Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby JoeMo » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:28 pm

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby hyakku » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:28 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
username08 wrote:My LSDAS GPA dropped .01 and Michigan reduced my scholarship from $67,500 to $54,000.

Ouch...that kind of stings.


You sure about that?

https://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=83

Read the last comment.


Wow, it's pretty messed up someone on TLS that isn't the guy ran and got involved in his application process and got him outed. I know some people are gunnerish, but this is a new level of WTFuckery. Sorry username, someone obviously cares more about michigans name (which I don't think he was even trash talking, just ruminating) than about an actual persons potential future. I understand they may have been curious but he wasn't even really given a chance to contact them.

Oh and Z that was my devilishly handsome alter ago typing those angry words. I'm still checking from word from you every hour.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby JoeMo » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:30 pm

Nelson wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
username08 wrote:My LSDAS GPA dropped .01 and Michigan reduced my scholarship from $67,500 to $54,000.

Ouch...that kind of stings.


You sure about that?

https://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=83

Read the last comment.

Nice work calling someone out to an adcomm. Michigan trolls continue to be the most unpleasant people on TLS.


This, so much this and so sad.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby UnamSanctam » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:30 pm

Nelson wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
username08 wrote:My LSDAS GPA dropped .01 and Michigan reduced my scholarship from $67,500 to $54,000.

Ouch...that kind of stings.


You sure about that?

https://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=83

Read the last comment.

Nice work calling someone out to an adcomm. Michigan trolls continue to be the most unpleasant people on TLS.


You do realize that the poster claimed on TLS, before emailing or calling admissions, that Michigan reduced his/her financial aid package by 13.5k because his/her LSDAS GPA dropped .01, right? As that sort of claim paints Michigan in a negative light (ETA: probably unintentionally), I'm sure you can understand how drawing attention to Dean Z's personal response to the claim is probably the most appropriate course of action.


ETA: Unless you're saying that the comment on Dean Z's blog was the "calling out." If that's the case, then I completely agree that the post on her blog was inappropriate.
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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby foxylaxy » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:31 pm

speakeasier wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but scholarship info comes out around 2 weeks after the acceptance, right? Or is it 2 weeks after we get the letter in the mail? It's been 9 days since my status checker changed and it still says "zero awards found." I'm 170/3.55...I feel pretty lucky to even have gotten into Michigan, so what do you guys think about my scholarship chances?


I am close to your numbers 171/3.52 with 45k scholarship. I applied mid Sept and was accepted mid Nov.
I think you still have a chance :lol:
I spent most of my undergrad in leadership positions-I think it may have had a bearing on the amount of scholarship I received.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby FryBreadPower » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:32 pm

It is poor form by whoever shared the information, but if Michigan Adcomms are as present on this board as we think they are, wouldn't they have figured this out on their own anyways?

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:33 pm

Nelson wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
username08 wrote:My LSDAS GPA dropped .01 and Michigan reduced my scholarship from $67,500 to $54,000.

Ouch...that kind of stings.


You sure about that?

https://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=83

Read the last comment.

Nice work calling someone out to an adcomm. Michigan trolls continue to be the most unpleasant people on TLS.


TBF, the poster outed themselves by posting very specific information that could only relate to themselves on TLS. If you think someone is trolling Michigan, please msg either myself or another current student. Had I seen it, I would have emailed Dean Z and asked her in general terms if they decrease aid after awarding it. Doing it on her blog is not appropriate.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Nelson » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:35 pm

JoeMo wrote:
Nelson wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
username08 wrote:My LSDAS GPA dropped .01 and Michigan reduced my scholarship from $67,500 to $54,000.

Ouch...that kind of stings.


You sure about that?

https://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=83

Read the last comment.

Nice work calling someone out to an adcomm. Michigan trolls continue to be the most unpleasant people on TLS.


This, so much this and so sad.

