Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby smokeylarue » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:17 pm

Wait does speeding ticket seriously count as a crime? I didn't include those. Something tells me its not the end of the world but...

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jim-green » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:18 pm

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby thelawyler » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:21 pm

That's a bit ridiculous. I'm sure a 2 sentence addendum for a parking ticket will suffice.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby freestallion » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:23 pm

Crap. I guess I should disclose tickets too.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Cornelius » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:29 pm

Parking tickets? Ugh. I got 2 like 6 years ago. Do you just email admissions and ask them to update your file? Do you send a new word doc with the new C&F explanation?

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jc010 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:35 pm

I feel like even if a parking ticket/speeding ticket is a "crime" in PA, the matter of if it's a crime in the state in which it occurred is more important. But, I would disclose everything because it's not going to matter anyway.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jim-green » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:38 pm

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:46 pm

AFAIK Penn does not need traffic violation addenda. None of the T14 do (supposedly). It's a civil offense, not a criminal one

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby anewaphorist » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:53 pm

Yeah, I doubt they want to read 5,000 addenda, all going something like, "This one time, five years ago, I forgot to put money in a parking meter." Really, disclosing parking tickets?

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Schola » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:53 pm

agreed. It probably varies by state, but to my knowledge in most states it is a civil infraction, not a misdemeanor. However, in some states it might become a misdemeanor in extreme cases, like 100mph in a 25mph school zone. you should see what the law is in your state.

It would seem to me that it could actually hurt you if you declare what is a civil infraction if they only ask for misdemeanors and felonies. It raises the question, "Were you just too lazy to google the law in your state?"


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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Cornelius » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:05 pm

anewaphorist wrote:Yeah, I doubt they want to read 5,000 addenda, all going something like, "This one time, five years ago, I forgot to put money in a parking meter." Really, disclosing parking tickets?

A good number of schools ask for speeding type tickets. A huge number of people have those.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby anewaphorist » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:09 pm

Moving vs. non-moving violations makes a big difference. And, fair enough, my knowledge is admittedly restricted to the T-14 applications.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Cornelius » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:14 pm

anewaphorist wrote:Moving vs. non-moving violations makes a big difference. And, fair enough, my knowledge is admittedly restricted to the T-14 applications.

Agreed, I'm just saying that I doubt the number of people who would need to include an addendum is a factor. It's not like it really makes a difference, I sent a quick update to schools that I originally sent a C&F addendum to for my moving violations updating it and saying something along the lines of "I was made aware parking tickets may need to be disclosed too, so to err on the side of caution and comply with full disclosure, I'm updating my C&F with these parking tickets."

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jim-green » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:16 pm

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jim-green » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:17 pm

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby anewaphorist » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:17 pm

I guess the question is, do you think adcoms are going to take a lack of disclosure as evidence of mens rea or simply as oversight of what is by all accounts a minor, non-criminal offense? The kind of person who would intend to deceive an adcom by withholding parking and non-criminal moving violations is a weird one indeed.

EDIT: I suppose if you contributed to an accident or something, then that would be grounds for revealing the incident. But for those of us who were merely caught speeding 5 years ago at 20 over the limit, I doubt there'll be any issue at all.
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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jim-green » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:18 pm

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby r6_philly » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:02 pm

I did not disclose any traffic tickets. Don't need to. You can call admissions and ask for peace of mind but you do not need to disclose summary traffic tickets. You can of course get more serious offenses from traffic (DUI, reckless endangerment, etc.).

Edit: Crimes are listed in PA code under Title 18. Traffic is under Title 75. The only one I would consider disclosing under Title 75 is §3802 DUI.
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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jim-green » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:11 pm

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby r6_philly » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:22 pm

jim-green wrote:
r6_philly wrote:I did not disclose any traffic tickets. Don't need to. You can call admissions and ask for peace of mind but you do not need to disclose summary traffic tickets. You can of course get more serious offenses from traffic (DUI, reckless endangerment, etc.). In PA statutes, crimes are under title 18 and traffic under title 75, so technically traffic violations are statutory violations, not crimes.
Whew, thanks!


No problem. I think if you have been convicted of a crime, like the application asks, you would know :shock:

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:42 pm

r6_philly wrote:
jim-green wrote:
r6_philly wrote:I did not disclose any traffic tickets. Don't need to. You can call admissions and ask for peace of mind but you do not need to disclose summary traffic tickets. You can of course get more serious offenses from traffic (DUI, reckless endangerment, etc.). In PA statutes, crimes are under title 18 and traffic under title 75, so technically traffic violations are statutory violations, not crimes.
Whew, thanks!


No problem. I think if you have been convicted of a crime, like the application asks, you would know :shock:

wish I had gone back to this thread 10 minutes ago. I just sent an email to Penn asking if they want traffic tix addenda :oops:

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:43 pm

never mind, I guess I sent it to an automated and unmonitered email address. That works. Thanks R6

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby r6_philly » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:50 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:never mind, I guess I sent it to an automated and unmonitered email address. That works. Thanks R6


haha good timing!

BTW you guys should feel free to call the admin office with whatever questions you have. The ladies at the desk are very very nice. If you guys ever come in to visit you would see.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby 80eight » Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:29 pm

Actually though, I did email Penn about this a few days ago, and their response was:

"In furtherance of full disclosure, we recommend briefly detailing any traffic violations, including speeding tickets."




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