Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ketchup » Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:33 pm

paul34 wrote:I wonder if I'm careening toward a January waitlist or rejection :(

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby addy11 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:33 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
addy11 wrote:I know, right? I'm fixating on all of the peccadilloes that might get me dinged, despite having >95% LSP chances: no thank you note for fee waiver? Not showing up to a prospective students conference I told them I'd go to? Writing a lackluster "Why Mich?"? A small correction I made to my application?

Oh, Michigan. How happy I'd be if you would just see fit to admit me!


Only two people on LSN have gotten in with an LSAT above 174. On the other side they have taken lots of people in the 168-169 range. It seems clear from this data that Michigan has made a conscious decision to focus on admitting people in the 168-174 range. Presumably these are the people who have matriculated in the past and they can better predict (protect?) their yield with appllicants in that LSAT range.

It also seems clear from the previous paragraph that I am searching for reasons why I have yet to be accepted :D


I like you :)

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:20 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
addy11 wrote:I know, right? I'm fixating on all of the peccadilloes that might get me dinged, despite having >95% LSP chances: no thank you note for fee waiver? Not showing up to a prospective students conference I told them I'd go to? Writing a lackluster "Why Mich?"? A small correction I made to my application?

Oh, Michigan. How happy I'd be if you would just see fit to admit me!


Only two people on LSN have gotten in with an LSAT above 174. On the other side they have taken lots of people in the 168-169 range. It seems clear from this data that Michigan has made a conscious decision to focus on admitting people in the 168-174 range. Presumably these are the people who have matriculated in the past and they can better predict (protect?) their yield with appllicants in that LSAT range.

It also seems clear from the previous paragraph that I am searching for reasons why I have yet to be accepted :D


I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Campagnolo » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:41 pm

I am dying.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:49 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.


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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby hyakku » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:53 pm

Campagnolo wrote:I am dying.


Fucking this. I feel like I'm wandering in Joshua Tree without water or hope of rain in sight. Honestly though, I know once we get this status checker it's just going to start again.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby addy11 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:55 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.


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Yeah, but he's military, right? They love military people (come on... Let's keep this rationalization going!)

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Yeshia90 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:00 pm

Sorry, guys. Won't be joining you next year.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:03 pm

addy11 wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.


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Yeah, but he's military, right? They love military people (come on... Let's keep this rationalization going!)


In all seriousness, they are admitting people who they think will go to Michigan. Anyone with the GI bill will have public schools at the top of the list, so yes, Michigan loves people from the military. I can not argue with the LSN graph. It looks like a Vince Lombardi-designed play:

"We're gonna make a seam here at 168, and a seam here at 174, and go...right...through...here"

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby UnamSanctam » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:16 pm

Yeshia90 wrote:Sorry, guys. Won't be joining you next year.


So sad. But happy for you at NYU.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby clarion » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:20 pm

cj03 wrote:
RonnyDworkin wrote:
cj03 wrote:In via ASW today!!! It's my first acceptance of the cycle and I'm very pumped its from Michigan!!!!

Submitted 10/21
Complete 11/10



Stats? ED?



RD
166/ 3.8
Urm


Congratulationss!! :D

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby thelaststraw05 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:28 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
addy11 wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.


23


Yeah, but he's military, right? They love military people (come on... Let's keep this rationalization going!)


In all seriousness, they are admitting people who they think will go to Michigan. Anyone with the GI bill will have public schools at the top of the list, so yes, Michigan loves people from the military. I can not argue with the LSN graph. It looks like a Vince Lombardi-designed play:

"We're gonna make a seam here at 168, and a seam here at 174, and go...right...through...here"


Go back and look at the graphs for the last few years.

2011 - http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1011/
2010 - http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/0910/
2009 - http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/0809/

The only trend that is clear is that Michigan is willing to accept, waitlist, or reject anyone with 166-167 and up.

Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game. Michigan isn't just a numbers game. Does it mean that some worthy applicants with high numbers don't get in? Yes. It also means that worthy applicants that other schools reject out of hand do get in.

On each of those graphs there are applicants with a 178, 179, or 180 who get in. If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:45 pm

thelaststraw05 wrote:Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game.


