Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:56 pm

yepyepyep wrote:
sharktankdean wrote:Are the js1 batches getting smaller? Or it just cuz tls is a small sample?

Might be because they haven't gone through the holds yet/are waiting to finish the rest non-holds before holds, and the numbers go down closer to the deadline.

Yeah, looking at the numbers on LSN, not that many people applied in late December and January, relative to October and November. It also looks to me as if the LSAT and GPA numbers for late December and January applications are a little lower, on average.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Nulli Secundus » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:56 pm

JS1 e-mail batches got smaller because I hear there are a total of 7 spots remaining for this year's class. (Image)
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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Geneva » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:57 pm

Byzantine wrote:
kingofspain wrote:JS1 email! Whoa.

(Submitted 1/9)


Congrats king!


Congrats! When did you go UR? I'm amazed they've made it to January applications.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Geneva » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:59 pm

it would be interesting to see the LSAT/GPA averages for "early" applicants vs. "late" applicants at different schools. i feel like i may have really sabotaged myself by waiting until january to apply

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby brownpride » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:03 pm

hypothalamus wrote:
brownpride wrote:How long did most of you receive your UR emails after submitting? And how long after that for the "complete" emails?


There is no UR email, just a status update. Then, some time after the status update, you will get the Complete email. Generally about a week or so passes between the two (I think).


Thanks hypothalamus.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby captainwasabi09 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:10 pm

No JS1 yet and my numbers are snazzy. *tear*

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby yepyepyep » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:11 pm

Geneva wrote:it would be interesting to see the LSAT/GPA averages for "early" applicants vs. "late" applicants at different schools. i feel like i may have really sabotaged myself by waiting until january to apply


You're probably okay given the reduced number of applications and the large number of holds here. I don't think you sabotaged yourself.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby thelong » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:13 pm

captainwasabi09 wrote:No JS1 yet and my numbers are snazzy. *tear*


Just wait. It's going to happen for you.

I'm still hoping that they'll stoop to my level, but not holding my breath.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Geneva » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:20 pm

yepyepyep wrote:
Geneva wrote:it would be interesting to see the LSAT/GPA averages for "early" applicants vs. "late" applicants at different schools. i feel like i may have really sabotaged myself by waiting until january to apply


You're probably okay given the reduced number of applications and the large number of holds here. I don't think you sabotaged yourself.


Thank you! My numbers are super low for Harvard as it stands, but I'm hoping that "soft" factors will make the difference. I plan to retake the LSAT in June if I get waitlisted instead of rejected outright...

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby hypothalamus » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:38 pm

On the topic of holds... I asked this in the Held thread, but they're meanies over there and didn't answer my question --

Do people get held at this point in the cycle? If I submitted two months ago and haven't heard anything and they obviously don't have a decision for me, will they hold me or just make me wait forever for a decision, without any official notification of a hold? :)

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby thelawschoolproject » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:39 pm

hypothalamus wrote:On the topic of holds... I asked this in the Held thread, but they're meanies over there and didn't answer my question --

Do people get held at this point in the cycle? If I submitted two months ago and haven't heard anything and they obviously don't have a decision for me, will they hold me or just make me wait forever for a decision, without any official notification of a hold? :)



Based upon last year's thread, there's still time for you to be held. The lastest ones I saw went up to March.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby hypothalamus » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:40 pm

thelawschoolproject wrote:
hypothalamus wrote:On the topic of holds... I asked this in the Held thread, but they're meanies over there and didn't answer my question --

Do people get held at this point in the cycle? If I submitted two months ago and haven't heard anything and they obviously don't have a decision for me, will they hold me or just make me wait forever for a decision, without any official notification of a hold? :)



Based upon last year's thread, there's still time for you to be held. The lastest ones I saw went up to March.


Woohoo! (?) :D

So basically, I can expect either a hold or a decision of some sort soon? Or two months not enough time to whine and expect something, anything?

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby thelawschoolproject » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:42 pm

hypothalamus wrote:
So basically, I can expect either a hold or a decision of some sort soon? Or two months not enough time to whine and expect something, anything?



I am not in the position to tell you to expect anything. I went from October to January without any news.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby boosk » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:46 pm

hypothalamus wrote:
thelawschoolproject wrote:
hypothalamus wrote:On the topic of holds... I asked this in the Held thread, but they're meanies over there and didn't answer my question --

Do people get held at this point in the cycle? If I submitted two months ago and haven't heard anything and they obviously don't have a decision for me, will they hold me or just make me wait forever for a decision, without any official notification of a hold? :)



Based upon last year's thread, there's still time for you to be held. The lastest ones I saw went up to March.


Woohoo! (?) :D

So basically, I can expect either a hold or a decision of some sort soon? Or two months not enough time to whine and expect something, anything?


Submitted 9/27 - Held 1/9 so I dont think 2 months is bad

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:57 pm

Geneva wrote:it would be interesting to see the LSAT/GPA averages for "early" applicants vs. "late" applicants at different schools. i feel like i may have really sabotaged myself by waiting until january to apply

I was bored and anxious enough to just spend 10 minutes cutting and pasting from LSN to Excel. Here's the data:

Harvard LSN Applications, by Month

09 51 apps 171.5 LSAT average
10 100 apps 171.2 LSAT average
11 107 apps 171.5 LSAT average
12 42 apps 170.6 LSAT average
01 44 apps 167.8 LSAT average

So, applications peaked in November, and the January LSAT average is almost 4 points below the November average, and over 5 points below Harvard's median.

