So, come up with a better way to demarcate biglaw from not-biglaw using those statistics. Or is this Chicago trolling hour?Bildungsroman wrote:looool.Hawkeye Pierce wrote: And if we want to use NLJ250 as a demarcation for law firms, then we should only include people in the categories of 101+ people (granted, this may be cutting out some prestigious lit boutiques), which means ~60% got it.
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If you want to use NLJ250 numbers as the point of demarcation, why not go right to the source? Keeping in mind that NLJ250 doesn't cover a lot of highly sought-after firm jobs, Chicago still outplaced Columbia and NYU (the former by a small margin, the latter by a lot). You're comparing Chicago's relatively comprehensive jobs data to rumors from NYU and Columbia, mostly rumors circulated by students at those schools who go there and have an interest in making it seem as good as possible, instead of looking at objective indicators. I'm not saying Chicago is way better than Columbia and NYU. They're peer schools, and all available data indicate that Chicago easily performs as well as NYU and Columbia.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:So, come up with a better way to demarcate biglaw from not-biglaw using those statistics. Or is this Chicago trolling hour?Bildungsroman wrote:looool.Hawkeye Pierce wrote: And if we want to use NLJ250 as a demarcation for law firms, then we should only include people in the categories of 101+ people (granted, this may be cutting out some prestigious lit boutiques), which means ~60% got it.
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Of course my analysis was imperfect, but the entire point of the post was to show that people were misreading the data, and that yes, Chicago performs as well as NYU and CLS. I'm not going to say better, because their strengths are in different fields. I mean, let's be honest... using old c/o 2010 data isn't exactly the most fruitful when we're looking at current placement. It's much better to look at the leaked OCI data (not exactly 'rumors') of the most recent classes.Bildungsroman wrote:If you want to use NLJ250 numbers as the point of demarcation, why not go right to the source? Keeping in mind that NLJ250 doesn't cover a lot of highly sought-after firm jobs, Chicago still outplaced Columbia and NYU (the former by a small margin, the latter by a lot). You're comparing Chicago's relatively comprehensive jobs data to rumors from NYU and Columbia, mostly rumors circulated by students at those schools who go there and have an interest in making it seem as good as possible, instead of looking at objective indicators. I'm not saying Chicago is way better than Columbia and NYU. They're peer schools, and all available data indicate that Chicago easily performs as well as NYU and Columbia, if not better.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:So, come up with a better way to demarcate biglaw from not-biglaw using those statistics. Or is this Chicago trolling hour?Bildungsroman wrote:looool.Hawkeye Pierce wrote: And if we want to use NLJ250 as a demarcation for law firms, then we should only include people in the categories of 101+ people (granted, this may be cutting out some prestigious lit boutiques), which means ~60% got it.
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I haven't seen this leaked data. How comprehensive was it? All that I've seen regarding this year's and last year's OCI placement at Columbia and NYU is educated guesses by current students as to how they felt, how their classmates felt, what the people they talked to said, etc. If you have the data I'd love to see it.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:It's much better to look at the leaked OCI data (not exactly 'rumors') of the most recent classes.
And if you're comparing OCI from this year or last year to Chicago's c/o 2010 employment information, then you're performing a worthless analysis given 1. the differences in the legal job market between the two time periods at issue, and 2. the differences what the data includes (hint: number of SAs and number of full-time offers resulting from SAs are two very different numbers).
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If you use the search bar, you can find the threads that have the broken down data.Bildungsroman wrote:I haven't seen this leaked data. How comprehensive was it? All that I've seen regarding this year's and last year's OCI placement at Columbia and NYU is educated guesses by current students as to how they felt, how their classmates felt, what the people they talked to said, etc. If you have the data I'd love to see it.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:It's much better to look at the leaked OCI data (not exactly 'rumors') of the most recent classes.
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Hawkeye Pierce wrote:If you use the search bar, you can find the threads that have the broken down data.Bildungsroman wrote:I haven't seen this leaked data. How comprehensive was it? All that I've seen regarding this year's and last year's OCI placement at Columbia and NYU is educated guesses by current students as to how they felt, how their classmates felt, what the people they talked to said, etc. If you have the data I'd love to see it.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:It's much better to look at the leaked OCI data (not exactly 'rumors') of the most recent classes.
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Lol, okay. I'm not doing your research for you.
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Scumbag 0L: makes claims based on data, doesn't actually provide data to back up his claims.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:Lol, okay. I'm not doing your research for you.
Too lazy to actually meme it, but you get the idea.
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Lol at calling me a 'scumbag'.Bildungsroman wrote:Scumbag 0L: makes claims based on data, doesn't actually provide data to back up his claims.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:Lol, okay. I'm not doing your research for you.
Too lazy to actually meme it, but you get the idea.
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Are you new to the internet? Scumbag Steve is a meme, and it's been adapted to a a lot of "Scumbag _____" versions.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:Lol at calling me a 'scumbag'.Bildungsroman wrote:Scumbag 0L: makes claims based on data, doesn't actually provide data to back up his claims.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:Lol, okay. I'm not doing your research for you.
Too lazy to actually meme it, but you get the idea.
Did I hurt your fee fees? Sorry, I'll stop responding to you so the thread for people to talk about UChicago doesn't get derailed by your very obvious desire not to end up at UChicago.
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Hawkeye the thread is turning on you. Quick! Save face by telling everyone how you feel about the troops.
