Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby T00L » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:28 pm

MumofCad wrote:You all are having a great theoretical discussion, but I will say again, the only relevant thing is that it is YALE. YALE LAW. If you don't apply, with a fee waiver no less.....well you almost certainly are a reject unworthy of admittance anyhow ;)

No, but seriously, there are only 2 reasons I can think of to have not applied already 1) you are still working on applying or 2) you don't think you qualify and thus had not planned to apply. If 1, congratulations, you just saved yourself some money when you are ready to submit. If 2, Yale has just told you that you are wrong, congratulations, you now have a chance to go Yale Law. Either way, you should be doing a happy dance and working on submission. (disclaimer: clearly I have spoken with far too many people who recently graduated from or are attending Yale Law, sigh, must resolve to stop having conversations with them about law school until at least April).


This.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby fingerscrossedxx » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:31 pm

MumofCad wrote:You all are having a great theoretical discussion, but I will say again, the only relevant thing is that it is YALE. YALE LAW. If you don't apply, with a fee waiver no less.....well you almost certainly are a reject unworthy of admittance anyhow ;)

No, but seriously, there are only 2 reasons I can think of to have not applied already 1) you are still working on applying or 2) you don't think you qualify and thus had not planned to apply. If 1, congratulations, you just saved yourself some money when you are ready to submit. If 2, Yale has just told you that you are wrong, congratulations, you now have a chance to go Yale Law. Either way, you should be doing a happy dance and working on submission. (disclaimer: clearly I have spoken with far too many people who recently graduated from or are attending Yale Law, sigh, must resolve to stop having conversations with them about law school until at least April).


This. I received this letter as well and it made me believe I had some tiny, minuscule chance and that's what made me apply to a school I would otherwise have not, simply because I thought I had no chance. So it got me to apply, my earlier comment was just me making the point that I don't think it makes me feel any better about my chances at getting in, seeing as there are WAY too many qualified people who have applied already. It still feels nice though :)

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby addy11 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:51 pm

MumofCad wrote:(disclaimer: clearly I have spoken with far too many people who recently graduated from or are attending Yale Law, sigh, must resolve to stop having conversations with them about law school until at least April).


Are they super into it? I work with a lot of people who went there 10-25 years ago, and they liked it but couldn't comment upon it now.

I know three kids in the Class of 2014, but they give sort of obscure or canned answers.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby mmkitkat » Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:53 pm

Should I be concerned that I got this letter even though I applied on 10/31, got the received e-mail 11/2, and went complete on 11/4? The letter was dated 11/8, so I'm a little concerned by the "noticed that you haven't applied" bit. :|

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby thederangedwang » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:00 pm

mmkitkat wrote:Should I be concerned that I got this letter even though I applied on 10/31, got the received e-mail 11/2, and went complete on 11/4? The letter was dated 11/8, so I'm a little concerned by the "noticed that you haven't applied" bit. :|

i just got the letter, same situation as u...dont worry im pretty sure, as long as u have recieved the app complete email i think we r fine

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby MumofCad » Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:20 pm

addy11 wrote:
MumofCad wrote:(disclaimer: clearly I have spoken with far too many people who recently graduated from or are attending Yale Law, sigh, must resolve to stop having conversations with them about law school until at least April).


Are they super into it? I work with a lot of people who went there 10-25 years ago, and they liked it but couldn't comment upon it now.

I know three kids in the Class of 2014, but they give sort of obscure or canned answers.


Funny, all my friends loved it. I've just been warned repeatedly that at first, it can be a little eye-opening, especially for those accustomed to being a special snowflake. Everyone is very accomplished and successful, is juggling multiple interests and activities, and is frankly an equal (or superior).

For me, the biggest difference that I hear between my friends who have recently graduated from Harvard and Yale is that Yale still allows you a lot of room to pursue your passions and interests outside of the law school. Harvard is pretty consuming, though most of my friends seem to agree that they've generally taken much of the pressure that previously existed away with the HP/P system, as most graduates end up with some combination of those and thus it is hard to tell precisely where you fall unless you are at the very top or very bottom. With Yale, I get the sense that this sort of thing is farther removed from the consciousness of the students. They are really pursuing their interests through law school, developing relationships that will help them do so both among their classmates and professors, etc. I think there is a confidence that the material will be mastered to the extent needed and can thus be explored more deeply in relation to what piques the interest of the particular person.

Actually, my first job straight out of UG was working on a campaign job during the 2004 Presidential election. My boss at the time was on leave from Yale Law after his 1L year for the duration of the campaign. I am sure there are people at Harvard that do that too, but I think the type of person who feels they can leave law school for a year because of a pressing opportunity is much more typical to find at Yale than at Harvard. He was probably the first to plant the Yale Law bug in me, because I certainly didn't grow up with many Yalies around...or any for that matter.

In the end, I think there are great reasons to go to either Harvard or Yale, but I do think there are important differences between them that talking with their respective student bodies draw out. I know I could be really happy at either, but the reasons are very different for me personally in why (ie. Harvard has a Professor that it has long been my dream to learn from as she is the only person I know that has devoted her career to the type of advocacy and law that I am going to law school to pursue. A true kindred spirit).

