kulshan wrote: MumofCad wrote: jim-green wrote:
MumofCad wrote:Modern legal education may have begun at Harvard, but it certainly doesn't end there. Get your gunner hats back on!
Referring to the "Socratic case-study method" - otherwise known as 1 prof can teach 80 high paying students with very little prep.
Do you think that's true? It probably requires less prep after a few years of doing it, but I teach my classes this way and I think it takes as much or more prep than just lecturing. Granted, mine are much smaller AND populated mostly by beginning undergrads, who typically aren't as prepared or thoughtful.
It takes little prep. There are some interesting articles about this, but even Harvard scholars admit that it was largely the beginning of law schools becoming a big, profitable business. Most schools make alot of $$$ on their law schools that help support other post-grad programs. There is no doubt about it, the model was an innovation at Harvard near the end of the 19th century and became the standard across the nation.
Hence why Yale spends so much per student in comparison to others....smaller class sizes, one-on-one prof mentoring...its not exactly a money-making model.
There is alot of debate about whether this is the most effective way to actually teach the law or effective at all for that matter lol. I can point you to some interesting journal articles if education is your thing. They were forced on me by a Stanford Law grad on the origin of the legal education system in the US and its critiques, mainly by the Deans of Harvard, Berkeley and the like.
I know what you mean though about UG courses taught in a similar manner. My toughest UG class taught by "Flunkin Duncan" was run in a Socratic method, but it was very different from law school. When I first decided to attend law school, I made the mistake of mentioning to a US Ambassador who went to Yale, got his JD from Georgetown, and taught at a good number of Ivys in between that I was going to go back to get my JD - he decided to make a great example of how this system works to me and how worthlessly he viewed it. It was a grueling 5 minutes in which I felt like a total idiot. A usually nice guy, he turned into a commanding #$%& and I, who don't sweat anything...who prides myself on having a poker face, was seriously sweating and squirming. At the end, I asked if I had even answered a single question right. His response was, "How should I know? I don't know anything about that topic, but the key is, neither do you."