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<3dakure wrote:I love you for this.Xifeng wrote: tl;dr: TLS is not fight club.
Welcome to the real world. You simply cannot say whatever you like in a public forum. Consequences are reality. Lawyers don't post anything online they don't want attributed to them.Nikrall wrote:
Yes. People here should be able to post pretty much whatever they like without consequences. Maybe not something that shows a gross lack of judgment, but posting that Michigan changed his award because of a change in his GPA doesn't show a gross lack of judgment. And note that username then went on to defend Michigan and offer explanations for their conduct although, if it were true, it would have been ridiculous. You people are 0L's. And even once y'all are lawyers, you can say pretty much whatever you want on anonymous message-boards.
Describing how a school acts will, at times, show that school in a bad light. If any school were to penalize me because I dared to speak out about something they did (even if I was, in fact, mistaken) then its a school I would have no interest in attending. That being said, Dean Z hasn't shown she wants to penalize username. Nor has she said he was wrong in what he said, merely that they are trying to figure out what happened with his award and are reaching out to him.
As to why username apologized? Probably because he thinks all of this is overblow and is a fairly nice person. The easiest way to defuse a situation like this is just to apologize profusely, regardless of whether he is correct or incorrect in this particular situation.
They're not anonymous, that's why there's an "anonymous" button in the employment forum. So your posts can ACTUALLY be anonymousNikrall wrote:Yes. People here should be able to post pretty much whatever they like without consequences. Maybe not something that shows a gross lack of judgment, but posting that Michigan changed his award because of a change in his GPA doesn't show a gross lack of judgment. And note that username then went on to defend Michigan and offer explanations for their conduct although, if it were true, it would have been ridiculous. You people are 0L's. And even once y'all are lawyers, you can say pretty much whatever you want on anonymous message-boards.
WAIT UNTIL YOU GET THE LETTER IN THE MAIL.va323 wrote:Sorry, I know somebody already asked this but I couldn't find the post - if you see an amount in your financial aid section of the ASW, is that per year or total?
This. Posting under a pseudonym is not anonymity.Xifeng wrote:They're not anonymous, that's why there's an "anonymous" button in the employment forum. So your posts can ACTUALLY be anonymousNikrall wrote:Yes. People here should be able to post pretty much whatever they like without consequences. Maybe not something that shows a gross lack of judgment, but posting that Michigan changed his award because of a change in his GPA doesn't show a gross lack of judgment. And note that username then went on to defend Michigan and offer explanations for their conduct although, if it were true, it would have been ridiculous. You people are 0L's. And even once y'all are lawyers, you can say pretty much whatever you want on anonymous message-boards.
Well, for one, we aren't in the employment forum...blowhard wrote:This. Posting under a pseudonym is not anonymity.Xifeng wrote:They're not anonymous, that's why there's an "anonymous" button in the employment forum. So your posts can ACTUALLY be anonymousNikrall wrote:Yes. People here should be able to post pretty much whatever they like without consequences. Maybe not something that shows a gross lack of judgment, but posting that Michigan changed his award because of a change in his GPA doesn't show a gross lack of judgment. And note that username then went on to defend Michigan and offer explanations for their conduct although, if it were true, it would have been ridiculous. You people are 0L's. And even once y'all are lawyers, you can say pretty much whatever you want on anonymous message-boards.
Just ...yes. So posts here are not anonymous.Samara wrote:Well, for one, we aren't in the employment forum...blowhard wrote:This. Posting under a pseudonym is not anonymity.Xifeng wrote:They're not anonymous, that's why there's an "anonymous" button in the employment forum. So your posts can ACTUALLY be anonymousNikrall wrote:Yes. People here should be able to post pretty much whatever they like without consequences. Maybe not something that shows a gross lack of judgment, but posting that Michigan changed his award because of a change in his GPA doesn't show a gross lack of judgment. And note that username then went on to defend Michigan and offer explanations for their conduct although, if it were true, it would have been ridiculous. You people are 0L's. And even once y'all are lawyers, you can say pretty much whatever you want on anonymous message-boards.
It's the projected amount per year, subject to change--the final amount will be sent to you in a letter.va323 wrote:Sorry, I know somebody already asked this but I couldn't find the post - if you see an amount in your financial aid section of the ASW, is that per year or total?
Lawyers post stupid stuff online all the time. Although we are cautious by training, that doesn't mean that we don't trust the anonymity of message boards which are actually anonymous if you know how to protect your information. TLS IS anonymous....its just not (obviously) if you post personal identifying information.blowhard wrote:Welcome to the real world. You simply cannot say whatever you like in a public forum. Consequences are reality. Lawyers don't post anything online they don't want attributed to them.Nikrall wrote:
Yes. People here should be able to post pretty much whatever they like without consequences. Maybe not something that shows a gross lack of judgment, but posting that Michigan changed his award because of a change in his GPA doesn't show a gross lack of judgment. And note that username then went on to defend Michigan and offer explanations for their conduct although, if it were true, it would have been ridiculous. You people are 0L's. And even once y'all are lawyers, you can say pretty much whatever you want on anonymous message-boards.
Describing how a school acts will, at times, show that school in a bad light. If any school were to penalize me because I dared to speak out about something they did (even if I was, in fact, mistaken) then its a school I would have no interest in attending. That being said, Dean Z hasn't shown she wants to penalize username. Nor has she said he was wrong in what he said, merely that they are trying to figure out what happened with his award and are reaching out to him.