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby spek » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:05 pm

Wait, I'm confused. Are people receiving fee waivers or solely a letter of invitation?

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby WhiteGuy5 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:12 pm

spek wrote:Wait, I'm confused. Are people receiving fee waivers or solely a letter of invitation?


I got a fee-waiver application...not a fee-waiver. And I'm not sure how they would send you a fee-waiver without an app, it's not merit-based.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby WhiteGuy5 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:13 pm

MumofCad wrote:
addy11 wrote:
MumofCad wrote:(disclaimer: clearly I have spoken with far too many people who recently graduated from or are attending Yale Law, sigh, must resolve to stop having conversations with them about law school until at least April).


Are they super into it? I work with a lot of people who went there 10-25 years ago, and they liked it but couldn't comment upon it now.

I know three kids in the Class of 2014, but they give sort of obscure or canned answers.


Funny, all my friends loved it. I've just been warned repeatedly that at first, it can be a little eye-opening, especially for those accustomed to being a special snowflake. Everyone is very accomplished and successful, is juggling multiple interests and activities, and is frankly an equal (or superior).

For me, the biggest difference that I hear between my friends who have recently graduated from Harvard and Yale is that Yale still allows you a lot of room to pursue your passions and interests outside of the law school. Harvard is pretty consuming, though most of my friends seem to agree that they've generally taken much of the pressure that previously existed away with the HP/P system, as most graduates end up with some combination of those and thus it is hard to tell precisely where you fall unless you are at the very top or very bottom. With Yale, I get the sense that this sort of thing is farther removed from the consciousness of the students. They are really pursuing their interests through law school, developing relationships that will help them do so both among their classmates and professors, etc. I think there is a confidence that the material will be mastered to the extent needed and can thus be explored more deeply in relation to what piques the interest of the particular person.

Actually, my first job straight out of UG was working on a campaign job during the 2004 Presidential election. My boss at the time was on leave from Yale Law after his 1L year for the duration of the campaign. I am sure there are people at Harvard that do that too, but I think the type of person who feels they can leave law school for a year because of a pressing opportunity is much more typical to find at Yale than at Harvard. He was probably the first to plant the Yale Law bug in me, because I certainly didn't grow up with many Yalies around...or any for that matter.

In the end, I think there are great reasons to go to either Harvard or Yale, but I do think there are important differences between them that talking with their respective student bodies draw out. I know I could be really happy at either, but the reasons are very different for me personally in why (ie. Harvard has a Professor that it has long been my dream to learn from as she is the only person I know that has devoted her career to the type of advocacy and law that I am going to law school to pursue. A true kindred spirit).


lol

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby spek » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:40 pm

WhiteGuy5 wrote:
spek wrote:Wait, I'm confused. Are people receiving fee waivers or solely a letter of invitation?


I got a fee-waiver application...not a fee-waiver. And I'm not sure how they would send you a fee-waiver without an app, it's not merit-based.


Hence my confusion. Thanks for clarifying.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby abitaman6363 » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:48 pm

MumofCad wrote:
addy11 wrote:
MumofCad wrote:(disclaimer: clearly I have spoken with far too many people who recently graduated from or are attending Yale Law, sigh, must resolve to stop having conversations with them about law school until at least April).


Are they super into it? I work with a lot of people who went there 10-25 years ago, and they liked it but couldn't comment upon it now.

I know three kids in the Class of 2014, but they give sort of obscure or canned answers.


Funny, all my friends loved it. I've just been warned repeatedly that at first, it can be a little eye-opening, especially for those accustomed to being a special snowflake. Everyone is very accomplished and successful, is juggling multiple interests and activities, and is frankly an equal (or superior).

For me, the biggest difference that I hear between my friends who have recently graduated from Harvard and Yale is that Yale still allows you a lot of room to pursue your passions and interests outside of the law school. Harvard is pretty consuming, though most of my friends seem to agree that they've generally taken much of the pressure that previously existed away with the HP/P system, as most graduates end up with some combination of those and thus it is hard to tell precisely where you fall unless you are at the very top or very bottom. With Yale, I get the sense that this sort of thing is farther removed from the consciousness of the students. They are really pursuing their interests through law school, developing relationships that will help them do so both among their classmates and professors, etc. I think there is a confidence that the material will be mastered to the extent needed and can thus be explored more deeply in relation to what piques the interest of the particular person.

Actually, my first job straight out of UG was working on a campaign job during the 2004 Presidential election. My boss at the time was on leave from Yale Law after his 1L year for the duration of the campaign. I am sure there are people at Harvard that do that too, but I think the type of person who feels they can leave law school for a year because of a pressing opportunity is much more typical to find at Yale than at Harvard. He was probably the first to plant the Yale Law bug in me, because I certainly didn't grow up with many Yalies around...or any for that matter.

