Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Nelson » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:43 am

scottybared wrote:
smokeylarue wrote:Complete 11/7. First UR 12/19. What are chances of hearing something before holidays lol.... 5%??


Same dates for me. Something before the holidays would be nice...


Last year, people on LSN received decisions on the 22nd and 23rd, so they may not be done yet.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Killingly » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:44 am

Samara wrote:Your GPA dropped by .03? Don't sweat it.


I dipped under the 3.5 mark, so I'm sweating it a little. Not sure if I update and let it ride, explain the situation in LOCI, or what. Oh well.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Samara » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:47 am

Killingly wrote:
Samara wrote:Your GPA dropped by .03? Don't sweat it.


I dipped under the 3.5 mark, so I'm sweating it a little. Not sure if I update and let it ride, explain the situation in LOCI, or what. Oh well.

It's not like there's a strict cutoff at 3.5. I think I like the LOCI idea best, but I would probably wait until prompted to update.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jpal13 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:17 pm

Is it too late to request to ED?

I'm realizing penn is my number 1 and I should have ED.
Just below GPA min 171/3.77

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby curiousgeorgia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:41 pm

jpal13 wrote:Is it too late to request to ED?

I'm realizing penn is my number 1 and I should have ED.
Just below GPA min 171/3.77


Too late to request to ED, yeah, but those numbers are pretty solid.

If you didn't submit a Why Penn or something of the sort, you can send that along expressing that they are truly your #1 and that you will definitely attend if accepted.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jpal13 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:26 pm

curiousgeorgia wrote:
jpal13 wrote:Is it too late to request to ED?

I'm realizing penn is my number 1 and I should have ED.
Just below GPA min 171/3.77


Too late to request to ED, yeah, but those numbers are pretty solid.

If you didn't submit a Why Penn or something of the sort, you can send that along expressing that they are truly your #1 and that you will definitely attend if accepted.


I did a why penn and my piece of art/lit that inspired me to study law. My strategy is if I get waitlisted to do an LOCI and if that doesn't work I will show up in rags at the admin office pleading. I'm sure that will work.

The magic box on LSN is 170+ and 3.8+ , being even slightly out of that box makes me squirm. Complete 10/31, first UR 12/19. I think there are a lot of us there. I hope they start reviewing apps again on Dec 27 but I wouldn't be surprised if they shut up shop till Jan 3.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby addy11 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:48 pm

UR for the second time within the last 15 minutes :shock:

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby lats19nys » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:52 pm

addy11 wrote:UR for the second time within the last 15 minutes :shock:


yea me too. i know ppl have asked this throughout. but i forget. was this a good sign?

edit:oops my bad, just read my status checker wrong.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby spiritniffler189 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:59 pm

Just went UR for the 1st time today...too much to expect a call this week still?

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:24 pm

Halleuia! My application finally went under review today from 11/04!

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby amc987 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:29 pm

msblaw89 wrote:Halleuia! My application finally went under review today from 11/04!


+1. FINALLY. Have been Complete since 11/2. Maybe this means we'll hear sometime in January??

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Boston_NYG2245 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:44 pm

addy11 wrote:UR for the second time within the last 15 minutes :shock:


Same, hey maybe we'll get decisions before Jan 1? I can hope can't I?

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby mjitbswyd » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:32 pm

Can anyone please tell me whether paying Penn's first deposit (May 1st) forbids you to apply to other law schools?

I know this sound odd, but I have a previous LLM so I can apply to transfer to Chicago and Columbia in May. NYU's deposit agreement expilictly says "I will not apply to another law school afterward", so I wonder if it is also true for Penn?

Thank you so much!

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby lats19nys » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:41 am

mjitbswyd wrote:Can anyone please tell me whether paying Penn's first deposit (May 1st) forbids you to apply to other law schools?

I know this sound odd, but I have a previous LLM so I can apply to transfer to Chicago and Columbia in May. NYU's deposit agreement expilictly says "I will not apply to another law school afterward", so I wonder if it is also true for Penn?

Thank you so much!


whenever you deposit, it's in good faith that you won't apply to other schools. If it wasn't so, what would stop anyone from applying the next year with a good school already in the bag. If you get caught, say bye bye to every school out there.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby lrslayer » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:34 am

lats19nys wrote:
mjitbswyd wrote:Can anyone please tell me whether paying Penn's first deposit (May 1st) forbids you to apply to other law schools?

I know this sound odd, but I have a previous LLM so I can apply to transfer to Chicago and Columbia in May. NYU's deposit agreement expilictly says "I will not apply to another law school afterward", so I wonder if it is also true for Penn?