My post was mostly referring to the bizarre cult of Dean Zearfoss that goes on around here. It's pretty obvious who outed the guy to Michigan and I think it's gross. It works against the purpose of TLS if people can't be honest here because they need to worry about other 0Ls running to admissions deans. If adcomms want to lurk these threads, that's one thing (though maybe Michigan would get its decisions out faster if they spent more time reading apps and less time reading TLS).

Edited for typo.
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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:36 pm

Shit... now I feel bad for posting that link... I posted the link before Dean Z posted her breaking news, so I was just trying to link to the part where they say they won't lower an award and for the person to contact her.

What I don't understand is why the compelled TLSer didn't just email Dean Z directly, rather than post on her blog...

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:38 pm

Nelson wrote:My post was mostly referring to the bizarre cult of Dean Zearfoss that goes on around here. It's pretty obvious who outed the guy to Michigan and I think it's gross. It works against the purpose of TLS if people can't be honest here because they need to worry about other 0Ls running to admissions deans. If adcomms want to lurk these threads, that's one thing (though maybe Michigan would get it's decisions out faster if they spent more time reading apps and less time reading TLS).


Dean Z doesn't lurk. Current students bring things to their attention when appropriate. E.g. Last year when a mini riot started on here over a troll. In this case, the trolling wasn't so obvious I would have outed the person. I would have emailed her in general terms and then called out the person myself.

Calling their attention to everything defeats the purpose. Some discretion is needed.
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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby MachineLemon » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:39 pm

MikeTheWilliams wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:MikeTheWilliams: Yes. I was referring to the fact that, for reporting purposes (to the ABA, specifically), the GPA is rounded to one decimal place. So, a 3.75 and a 3.84 both get reported as 3.8.


Ah, I see the distinction now. Thanks!


Any source for this? It seems that schools generally have an unrounded cut-off on LSN. That is, they don't treat a 3.67 like a 3.70.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:39 pm

FryBreadPower wrote:It is poor form by whoever shared the information, but if Michigan Adcomms are as present on this board as we think they are, wouldn't they have figured this out on their own anyways?


I thought Dean Z had mentioned in a recent blog post that she doesn't use social media sights to research applicants or visit message boards like TLS. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure she said something like that.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:40 pm

MachineLemon wrote:
MikeTheWilliams wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:MikeTheWilliams: Yes. I was referring to the fact that, for reporting purposes (to the ABA, specifically), the GPA is rounded to one decimal place. So, a 3.75 and a 3.84 both get reported as 3.8.


Ah, I see the distinction now. Thanks!


Any source for this? It seems that schools generally have an unrounded cut-off on LSN. That is, they don't treat a 3.67 like a 3.70.


The ABA report on U of Illinois after the Dean Pless scandal. They clearly stated that they round to one decimal in reporting and that the errors found in the U of Illinois scandal were much more than pure rounding errors.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:41 pm

Dude gets scholly reduced after grade drop. Dude posts that info in the thread for applicants. Makes sense to me.

It's a unique situation but to the average applicant it may not seem so out of the ordinary that it's worth investigating before posting to TLS.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby UnamSanctam » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:41 pm

Nelson wrote:It's pretty obvious who outed the guy to Michigan and I think it's gross.


I just read back through the past few pages of the thread. Nobody sticks out as the sort of person that would call out a TLSer to Dean Z on her blog. But then, it's not the first time I've overlooked how malicious people can be.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby KevinP » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:44 pm

Still complete for Michigan. I'm guessing a waitlist at this point.

ScrabbleChamp wrote:The ABA report on U of Illinois after the Dean Pless scandal. They clearly stated that they round to one decimal in reporting and that the errors found in the U of Illinois scandal were much more than pure rounding errors.

