Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Campagnolo » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:14 pm

I'm so happy!

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Strange » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:21 pm

I have to say getting Michigan's "special" status checker three weeks after the getting them from all the other schools does kind of give the M its own charm. Marketing strategy? :D

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby wendys27 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:29 pm

Status Checker today. Applied 11/14

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby JoeMo » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:48 pm

Y'all are insane about getting/not getting this status checker. LOL

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby vincanity1 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:50 pm

JoeMo wrote:Y'all are insane about getting/not getting this status checker. LOL


Agreed.

Who wants to trade the status checker I've had reading complete for like 3 months for your acceptance?

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby addy11 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:25 pm

I wanted to give Michigan the benefit of the doubt and hope they weren't YPing or postponing admissions for people due to their high scores, but LSN doesn't really support that.


These are the (non-URM) people who are 174+ and 3.7+:

24 Pending: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =8&type=jd

6 Admitted: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd


These are the (non-URM) people who are 168-170, 3.5-3.8:

25 Pending: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =8&type=jd

14 Admitted (2 are ED): http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd


If you exclude the two ED people, the proportion of acceptances is double for the people who have much lower scores. It also seems like they have the same mix of complete dates.

I have to say I'm saddened/disappointed. This doesn't seem random.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby DonnaDraper » Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:43 pm

Applied 11/15 and no status checker :-( Will give it until Monday, and then I will call.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby thelaststraw05 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:46 pm

addy11 wrote:I wanted to give Michigan the benefit of the doubt and hope they weren't YPing or postponing admissions for people due to their high scores, but LSN doesn't really support that.


These are the (non-URM) people who are 174+ and 3.7+:

24 Pending: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =8&type=jd

6 Admitted: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd


These are the (non-URM) people who are 168-170, 3.5-3.8:

25 Pending: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =8&type=jd

14 Admitted (2 are ED): http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd


If you exclude the two ED people, the proportion of acceptances is double for the people who have much lower scores. It also seems like they have the same mix of complete dates.

I have to say I'm saddened/disappointed. This doesn't seem random.


Examine instead the last couple years of data. You'll have data sets where the process is complete. YP is rejecting or waitlisting top applicants to improve yield. Typically the graph at the end of the year would look something like this: http://american.lawschoolnumbers.com/st ... Cycle=0607

I would contrast that with Michigan's graph from last year: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/st ... Cycle=0607

Taking a look at a snapshot in time today really isn't illuminating.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby curiouscat » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:01 pm

Agreed, that's a pretty small sample size - really only a handful of people with a very marginal difference (6 vs. 12). Not that it hasn't crossed my mind (I've been waiting for a while with >75%ile numbers and lots of red text, so I'm eager to latch onto any explanation I can get my paws on), but I don't know if we've got enough data there to come to any conclusions.

At the same time, graphs don't tell the whole story - they just show who's been admitted, not how quickly the decision was made. I think Addy's suggesting that Mich is delaying acceptances for people with higher numbers (perhaps looking to see if they would withdraw), rather than outright rejecting/waitlisting them. Soft YPing, in a way. I guess if someone were really interested, they can look at the applicant charts on LSN for the past couple of years and see if that pattern held - if people with higher numbers typically got decisions later than those in the slightly lower range.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby PopTorts13 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:07 pm

DonnaDraper wrote:Applied 11/15 and no status checker :-( Will give it until Monday, and then I will call.


The e-mail we received said, "You will receive an email from our office in 3-4 weeks with your University of Michigan ID Number and the URL to our Online Status Checker."

Lets not get too antsy here
:wink:

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Aqualung » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:15 pm

Checking in.
I applied on 11/8 RD and received my status checker today. So, they do take a while. Good luck to all.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby DonnaDraper » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:16 pm

PopTorts13 wrote:
DonnaDraper wrote:Applied 11/15 and no status checker :-( Will give it until Monday, and then I will call.


The e-mail we received said, "You will receive an email from our office in 3-4 weeks with your University of Michigan ID Number and the URL to our Online Status Checker."

Lets not get too antsy here
:wink:


It will be 4 weeks for me on the 13th. Said I would call on the 12th. I am not being THAT unreasonable.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Zelda » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:18 pm

curiouscat wrote:Agreed, that's a pretty small sample size - really only a handful of people with a very marginal difference (6 vs. 12). Not that it hasn't crossed my mind (I've been waiting for a while with >75%ile numbers and lots of red text, so I'm eager to latch onto any explanation I can get my paws on), but I don't know if we've got enough data there to come to any conclusions.