Clarificatory note: these are all the Harvard applications posted on LSN (not just the acceptances), grouped into months by the 'Sent' date.
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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Byzantine » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:59 pm

Hi all,

Just got off the phone with JS. She was really nice, and definitely puts you at ease. PM me if you want more deets.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby poultry » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:59 pm

Antipodean you rock!

AntipodeanPhil wrote:
Geneva wrote:it would be interesting to see the LSAT/GPA averages for "early" applicants vs. "late" applicants at different schools. i feel like i may have really sabotaged myself by waiting until january to apply

I was bored and anxious enough to just spend 10 minutes cutting and pasting from LSN to Excel. Here's the data:

Harvard LSN Applications, by Month

09 51 apps 171.5 LSAT average
10 100 apps 171.2 LSAT average
11 107 apps 171.5 LSAT average
12 42 apps 170.6 LSAT average
01 44 apps 167.8 LSAT average

So, applications peaked in November, and the January LSAT average is almost 4 points below the November average, and over 5 points below Harvard's median.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Doorkeeper » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:59 pm

Edit- Misread the above comment.
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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby bluenoser » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:03 pm

Nulli Secundus wrote:JS1 e-mail batches got smaller because I hear there are a total of 7 spots remaining for this year's class. (Image)


....Source?

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby thelong » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:03 pm

bluenoser wrote:
Nulli Secundus wrote:JS1 e-mail batches got smaller because I hear there are a total of 7 spots remaining for this year's class. (Image)


....Source?


You...you do know what the troll face indicates, right?

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:05 pm

Doorkeeper wrote:
AntipodeanPhil wrote:
Geneva wrote:it would be interesting to see the LSAT/GPA averages for "early" applicants vs. "late" applicants at different schools. i feel like i may have really sabotaged myself by waiting until january to apply

I was bored and anxious enough to just spend 10 minutes cutting and pasting from LSN to Excel. Here's the data:

Harvard LSN Applications, by Month

09 51 apps 171.5 LSAT average
10 100 apps 171.2 LSAT average
11 107 apps 171.5 LSAT average
12 42 apps 170.6 LSAT average
01 44 apps 167.8 LSAT average

So, applications peaked in November, and the January LSAT average is almost 4 points below the November average, and over 5 points below Harvard's median.


Maybe, as it seems to be the case this year, Harvard historically holds URM candidates with weaker numbers until later in the cycle to see how their diversity numbers are unfolding?

Sorry, this is not just acceptances, it's all applications, sorted into months by the 'Sent' date on LSN. I'll edit the above post to make that clearer.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Syme » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:37 pm

AntipodeanPhil wrote:I was bored and anxious enough to just spend 10 minutes cutting and pasting from LSN to Excel. Here's the data:

Harvard LSN Applications, by Month

09 51 apps 171.5 LSAT average
10 100 apps 171.2 LSAT average
11 107 apps 171.5 LSAT average
12 42 apps 170.6 LSAT average
01 44 apps 167.8 LSAT average

So, applications peaked in November, and the January LSAT average is almost 4 points below the November average, and over 5 points below Harvard's median.

Clarificatory note: these are all the Harvard applications posted on LSN (not just the acceptances), grouped into months by the 'Sent' date.


This is incredibly interesting.

I know the CW is that applying in say... November is better than applying in January in all cases. But I think there is probably a case to be made for the strategic value of a January app if you have a stellar LSAT. Coming across a fantastic score in an otherwise bleak landscape of below 25th apps could be a powerful advantage for the applicant.

Then again, probably just wishful thinking. See stats in profile for wishful thinking in action.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Doorkeeper » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:41 pm

Syme wrote:This is incredibly interesting.

I know the CW is that applying in say... November is better than applying in January in all cases. But I think there is probably a case to be made for the strategic value of a January app if you have a stellar LSAT. Coming across a fantastic score in an otherwise bleak landscape of below 25th apps could be a powerful advantage for the applicant.

Then again, probably just wishful thinking. See stats in profile for wishful thinking in action.


You have to remember that just because an application was submitted in Oct/Nov doesn't mean that the applicant got word before January, i.e. plenty of people with 173-176s were held this year. So maybe it might help in the initial review of your application, but I doubt it considering the quality of applicants being held simultaneously.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Byzantine » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:59 pm

captainwasabi09 wrote:No JS1 yet and my numbers are snazzy. *tear*


I believe you'll have one shortly. Your numbers are good, and I'm sure your application was stellar.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Aqua » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:05 pm

AntipodeanPhil wrote:
Geneva wrote:it would be interesting to see the LSAT/GPA averages for "early" applicants vs. "late" applicants at different schools. i feel like i may have really sabotaged myself by waiting until january to apply

I was bored and anxious enough to just spend 10 minutes cutting and pasting from LSN to Excel. Here's the data:

Harvard LSN Applications, by Month

09 51 apps 171.5 LSAT average
10 100 apps 171.2 LSAT average
11 107 apps 171.5 LSAT average
12 42 apps 170.6 LSAT average
01 44 apps 167.8 LSAT average

So, applications peaked in November, and the January LSAT average is almost 4 points below the November average, and over 5 points below Harvard's median.

Clarificatory note: these are all the Harvard applications posted on LSN (not just the acceptances), grouped into months by the 'Sent' date.


This is awesome! Thank you:) I can't wait to see the data for acceptances. I wonder how applying after December affects URM acceptances, if at all.




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