It actually depends on the school. For example, Northwestern and Illinois round when reporting the GPA data. Michigan does not.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:48 pm

What appears to get lost in this whole shuffle, and maybe I just overlooked it, is how Dean Z stated the TLSer's file is still being processed by financial aid. If that's the case, how would username08 even have been able to see an amount on the ASW? I don't know when username08 was admitted, but from reading back through the posts today, it seems like he/she had that information (the scholarship) for awhile, given that he/she was afraid fall grades may lower the amount. How did username08 see the amount if the file was still being processed by financial aid?

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby cactuarX3 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:49 pm

Very sorry to hear about the trolling/calling out business, but with that said, this has made my otherwise dull day very interesting indeed...

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:49 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:What appears to get lost in this whole shuffle, and maybe I just overlooked it, is how Dean Z stated the TLSer's file is still being processed by financial aid. If that's the case, how would username08 even have been able to see an amount on the ASW? I don't know when username08 was admitted, but from reading back through the posts today, it seems like he/she had that information (the scholarship) for awhile, given that he/she was afraid fall grades may lower the amount. How did username08 see the amount if the file was still being processed by financial aid?


Maybe this is the danger of looking online before a letter is mailed? Not positive, but if it's going to change I'd guess it would be before a letter was mailed.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby username08 » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:51 pm

Okay, I was the one who made the stupid post and I'm here to apologize. This issue was 100% my fault and I am so sorry to Dean Z, everyone at Michigan Law, and everyone on TLS. I was immature and flat-out wrong. I'm typing up an apology and an explanation right now that I'll substitute with this message ASAP. I apologize for this whole fiasco and I deserve all the blame.

EDIT: Sorry, I guess I should have clarified. I didn't write the post on Dean Z's blog but I was the .01 guy.
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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby JoeMo » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:52 pm

username08 wrote:Okay, I was the one who made the stupid post and I'm here to apologize. This issue was 100% my fault and I am so sorry to Dean Z, everyone at Michigan Law, and everyone on TLS. I was immature and flat-out wrong. I'm typing up an apology and an explanation right now that I'll substitute with this message ASAP. I apologize for this whole fiasco and I deserve all the blame.


Wait, you outed yourself? WTF!

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Tiago Splitter » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:53 pm

The intrigue builds...

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby crooked » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:53 pm

JoeMo wrote:
username08 wrote:Okay, I was the one who made the stupid post and I'm here to apologize. This issue was 100% my fault and I am so sorry to Dean Z, everyone at Michigan Law, and everyone on TLS. I was immature and flat-out wrong. I'm typing up an apology and an explanation right now that I'll substitute with this message ASAP. I apologize for this whole fiasco and I deserve all the blame.


Wait, you outed yourself? WTF!


I think he's saying that he was at fault for claiming Michigan reduced his scholarship (possibly wrongly).

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby aekea » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:54 pm

JoeMo wrote:
username08 wrote:Okay, I was the one who made the stupid post and I'm here to apologize. This issue was 100% my fault and I am so sorry to Dean Z, everyone at Michigan Law, and everyone on TLS. I was immature and flat-out wrong. I'm typing up an apology and an explanation right now that I'll substitute with this message ASAP. I apologize for this whole fiasco and I deserve all the blame.


Wait, you outed yourself? WTF!


I think he means the original post. Not the comment on Dean Z's blog. Maybe?

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Moriarty » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:55 pm

foxylaxy wrote:
speakeasier wrote:Not to beat a dead horse, but scholarship info comes out around 2 weeks after the acceptance, right? Or is it 2 weeks after we get the letter in the mail? It's been 9 days since my status checker changed and it still says "zero awards found." I'm 170/3.55...I feel pretty lucky to even have gotten into Michigan, so what do you guys think about my scholarship chances?


I am close to your numbers 171/3.52 with 45k scholarship. I applied mid Sept and was accepted mid Nov.
I think you still have a chance :lol:
I spent most of my undergrad in leadership positions-I think it may have had a bearing on the amount of scholarship I received.


This got lost in all the hullabaloo, but thanks for posting something helpful and positive. :D (Such are often few and far between...)




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