I don't.

thelaststraw05 wrote:If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.


C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby TMC116 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:47 pm

[/quote]

C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.[/quote]

...are you serious? Oh God help us if they stoop to 97th percentile and an A average.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:48 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
addy11 wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.


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Yeah, but he's military, right? They love military people (come on... Let's keep this rationalization going!)


In all seriousness, they are admitting people who they think will go to Michigan. Anyone with the GI bill will have public schools at the top of the list, so yes, Michigan loves people from the military. I can not argue with the LSN graph. It looks like a Vince Lombardi-designed play:

"We're gonna make a seam here at 168, and a seam here at 174, and go...right...through...here"


What? Military people have many options that are a full-ride. Michigan likes them for the same reason employers do...maturity, life experience, etc.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:48 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
thelaststraw05 wrote:Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game.


I don't.

thelaststraw05 wrote:If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.


C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.


I think they were alluding to the fact that Michigan appears to make a concerted effort to admit a class that will get along together (see: Michigan collegiality). Some schools have cut-throat atmospheres where students will not help each other, or at least not the extent that Michigan students may.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:48 pm

blowhard wrote:What? Military people have many options that are a full-ride. Michigan likes them for the same reason employers do...maturity, life experience, etc.


Don't forget... we look good in uniform, too.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:49 pm

TMC116 wrote:...are you serious? Oh God help us if they stoop to 97th percentile and an A average.


Try again.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby crumpetsandtea » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:51 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
thelaststraw05 wrote:Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game.

I don't.
thelaststraw05 wrote:If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.

C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.

NGL, TS, this post comes off really douchetastic. :| It's great that you want a school that is obsessed with numbers and doesn't give a shit about the people behind the numbers, but there's no need to malign Michigan's medians or insinuate that their student body isn't benefited by a more holistic approach in the way that you have. It just seems rude.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby JoeMo » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:53 pm

I'm not trying to flame this guy so please don't.

But http://lawschoolnumbers.com/champion11/jd

Is that what a normal URM cycle looks like?

Is there something we're missing?

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:53 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:I think they were alluding to the fact that Michigan appears to make a concerted effort to admit a class that will get along together (see: Michigan collegiality). Some schools have cut-throat atmospheres where students will not help each other, or at least not the extent that Michigan students may.


Again, let's get serious. Students at every school say this.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby thelaststraw05 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:53 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
thelaststraw05 wrote:Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game.


I don't.


Fair, not everyone. There are plenty of people who complain about it not being a holistic process. Clearly Michigan is.

Tiago Splitter wrote:
thelaststraw05 wrote:If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.


C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.


There are very few of my classmates who are not well rounded individuals. It is particularly apparent during finals. People are still helping each other out. People are still not hiding textbooks. I have not noticed any real signs that people are trying to hurt others scores to help their own.

I can't really speak to whether that comes down to the admissions process, but it just seems like a great group of folks here.

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby freestallion » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:55 pm

JoeMo wrote:I'm not trying to flame this guy so please don't.

But http://lawschoolnumbers.com/champion11/jd

Is that what a normal URM cycle looks like?

Is there something we're missing?

I think that is legitimate, because an AA male might get a 10 point boost = 169 and 3.74 which definitely can get into Mich and Berk :)

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby crumpetsandtea » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:55 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:I think they were alluding to the fact that Michigan appears to make a concerted effort to admit a class that will get along together (see: Michigan collegiality). Some schools have cut-throat atmospheres where students will not help each other, or at least not the extent that Michigan students may.


Again, let's get serious. Students at every school say this.

What's your point, Tiago? What are you looking for people to agree with you over? That Michigan isn't holistic? That their holistic (or not holistic) process is bad? That they haven't accepted you because they have some vendetta against people with over a 174 LSAT? I don't understand where you're going with this. What's so wrong about allowing students to think that their school has done a good job of finding well-rounded candidates?

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Re: Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Nelson » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:56 pm

JoeMo wrote:I'm not trying to flame this guy so please don't.

But http://lawschoolnumbers.com/champion11/jd

Is that what a normal URM cycle looks like?

Is there something we're missing?


Yes. He's an AA male with self reported "strong softs" so probably good PS and story. Nothing unusual there.




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