make me feel like the process is any less numbers-based. To be honest, it just reinforces all of the things that everyone says about LS admissions being about two numbers.

I personally will NOT be in the top 20% because of my long-story LSAC GPA. HOWEVER, I am graduating #1 in a class of over 5,000, 4.0 UGPA, with honors, etc. If I am considered as two numbers, I have no chance at Yale, but if they look the tiniest bit past my LSAC GPA I think they will see a pretty strong application. If I thought I was going to be stuck in a pile of the lower 80% of applicants competing for 25 spots, I don't think I would have spent all that time on my 250...

Please tell me that I'm missing something here.



The group that goes on to faculty review isn't based strictly on numbers. Dean Asha reads all the applications and sorts them into three groups: auto-admits (something like 50-80 of these a year, I think), faculty review, and presumptive denies. The ones that go into faculty review are the top 20% of applications as judged by Dean Asha, not necessarily those with the highest numbers by some index formula. I do think it's a more genuinely holistic process than at most other schools, so everything will be taken into consideration when they review your app.

Okay, well I guess that makes sense then.

edit: For the YLS admissions gods: Mark 9:24

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby seahawk32 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:55 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:So the 700 who comprise the top 20% go on to faculty review, and then that number is whittled down by about 75%, leaving about 175 presumable admits, right?


Any idea what the range is for the top 20%? 4.0 180 down to...?

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Doorkeeper » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:57 pm

seahawk32 wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:So the 700 who comprise the top 20% go on to faculty review, and then that number is whittled down by about 75%, leaving about 175 presumable admits, right?


Any idea what the range is for the top 20%? 4.0 180 down to...?


It is completely at Asha's discretion. The majority of the class will be 175+, 3.9+ but she forwards anyone that she believes is a compelling applicant, but not strong enough for her to automatically on the spot.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:57 pm

seahawk32 wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:So the 700 who comprise the top 20% go on to faculty review, and then that number is whittled down by about 75%, leaving about 175 presumable admits, right?


Any idea what the range is for the top 20%? 4.0 180 down to...?

Well, it sounds like it's not a statistical top 20%, but the top 700 apps as determined by Dean Asha based upon stats/PS/LOR's.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby bleepbloop » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:58 pm

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:02 pm

bleepbloop wrote:
seahawk32 wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:So the 700 who comprise the top 20% go on to faculty review, and then that number is whittled down by about 75%, leaving about 175 presumable admits, right?


Any idea what the range is for the top 20%? 4.0 180 down to...?


Well considering last year they admitted students with LSATs as low as 153 and GPAs as low as 3.63, I'd say that the top 20% (which, again, is not numbers based) extended that low.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/yale-law-school.html

Well, you can't actually conclude that based upon a few of the lowest data points.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Elston Gunn » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:07 pm

Doorkeeper wrote:
seahawk32 wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:So the 700 who comprise the top 20% go on to faculty review, and then that number is whittled down by about 75%, leaving about 175 presumable admits, right?


Any idea what the range is for the top 20%? 4.0 180 down to...?


It is completely at Asha's discretion. The majority of the class will be 175+, 3.9+ but she forwards anyone that she believes is a compelling applicant, but not strong enough for her to automatically on the spot.


This is true except the LSAT median is 173 and the GPA median around 3.90. So almost half the class has below a 3.9 and more than half have below a 175. Just in case you were accidentally scaring anyone.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Elendil » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:07 pm

Not to sound like a jerk, but I think that a statistical analysis of Yale's applicants is a little bit pointless... for the most part, they seem pretty serious about a holistic approach to all applicants....

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby bleepbloop » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:08 pm

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:11 pm

bleepbloop wrote:
The OP asked for the range. So yes, you can say that since the range did, indeed, go that low.

He asked for the range of the top 20%, your comment would only be correct/relevant if he had asked about the range of the entire class. So no, you can't say that.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Doorkeeper » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:13 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:
bleepbloop wrote:
The OP asked for the range. So yes, you can say that since the range did, indeed, go that low.

He asked for the range of the top 20%, your comment would only be correct/relevant if he had asked about the range of the entire class. So no, you can't say that.


The "top 20%" was in reference to the top 20% of applicants that Asha forwards to the faculty process. We do not know whether the low points on the admissions stats were auto-admits, or they were chosen via faculty review. Therefore, it is possible for those bottom scores to be relevant. We just don't know.

Edit- Looking at LSN, most those with the lowest GPA/LSAT combination appear to gain acceptance in late March/early April, which I would assume means they were faculty review, or got in off the WL, which is picked by Asha after those applicants go through faculty review.
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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:14 pm

Doorkeeper wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:
bleepbloop wrote:
The OP asked for the range. So yes, you can say that since the range did, indeed, go that low.

He asked for the range of the top 20%, your comment would only be correct/relevant if he had asked about the range of the entire class. So no, you can't say that.


The "top 20%" was in reference to the top 20% of applicants that Asha forwards to the faculty process. We do not know whether the low points on the admissions stats were auto-admits, or they were chosen via faculty review. Therefore, it is possible for those bottom scores to be relevant. We just don't know.

Haha, exactly, we don't know. The top 20% is not the entire entering class.

You can't cite the range as evidence about what the top 20% did or didn't include.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Doorkeeper » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:27 pm

cogitoergosum wrote:
Doorkeeper wrote:
cogitoergosum wrote:
bleepbloop wrote:
The OP asked for the range. So yes, you can say that since the range did, indeed, go that low.

He asked for the range of the top 20%, your comment would only be correct/relevant if he had asked about the range of the entire class. So no, you can't say that.


The "top 20%" was in reference to the top 20% of applicants that Asha forwards to the faculty process. We do not know whether the low points on the admissions stats were auto-admits, or they were chosen via faculty review. Therefore, it is possible for those bottom scores to be relevant. We just don't know.

Haha, exactly, we don't know. The top 20% is not the entire entering class.

You can't cite the range as evidence about what the top 20% did or didn't include.


Note my Edit above. Although it doesn't fit the entire range, it might help the discussion.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cogitoergosum » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:35 pm

Yeah, I follow you.

It's cool, as far as my own app goes, I'll just hope for the best while gauging my expectations appropriately. Good luck :)

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby PopTorts13 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:25 pm

Those who are not auto-admitts or worthy of faculty review... Why not tell those applicants they are rejected immediately? Crazy :arrow: Concept.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Doorkeeper » Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:27 pm

PopTorts13 wrote:Those who are not auto-admitts or worthy of faculty review... Why not tell those applicants they are rejected immediately? Crazy :arrow: Concept.


I think Yale starts sending out rejections sometime in Feb and continue to do so through April.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby sandwiches5000 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:44 am

Well, I think I'm bowing out of here. Couldn't get that second academic rec. and after reading the admissions blog again... I think it's not worth spending the $75.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby icedflames » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:48 am

I've got no chance, but I submitted (only four months after my other apps, damn that 250/procrastination).

Good luck to everyone and congrats to those who have been accepted!

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby kulshan » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:33 pm

Yale Admissions shouldn't be allowed to tweet about things that aren't decision-related between December and April. You're killing us, Yale!

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Doorkeeper » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:36 pm

kulshan wrote:Yale Admissions shouldn't be allowed to tweet about things that aren't decision-related between December and April. You're killing us, Yale!


Well at least it tells us that they WON'T be tweeting about admissions-related material today...that's some relief from the near constant panic.




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