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Lol, no. It's funny that you think you're epistemically privileged just by virtue of being a 1L. How sad and egregious Chicago trolling is.Bildungsroman wrote:Are you new to the internet? Scumbag Steve is a meme, and it's been adapted to a a lot of "Scumbag _____" versions.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:Lol at calling me a 'scumbag'.Bildungsroman wrote:Scumbag 0L: makes claims based on data, doesn't actually provide data to back up his claims.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:Lol, okay. I'm not doing your research for you.
Too lazy to actually meme it, but you get the idea.
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Bildungsroman wrote:Are you new to the internet? Scumbag Steve is a meme, and it's been adapted to a a lot of "Scumbag _____" versions.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:Lol at calling me a 'scumbag'.Bildungsroman wrote:Scumbag 0L: makes claims based on data, doesn't actually provide data to back up his claims.Hawkeye Pierce wrote:Lol, okay. I'm not doing your research for you.
Too lazy to actually meme it, but you get the idea.
Did I hurt your fee fees? Sorry, I'll stop responding to you so the thread for people to talk about UChicago doesn't get derailed by your very obvious desire not to end up at UChicago.
wow. please do.
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Hawkeye Pierce wrote:Lol, okay. I'm not doing your research for you.
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I lol'd.TemporarySaint wrote:Hawkeye the thread is turning on you. Quick! Save face by telling everyone how you feel about the troops.
...if anyone has any non-employment-related questions for 1Ls, I can answer them. Or PI-related questions.
I will start the happy question trend:
Q: How awesome is it to be done with your first set of 1L exams by December 13?
A: Really awesome. It's even more fun if you have friends who go to other law schools who haven't even started exams yet!
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What's the typical academic year temperature range?
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I'm not entirely sure since I haven't been here a full academic year, but so far it hasn't been too bad. Snowed a couple times, has been in the 20s in the mornings a few times (but then warms up so I look stupid in my puffy coat).icedflames wrote:What's the typical academic year temperature range?
When I visited in April for ASW the weather was pretty shitty (low 40s and gray). So I assume it gets really gross in the intervening time. But hopefully we won't have a snowpocalypse this year
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Hows the 1L summer search looking? Good amount of decent options?Xifeng wrote:I'm not entirely sure since I haven't been here a full academic year, but so far it hasn't been too bad. Snowed a couple times, has been in the 20s in the mornings a few times (but then warms up so I look stupid in my puffy coat).icedflames wrote:What's the typical academic year temperature range?
When I visited in April for ASW the weather was pretty shitty (low 40s and gray). So I assume it gets really gross in the intervening time. But hopefully we won't have a snowpocalypse this year
probably way too early to tell i guess
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You're a terrible terrible person, you know that?Xifeng wrote:
...if anyone has any non-employment-related questions for 1Ls, I can answer them. Or PI-related questions.
I will start the happy question trend:
Q: How awesome is it to be done with your first set of 1L exams by December 13?
A: Really awesome. It's even more fun if you have friends who go to other law schools who haven't even started exams yet!
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I have heard that some people have gotten offers. Some of us are lazy and still need to send out a lot more stuff But OCS says we'll all get something, and there are a lot of cool options out there.cubbiesyear wrote:Hows the 1L summer search looking? Good amount of decent options?Xifeng wrote:I'm not entirely sure since I haven't been here a full academic year, but so far it hasn't been too bad. Snowed a couple times, has been in the 20s in the mornings a few times (but then warms up so I look stupid in my puffy coat).icedflames wrote:What's the typical academic year temperature range?
When I visited in April for ASW the weather was pretty shitty (low 40s and gray). So I assume it gets really gross in the intervening time. But hopefully we won't have a snowpocalypse this year
probably way too early to tell i guess
& dakure, I am awesome. HTH.
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Updated today 3.4 173. So probably everybody
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Updated as well, so I'd assume so.LaRon James wrote:Updated today 3.4 173. So probably everybody
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The quarter system rules!Xifeng wrote:...if anyone has any non-employment-related questions for 1Ls, I can answer them. Or PI-related questions.
I will start the happy question trend:
Q: How awesome is it to be done with your first set of 1L exams by December 13?
A: Really awesome. It's even more fun if you have friends who go to other law schools who haven't even started exams yet!
Speaking of PI, I have a two-parter for you. I think I want to do biglaw (from my limited 0L perspective), but I feel bad about not doing PI. 1) Should I feel bad about that? 2) Is it possible to do some sort of mix, i.e. PI biglaw or biglaw PI in-house, or does biglaw pro bono work offer a real opportunity to do some PI work?
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I'll let Xi answer this more fully as the PI expert of Chicago, but you will soon learn about the unfortunate cliquishness of legal PI. My understanding is that they tend to be very suspicious of people who come from big law and want to go full PI.Samara wrote:The quarter system rules!Xifeng wrote:...if anyone has any non-employment-related questions for 1Ls, I can answer them. Or PI-related questions.
I will start the happy question trend:
Q: How awesome is it to be done with your first set of 1L exams by December 13?
A: Really awesome. It's even more fun if you have friends who go to other law schools who haven't even started exams yet!
Speaking of PI, I have a two-parter for you. I think I want to do biglaw (from my limited 0L perspective), but I feel bad about not doing PI. 1) Should I feel bad about that? 2) Is it possible to do some sort of mix, i.e. PI biglaw or biglaw PI in-house, or does biglaw pro bono work offer a real opportunity to do some PI work?
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