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Re: SMU 2012

Postby favrefire4 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:05 am

I had forgotten all about SMU and decided to check their status checker. Updated 4/16/12 to say waitlisted. HUGE reverse splitter, so I'm pretty surprised to even get this 155/3.8

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sarahmargie
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Re: SMU 2012

Postby sarahmargie » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:05 pm

I got waitlisted too, but I withdrew immediately.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby BVest » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:41 pm

From UH thread:

kiwi4president wrote:For those trying to choose between SMU and UH I compiled some numbers from the new 2011 employment data released from http://placementsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/ All percentages are rounded up. Feel free to check my math but for the most part I think it is accurate.

UH
Total employment: 92%
Total employment minus temporary employment: 90%
Total employment minus temporary employment & 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 71%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 17%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 14%
Academia minus temporary work: 1%

SMU
Total employment: 87%
Total employment minus temporary work: 79%
Total employment minus temporary employment and 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 65%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 19%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 10%
Academia minus temporary work: <1%

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby swilson215 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:25 pm

BVest wrote:From UH thread:

kiwi4president wrote:For those trying to choose between SMU and UH I compiled some numbers from the new 2011 employment data released from http://placementsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/ All percentages are rounded up. Feel free to check my math but for the most part I think it is accurate.

UH
Total employment: 92%
Total employment minus temporary employment: 90%
Total employment minus temporary employment & 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 71%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 17%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 14%
Academia minus temporary work: 1%

SMU
Total employment: 87%
Total employment minus temporary work: 79%
Total employment minus temporary employment and 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 65%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 19%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 10%
Academia minus temporary work: <1%


This is interesting, but a lot of those "survey response" data collections are flawed.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby Stevoman » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:37 am

BVest wrote:From UH thread:

kiwi4president wrote:For those trying to choose between SMU and UH I compiled some numbers from the new 2011 employment data released from http://placementsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/ All percentages are rounded up. Feel free to check my math but for the most part I think it is accurate.

UH
Total employment: 92%
Total employment minus temporary employment: 90%
Total employment minus temporary employment & 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 71%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 17%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 14%
Academia minus temporary work: 1%

SMU
Total employment: 87%
Total employment minus temporary work: 79%
Total employment minus temporary employment and 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 65%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 19%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 10%
Academia minus temporary work: <1%


Be careful using these kinds of statistics to draw conclusions. Texas Tech has a 93% total employment, and UT is only sitting at 89%...is UT worse than both UH and TTU?

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby zanzbar » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:06 am

Stevoman wrote:
BVest wrote:From UH thread:

kiwi4president wrote:For those trying to choose between SMU and UH I compiled some numbers from the new 2011 employment data released from http://placementsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/ All percentages are rounded up. Feel free to check my math but for the most part I think it is accurate.

UH
Total employment: 92%
Total employment minus temporary employment: 90%
Total employment minus temporary employment & 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 71%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 17%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 14%
Academia minus temporary work: 1%

SMU
Total employment: 87%
Total employment minus temporary work: 79%
Total employment minus temporary employment and 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 65%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 19%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 10%
Academia minus temporary work: <1%


Be careful using these kinds of statistics to draw conclusions. Texas Tech has a 93% total employment, and UT is only sitting at 89%...is UT worse than both UH and TTU?


Well I think this isn't that bad to use as a comparison the source of the number breaks it down better than this by distinguishing by # of attorneys at a firm. Also they are viewed as peer schools where as I don't think anyone considers TTU or UT peers.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby bringyourlunch » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:29 pm

zanzbar wrote:
Stevoman wrote:
BVest wrote:From UH thread:

kiwi4president wrote:For those trying to choose between SMU and UH I compiled some numbers from the new 2011 employment data released from http://placementsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/ All percentages are rounded up. Feel free to check my math but for the most part I think it is accurate.

UH
Total employment: 92%
Total employment minus temporary employment: 90%
Total employment minus temporary employment & 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 71%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 17%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 14%
Academia minus temporary work: 1%

SMU
Total employment: 87%
Total employment minus temporary work: 79%
Total employment minus temporary employment and 90% of business (mostly retail gigs etc.): 65%
Firm employment minus temporary employment: 53%
Firm employment minus temporary employment & small firms (solos and 2-10): 31%
Biglaw employment (firms with 50+ attorneys): 19%
Government & public interest employment minus temporary work: 10%
Academia minus temporary work: <1%


Be careful using these kinds of statistics to draw conclusions. Texas Tech has a 93% total employment, and UT is only sitting at 89%...is UT worse than both UH and TTU?