As to why username apologized? Probably because he thinks all of this is overblow and is a fairly nice person. The easiest way to defuse a situation like this is just to apologize profusely, regardless of whether he is correct or incorrect in this particular situation.
I'd think much less of a school that did something so sleazy as would plenty of others.
It's more about the fact that TLS was used to out someone to a dean and that she publicly acknowledge doing so and addressed the specific case, at least to a certain extent. TLS should not be used to start witch hunts.blowhard wrote:She didn't post the name or on any details. What part of her response do you take issue with? How would you link what she said to a fellow classmate?Samara wrote:I have no problem with addressing a false claim. But it should have been handled with a little more discretion, IMO. She can address the situation by talking about their policy without discussing the specific case.blowhard wrote:No one said username was being malicious. But even mistaken facts affect a school's reputation and should be corrected. I don't agree with posting it on her blog...I would have handled it differently. But, a similar circumstance last year resulted in a mini-riot after someone claimed the admissions office was rude to them on the phone. This then crossed to other sites, resulted in applicants calling the school, etc. These things need to be corrected.
That's great. You see my tar? I've had my dog recognized in the dog park. I've had fellow students figure out who I was simply based upon posting about something that happened in school. People I have never met have said, "oh you're the guy from TLS with the dog!" You are not anonymous in any sense of the word. More importantly, you shouldn't post anything publicly, anywhere, you don't want classmates and employers to read. Even FB...you can set private but FB has been rumored to sell access to employer's to see past that.Samara wrote:Well, for one, we aren't in the employment forum...blowhard wrote:This. Posting under a pseudonym is not anonymity.Xifeng wrote:They're not anonymous, that's why there's an "anonymous" button in the employment forum. So your posts can ACTUALLY be anonymousNikrall wrote:Yes. People here should be able to post pretty much whatever they like without consequences. Maybe not something that shows a gross lack of judgment, but posting that Michigan changed his award because of a change in his GPA doesn't show a gross lack of judgment. And note that username then went on to defend Michigan and offer explanations for their conduct although, if it were true, it would have been ridiculous. You people are 0L's. And even once y'all are lawyers, you can say pretty much whatever you want on anonymous message-boards.
They aren't anonymous....if you post identifying information. The reason there is an anonymous button in the employment forum is to give people a chance to post identifying information here AND post things they would rather be anonymous for (since having more than one TLS account is a bannable offense)Xifeng wrote:They're not anonymous, that's why there's an "anonymous" button in the employment forum. So your posts can ACTUALLY be anonymousNikrall wrote:Yes. People here should be able to post pretty much whatever they like without consequences. Maybe not something that shows a gross lack of judgment, but posting that Michigan changed his award because of a change in his GPA doesn't show a gross lack of judgment. And note that username then went on to defend Michigan and offer explanations for their conduct although, if it were true, it would have been ridiculous. You people are 0L's. And even once y'all are lawyers, you can say pretty much whatever you want on anonymous message-boards.
Right. And there is no anonymous posting option. Thus, people should play nice and not out people to adcomms and whatnot. You should also presume that people are not going to play nice and you shouldn't post stuff you don't want other people to know, but how does that absolve someone of the outing?Xifeng wrote:...yes. So posts here are not anonymous.Samara wrote:Well, for one, we aren't in the employment forum...blowhard wrote:This. Posting under a pseudonym is not anonymity.Xifeng wrote:They're not anonymous, that's why there's an "anonymous" button in the employment forum. So your posts can ACTUALLY be anonymous
Once again, I think the outing was wrong. I would have clarified with the school and then clarified in here. They would have only known I, a current student, needed information to settle a dispute. Not outing people is the very reason current students serve as go-betweens to resolve issues people don't want to bring up themselves.Samara wrote: Right. And there is no anonymous posting option. Thus, people should play nice and not out people to adcomms and whatnot. You should also presume that people are not going to play nice and you shouldn't post stuff you don't want other people to know, but how does that absolve someone of the outing?
So, if you agree that the outing was wrong, what is your beef with my criticism?blowhard wrote:Once again, I think the outing was wrong. I would have clarified with the school and then clarified in here. They would have only known I, a current student, needed information to settle a dispute.Samara wrote: Right. And there is no anonymous posting option. Thus, people should play nice and not out people to adcomms and whatnot. You should also presume that people are not going to play nice and you shouldn't post stuff you don't want other people to know, but how does that absolve someone of the outing?
Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. I suppose I could just go check LSN...paul34 wrote:Right - any guesses on when WL start rolling out in large numbers? I wonder if that's why I am complete, day after day.(I did receive the e-mail).
Obviously, TLS is not anonymous. But there is a certain level of semi-anonymity and actions that degrade that semi-anonymity publicly should be discouraged. Which is why we are generally against outing.blowhard wrote:Because while I think the outing was wrong in this case, I think defending any claim TLS is anonymous is ridiculous. Wrong or right, shit like this happens and people should comport themselves accordingly.Samara wrote:So, if you agree that the outing was wrong, what is your beef with my criticism?blowhard wrote:Once again, I think the outing was wrong. I would have clarified with the school and then clarified in here. They would have only known I, a current student, needed information to settle a dispute.Samara wrote: Right. And there is no anonymous posting option. Thus, people should play nice and not out people to adcomms and whatnot. You should also presume that people are not going to play nice and you shouldn't post stuff you don't want other people to know, but how does that absolve someone of the outing?