At the same time, graphs don't tell the whole story - they just show who's been admitted, not how quickly the decision was made. I think Addy's suggesting that Mich is delaying acceptances for people with higher numbers (perhaps looking to see if they would withdraw), rather than outright rejecting/waitlisting them. Soft YPing, in a way. I guess if someone were really interested, they can look at the applicant charts on LSN for the past couple of years and see if that pattern held - if people with higher numbers typically got decisions later than those in the slightly lower range.


I am waiting too :( . Maybe Michigan is waiting until Columbia/Chicago/NYU make decisions on EDs so that those people withdraw before they admit them? All I know is that this waiting is frustrating. I am so happy for everyone who has gotten in, but holding people with high numbers is pretty disappointing.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby otomihsoy » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:32 pm

wendys27 wrote:Status Checker today. Applied 11/14


+1

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby PopTorts13 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:45 pm

DonnaDraper wrote:
PopTorts13 wrote:
DonnaDraper wrote:Applied 11/15 and no status checker :-( Will give it until Monday, and then I will call.


The e-mail we received said, "You will receive an email from our office in 3-4 weeks with your University of Michigan ID Number and the URL to our Online Status Checker."

Lets not get too antsy here
:wink:


It will be 4 weeks for me on the 13th. Said I would call on the 12th. I am not being THAT unreasonable.


Shortly after 4 weeks time sounds reasonable especially considering the Thanksgiving holiday being within that time frame. My comment was playful and practical, no harm, no foul. Best of Luck regardless.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby lawschool899 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:46 pm

Submitted 11/12, just received status checker today!

now just 12 weeks for a decision :?

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby PopTorts13 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:51 pm

lawschool899 wrote:Submitted 11/12, just received status checker today!

now just 12 weeks for a decision :?


Best of luck. Hopefully your numbers will help reel in a sooner decision, very impressive!

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby luxxe » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:09 pm

Submitted 11/9, got my status checker today as well.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Take Two » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:12 pm

MICHIGAN PLEASE LOVE ME!

please.... :D

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:14 pm

Take Two wrote:MICHIGAN PLEASE LOVE ME!

please.... :D

+1

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby lawschool899 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:15 pm

PopTorts13 wrote:
lawschool899 wrote:Submitted 11/12, just received status checker today!

now just 12 weeks for a decision :?


Best of luck. Hopefully your numbers will help reel in a sooner decision, very impressive!


aw thanks! you too :)

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby tdicks » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:14 am

luxxe wrote:Submitted 11/9, got my status checker today as well.


me too! excited to finally get it, even if it will make me crazier than i was waiting for it. although i have made a promise to myself to not try to get into ASW until it says decision.... we'll see how long this lasts :)

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby lsatisevil » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:36 am

System Cannot open log for source 'LawRoles'. You may not have write access.

What does this mean? Just tried to login to Admitted Students Site.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby curiousgeorgia » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:06 am

lsatisevil wrote:System Cannot open log for source 'LawRoles'. You may not have write access.

What does this mean? Just tried to login to Admitted Students Site.


Try clicking on the "Current Students" link in the upper-right-hand corner. People who have had a similar message have gained access that way. Good luck!

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby MumofCad » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:27 am

addy11 wrote:I wanted to give Michigan the benefit of the doubt and hope they weren't YPing or postponing admissions for people due to their high scores, but LSN doesn't really support that.


These are the (non-URM) people who are 174+ and 3.7+:

24 Pending: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =8&type=jd

6 Admitted: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd


These are the (non-URM) people who are 168-170, 3.5-3.8:

25 Pending: http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =8&type=jd

14 Admitted (2 are ED): http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/ap ... =3&type=jd


If you exclude the two ED people, the proportion of acceptances is double for the people who have much lower scores. It also seems like they have the same mix of complete dates.

I have to say I'm saddened/disappointed. This doesn't seem random.


I would say that these are not representative numbers, but any school will have to do this to an extent. UVA has done the same, skimming off a select group of high scorers for early admission and holding the rest to see how things shape up. It'd be rather silly for them to delay their "target" admit decisions to try and let in a bunch of people unlikely to go to their school. A bunch of the "high number" waiters have already gotten into Harvard and more will get into Yale/Stanford in the coming weeks. Wasting resources on trying to pull them away versus trying to make sure you get enough splitters and what not to hold your medians would not be a winning strategy. Call it YP, but I think its probably just how they have to act to be successful at holding their spot.

Also people keep pointing to LSN to prove things about how many people have gotten in or applied this year versus last year - Just a word of caution in reading too much into LSN data at this stage: there is the fact that its not representative, but its all highly skewed at this early stage in the game. A good number of people will have their's set to private until the cycle is over.




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