Thank you so much!


whenever you deposit, it's in good faith that you won't apply to other schools. If it wasn't so, what would stop anyone from applying the next year with a good school already in the bag. If you get caught, say bye bye to every school out there.


not obligated according to this:
http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Publications/PDFs/statementofgoodadm.pdf

"After April 1, except under binding early decision plans, every accepted applicant should be free to accept a new offer from a law school even though a scholarship has been accepted, a deposit has been paid, or a committment has been made to another school. To provide applicants with an uncoerced choice among various law schools, no excessive nonrefundable deposit should be required solely to maintain a place in the class. Beginning on May 15 of each year, law schools that participate in the Commitment Overlap Service will be provided with information concerning all enrollment commitments to any law school made by those applicants who have indicated an intention to enroll in that school’s entering class. A law school should clearly communicate its policies on multiple enrollment commitments upon admission."

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:55 am


Confusingly, this LSAC statement about binding deposits is itself non-binding. Consider the opening paragraph:

LSAC wrote:This Statement of Good Admission and Financial Aid Practices is
designed to focus attention on principles that should guide law
school admission and financial aid programs. No attempt has
been made to develop “legislative” guidelines, because no
absolute rules apply to every situation. The statement is intended
to improve the admission and financial aid processes in law
schools and to promote fairness and the highest standards of
professional conduct for all participants.

Having done a little research, it appears that NYU's first deposit was binding last year, but Penn's first deposit was not. If Penn's deposit is not binding - in the sense that you can also submit deposits to other schools you have already applied to - it would seem strange and inconsistent for Penn to prevent you applying to other schools.

Evidence for Penn's deposit being non-binding (look for the email quoted mid-page):
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=145779&p=4410645
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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby mjitbswyd » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:08 am

AntipodeanPhil wrote:Having done a little research, it appears that NYU's first deposit was binding last year, but Penn's first deposit was not. If Penn's deposit is not binding - in the sense that you can also submit deposits to other schools you have already applied to - it would seem strange and inconsistent for Penn to prevent you applying to other schools.

Evidence for Penn's deposit being non-binding (look for the email quoted mid-page):
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=145779&p=4410645




Thank you Phil your research is very helpful. You must be a wonderful scholar and a super nice person. Hope to meet you in US!

Actually I will choose Penn over Chicago and Columbia, but my GF is also appying this year so I want to know whether I will have more options if she cannot get to some place near Philadelphia.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby smokeylarue » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:56 am

Looking at LSN, there seems to be a VERY strange aversion to applicants with GPA between 3.6 and 3.8.

In fact, out of the 38 admits, there are exactly ZERO with a GPA between 3.6 and 3.8. This troubles me as I fall into this range......

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby msblaw89 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:11 am

Boston_NYG2245 wrote:
addy11 wrote:UR for the second time within the last 15 minutes :shock:


Same, hey maybe we'll get decisions before Jan 1? I can hope can't I?

I'm with you kn this one

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby addy11 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:26 am

smokeylarue wrote:Looking at LSN, there seems to be a VERY strange aversion to applicants with GPA between 3.6 and 3.8.

In fact, out of the 38 admits, there are exactly ZERO with a GPA between 3.6 and 3.8. This troubles me as I fall into this range......


People round to preserve anonymity. There are two 3.8s... those could easily be 3.75-3.79s.

Also, Penn is known for doing weird things with admissions, but I doubt they decided to just cast aside hundreds of people within their 25-50% for GPA.

Anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic. I really love Penn and it's one of the few schools that could sway me from NYU/Berkeley. It would be nice to go to school in a city and so close to family, and would be such an awesome Christmas present!

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jpal13 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:58 am

smokeylarue wrote:Looking at LSN, there seems to be a VERY strange aversion to applicants with GPA between 3.6 and 3.8.

In fact, out of the 38 admits, there are exactly ZERO with a GPA between 3.6 and 3.8. This troubles me as I fall into this range......


I'm in that range too, but FYI I believe those who are on the lower gpa side were ED. I saw those marks first appear when Penn was doing ED acceptances. Which means for RD candidates they are shooting for gpa 3.8 and up.

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby addy11 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:02 am

jpal13 wrote:
smokeylarue wrote:Looking at LSN, there seems to be a VERY strange aversion to applicants with GPA between 3.6 and 3.8.

In fact, out of the 38 admits, there are exactly ZERO with a GPA between 3.6 and 3.8. This troubles me as I fall into this range......


I'm in that range too, but FYI I believe those who are on the lower gpa side were ED. I saw those marks first appear when Penn was doing ED acceptances. Which means indicates that for RD candidates they are may be shooting for gpa 3.8 and up.


FTFY :wink:

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby Guillaume9 » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:29 am

Bonjour! Congrats to those admitted recently.
I've sent my apps in early Oct. and now my UR stuck in 11/30. Should I worry about this?

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Re: Penn c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle)

Postby jetissent » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:41 am

U/R at Penn--submitted 11/2! That officially leave just UChi sitting at complete. I'll be heading home to Philly for xmas break this weekend--here's hoping for a crazy fast turn around so I can actually visit a school as an admitted student! :)




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