In the end, I think there are great reasons to go to either Harvard or Yale, but I do think there are important differences between them that talking with their respective student bodies draw out. I know I could be really happy at either, but the reasons are very different for me personally in why (ie. Harvard has a Professor that it has long been my dream to learn from as she is the only person I know that has devoted her career to the type of advocacy and law that I am going to law school to pursue. A true kindred spirit).


Had a little bit of time after just completing my first brief (woo hoo!) and wanted to comment on this. I read TLS's bio on Yale not too long ago and remember a quote comparing YLS to a screwdriver (which I hope you're all familiar with): "it is the easiest way to swallow something you don't really want." My time here has definitely confirmed this.

Perhaps the biggest hurdle I have had to overcome here isn't the hefty amount of reading (try to keep up, learn what you love, and you'll be fine); the pressures of the impending summer job search (our Career Development Office simply kicks butt!); or dealing with the weather (it snowed here already and back home my friends are still lounging by the pool!). Rather, it is learning that you are truly and utterly given free reign to discover your passions and pursue them. Now, that is of course a great thing! However, it has forced me to come to grips with the fact that I don't wholly know what career path I want to take.

For all my life (and probably for a lot of you applying here) success has been marked by grades, professor accolades, and overcoming competition. Here, that just does not exist. Competition is as scarce as possible. So you are left to invent your own criterion of success. The administration will support you in any way possible, but you have to come up with your passion.

I understand that all of this is quite cliche, but I promise that those of you who come here will quickly understand what I mean.

If anyone has general questions about the law school, please feel free to PM me or post on the forum. I am more than happy to speak to both the positives and negatives of my experiences so far, and I am sure several other YLS students are willing to chime in.

Good luck in the coming weeks and months! I know it is a stressful time but sit back and enjoy the ride. I promise you the worrying won't help : )

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby instantwonton » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:58 pm

Thanks for the insight! Really appreciate you sharing that with us! :)

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby TheFriendlyBarber » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:32 am

fingerscrossedxx wrote:
Hawkeye Pierce wrote:
TheFriendlyBarber wrote:
fingerscrossedxx wrote:Does it mean you'll take me Yale? The fact that you took the time out of your day to send me a view book and a letter encouraging me to apply must mean you might take me right?

please take me...


It's a good sign.

It means you have something they're looking for and they will likely give your materials more than just a cursory review.


Lol, not really.


Haha yeah, not at all really.


Yeah, probably not.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby FryBreadPower » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:56 am

tagged. Hoping to have my app in by Thanksgiving.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby MumofCad » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:15 am

WhiteGuy5 wrote:
lol


Hahaha - yes, I meant in the context of choosing between them. Obviously there are great reasons in the abstract :)

And yes, thanks to the YLS students for chiming in. Obviously I am relating secondhand my impressions and its always nice to hear something from the horse's mouth. Your impression seems exactly to coincide with my friends' accounts.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby icpb » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:21 am

Where should applicants put their published academic papers, other than on the resume?

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:14 am

icpb wrote:Where should applicants put their published academic papers, other than on the resume?

I listed them in the Activities and Work attachment, under the 'Other Significant Activities' heading.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby kulshan » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:54 pm

AntipodeanPhil wrote:
icpb wrote:Where should applicants put their published academic papers, other than on the resume?

I listed them in the Activities and Work attachment, under the 'Other Significant Activities' heading.


+1

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby yoiav » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:41 am

is there something wrong with my 250 being only 225 words? would they look at it as if i am squandering the opportunity to say more?

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby MumofCad » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:53 am

yoiav wrote:is there something wrong with my 250 being only 225 words? would they look at it as if i am squandering the opportunity to say more?


No, if its complete, there is no problem with that.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Elston Gunn » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:03 am

mmkitkat wrote:Should I be concerned that I got this letter even though I applied on 10/31, got the received e-mail 11/2, and went complete on 11/4? The letter was dated 11/8, so I'm a little concerned by the "noticed that you haven't applied" bit. :|


I didn't get the diversity one, but I had almost the same timeline, and got a viewbook with a letter last week. I had gotten an identical email about a week before, and then applied in between, so I think they probably just gave someone in the admissions office a list, had them printed out, and didn't check whether the person had applied in the interim. I wouldn't worry.

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby MumofCad » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:23 am

Got a confirmation that my educational information will be added to my file, so I guess Yahoo has solved the problem since it came to my inbox clearly labelled "Yale Law School Admissions"

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby pineappledazzler » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:44 am

I'm still working on the 250 but got my other apps in finally - for Yale though it doesn't seem like a submission before Thanksgiving versus before Christmas really helps all that much?

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby thederangedwang » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:00 pm

MumofCad wrote:
yoiav wrote:is there something wrong with my 250 being only 225 words? would they look at it as if i am squandering the opportunity to say more?


No, if its complete, there is no problem with that.

+1, mine is only 230

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Re: Yale c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby addy11 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:35 pm

kulshan wrote:
AntipodeanPhil wrote:
icpb wrote:Where should applicants put their published academic papers, other than on the resume?

I listed them in the Activities and Work attachment, under the 'Other Significant Activities' heading.


+1


-1 :wink:

Oh Yale. I'm in way over my head.




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