Well I think this isn't that bad to use as a comparison the source of the number breaks it down better than this by distinguishing by # of attorneys at a firm. Also they are viewed as peer schools where as I don't think anyone considers TTU or UT peers.


That's it. I'm withdrawing and going to UH

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby bringyourlunch » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:38 pm

Since we are talking about employment outlooks, I'm going bounce a hypothetical off of y'all. Say you just started a construction management job that started you off at 52,000. The salary ceiling is probably somewhere around 100,000 and would take 10-15 years to reach. SMU offered you 26,000/yr, you have enough money saved to at least pay rent for the first 2 years of school. Would you guys keep the job, or take the scholarship?

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby fathergoose » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:10 pm

bringyourlunch wrote:Since we are talking about employment outlooks, I'm going bounce a hypothetical off of y'all. Say you just started a construction management job that started you off at 52,000. The salary ceiling is probably somewhere around 100,000 and would take 10-15 years to reach. SMU offered you 26,000/yr, you have enough money saved to at least pay rent for the first 2 years of school. Would you guys keep the job, or take the scholarship?

It depends on whether you want to be a lawyer or you want to be in construction management. Don't go to law school, SMU or any other for that matter, if you are even remotely wishy-washy about wanting to be a lawyer.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby AgLaw » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:11 pm

My application status just changed with part time being the only option... I know this happened to some people right before they were accepted to the part time program, has anyone had their status change and then they weren't admitted?

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby Oftranch » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:33 pm

withdrew $15,000/yr going back to y'all

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby mxmatt137 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:50 pm

Despite the comments on here saying that SMU doesn't negotiate scholarships I decided to give it a try. Unfortunately I had the same luck as the rest of the people who tried. I hate to turn down such a generous offer, but I will very likely be withdrawing this week. Congrats to those that have chosen SMU, and good luck to everyone still waiting on a response!

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby futurejdgirl » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:17 pm

I applied mid-Feb and haven't heard a peep.
3.09/162.

Should I just assume I'm not in?

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby Titleist » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:51 pm

futurejdgirl wrote:I applied mid-Feb and haven't heard a peep.
3.09/162.

Should I just assume I'm not in?


FT looks bleak for you. My numbers were better an I got dinged FT and accepted PT.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby StarLightSpectre » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:40 pm

My status updated to Complete again on 4/25. I was originally held for further review in late Jan/early Feb.

IDK what that means.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby bringyourlunch » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:59 pm

Any current students ever hear of SMU grads practicing construction law?

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby fathergoose » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:27 pm

bringyourlunch wrote:Any current students ever hear of SMU grads practicing construction law?

Yes. Actually a couple firms who do just construction law interviewed at one of the OCI sessions. Also a course here on it.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby bringyourlunch » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:09 pm

fathergoose wrote:
bringyourlunch wrote:Any current students ever hear of SMU grads practicing construction law?

Yes. Actually a couple firms who do just construction law interviewed at one of the OCI sessions. Also a course here on it.


Good to hear

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby zx92027xz » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:15 am

Was held before. Now "Application Completed _ 4/25/2012" with nothing else visible at all (nothing in mailings, fees or requirements.) Bad news coming, or do they blank out everyone when a decision letter is in the mail?

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby mxmatt137 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:58 am

zx92027xz wrote:Was held before. Now "Application Completed _ 4/25/2012" with nothing else visible at all (nothing in mailings, fees or requirements.) Bad news coming, or do they blank out everyone when a decision letter is in the mail?


I'm not sure in your case, but I was accepted and never had anything in mailings, fees, or requirements. I would expect a response soon.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby StarLightSpectre » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:26 pm

zx92027xz wrote:Was held before. Now "Application Completed _ 4/25/2012" with nothing else visible at all (nothing in mailings, fees or requirements.) Bad news coming, or do they blank out everyone when a decision letter is in the mail?


Same thing happened to me.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby zanzbar » Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:42 pm

I have been sitting at 4/10 complete, should I call them to see what's going on?

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby Archoholic » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:06 pm

zanzbar wrote:I have been sitting at 4/10 complete, should I call them to see what's going on?


I've got the same status, and while it's killing me to wait, I don't believe calling them will result in my learning anything worthwhile.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby zanzbar » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:11 pm

I gave in to temptation, decisions are going to be mailed out next week.

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Re: SMU 2012

Postby Archoholic » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:40 pm

zanzbar wrote:I gave in to temptation, decisions are going to be mailed out next week.


They told you that the "4/10 Application completed" status people's decision letters will be mailed next week? Or that yours will be, specifically?




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