Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby ScoutFinch » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:10 pm

kulshan wrote:
mjitbswyd wrote:
Nulli Secundus wrote:Not that I am religiously defending my calculation which basically consists of thin air, but what makes you think less applicants does not mean less people on LSN and therefore less people with accepted statuses on LSN?

I think less applicants does not mean less admits. So the number of admits who report on LSN should not be affected by drop of application (it will be affected by drop of HLS class size, though).


I've tried to stop myself from saying this, but... fewer.



THANK YOU!

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Nulli Secundus » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:13 pm

ScoutFinch wrote:
kulshan wrote:
mjitbswyd wrote:
Nulli Secundus wrote:Not that I am religiously defending my calculation which basically consists of thin air, but what makes you think less applicants does not mean less people on LSN and therefore less people with accepted statuses on LSN?

I think less applicants does not mean less admits. So the number of admits who report on LSN should not be affected by drop of application (it will be affected by drop of HLS class size, though).


I've tried to stop myself from saying this, but... fewer.



THANK YOU!


Y'all should spend fewer time on being a grammar nazi.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby bk641 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:19 pm

Nulli Secundus wrote:Y'all should spend fewer time on being a grammar nazi.


now you're just doing that on purpose... :lol:

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby hypothalamus » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:35 pm

bk641 wrote:
Nulli Secundus wrote:Y'all should spend fewer time on being a grammar nazi.


now you're just doing that on purpose... :lol:


Nooooo! Really?

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby TexasWave » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:12 pm

Found out that Harvard put a hold on my application. Never had any school put a hold on me before, really not sure what to think about it.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby chucklesmcgee » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:08 pm

TexasWave wrote:Found out that Harvard put a hold on my application. Never had any school put a hold on me before, really not sure what to think about it.


When were you held? Join us at the held at Harvard thread and think with all of us: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=175633

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby ashika2212 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:42 pm

Forgive me for saying this but... why does everyone seem to be saying this is a brutal cycle for HLS? Based off LSN the magic 172+ 3.9+ for autoadmit / WL seems to still be true.. There were also quite a few outright dings last cycle with 3.8-3.9 and 173 as well..

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby Blessedassurance » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:47 pm

ashika2212 wrote:Forgive me for saying this but... why does everyone seem to be saying this is a brutal cycle for HLS? Based off LSN the magic 172+ 3.9+ for autoadmit / WL seems to still be true.. There were also quite a few outright dings last cycle with 3.8-3.9 and 173 as well..


Karen, is that you?

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby sharktankdean » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:47 pm

ashika2212 wrote:Forgive me for saying this but... why does everyone seem to be saying this is a brutal cycle for HLS? Based off LSN the magic 172+ 3.9+ for autoadmit / WL seems to still be true.. There were also quite a few outright dings last cycle with 3.8-3.9 and 173 as well..


I don't think people think its brutal...i think the word is 'different' or 'a little less predictable.'

I think people were just shocked by HP's rejection thats all. The other rejections have not been too shocking (If i may say). Since Harvard was silent for 3 weeks, it left the thread a little confused.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby sharktankdean » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:48 pm

Blessedassurance wrote:
ashika2212 wrote:Forgive me for saying this but... why does everyone seem to be saying this is a brutal cycle for HLS? Based off LSN the magic 172+ 3.9+ for autoadmit / WL seems to still be true.. There were also quite a few outright dings last cycle with 3.8-3.9 and 173 as well..


Karen, is that you?



LMAO

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby ashika2212 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:00 pm

sharktankdean wrote:
ashika2212 wrote:Forgive me for saying this but... why does everyone seem to be saying this is a brutal cycle for HLS? Based off LSN the magic 172+ 3.9+ for autoadmit / WL seems to still be true.. There were also quite a few outright dings last cycle with 3.8-3.9 and 173 as well..


I don't think people think its brutal...i think the word is 'different' or 'a little less predictable.'

I think people were just shocked by HP's rejection thats all. The other rejections have not been too shocking (If i may say). Since Harvard was silent for 3 weeks, it left the thread a little confused.


Disclaimer: I think HP is a wonderful person and I wish her the best of luck in this cycle and hopes she gets a million dollar scholarship to go to Yale/Stanford.

I think its mildly disconcerting that it was an outright ding but the only person that ultimately got in HLS from LSN in the past 3 cycles with a 3.87 and 173 that I could find had 3-4 years WE + any possible PS/LOR differences from HP.

The takeaway I got from this cycle (I'm 2 cycles away from applying lol.) is that KB is outright dinging applicants on the lower end who do not have exciting (in her personal opinion) LORs / PS / WE that would otherwise put them into the 'we dont care if you lower our median because we expect you to do great things' category.

Edit: Takeaway #2, WE only seems to be affecting borderline applicants, and there may be a heavier weight associated with GPA this cycle based on current (limited) data.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby thelawschoolproject » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:13 pm

Wait....HP as in Hawkeye Pierce? Is this who we're talking about?


ETA: ....dude's a dude.
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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby snehpets » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:14 pm

thelawschoolproject wrote:Wait....HP as in Hawkeye Pierce? Is this who we're talking about?


lol, yep. his profile still says female.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby sharktankdean » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:51 pm

ashika2212 wrote:
sharktankdean wrote:
ashika2212 wrote:Forgive me for saying this but... why does everyone seem to be saying this is a brutal cycle for HLS? Based off LSN the magic 172+ 3.9+ for autoadmit / WL seems to still be true.. There were also quite a few outright dings last cycle with 3.8-3.9 and 173 as well..


I don't think people think its brutal...i think the word is 'different' or 'a little less predictable.'

I think people were just shocked by HP's rejection thats all. The other rejections have not been too shocking (If i may say). Since Harvard was silent for 3 weeks, it left the thread a little confused.


Disclaimer: I think HP is a wonderful person and I wish her the best of luck in this cycle and hopes she gets a million dollar scholarship to go to Yale/Stanford.

I think its mildly disconcerting that it was an outright ding but the only person that ultimately got in HLS from LSN in the past 3 cycles with a 3.87 and 173 that I could find had 3-4 years WE + any possible PS/LOR differences from HP.

The takeaway I got from this cycle (I'm 2 cycles away from applying lol.) is that KB is outright dinging applicants on the lower end who do not have exciting (in her personal opinion) LORs / PS / WE that would otherwise put them into the 'we dont care if you lower our median because we expect you to do great things' category.

Edit: Takeaway #2, WE only seems to be affecting borderline applicants, and there may be a heavier weight associated with GPA this cycle based on current (limited) data.



I'm not sure u can say this because you have not read anyone's PS/LOR/WE and you do not know what KB thinks is exciting.

If you look at the non-URM candidates, apart from numbers there is really no clear indicator of why they got rejected.

When you turn your attention to URM candidates, i feel like she held 90% (of not more) of the URM pool. There are some rejection (especially the shocking 3.8/160) but apart from that there is no pattern.

I really think they came to some conclusion and they spent those 3 weeks doing something new that may play out for the rest of the cycle. At this point in time i'm not even sure if we will see KB1s this week. Prob a little later after the submission deadline, maybe the week of valentine's day.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby ashika2212 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:00 pm

Out of sheer boredom:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... npHZUdPV3c

Current cycle LSN data broken down by LSAT score from 170-180 for admits/rejections as well as overall statistics. URM data not yet added.

Of note: No rejection for 171+ and 3.88+

If anyone knows where hold data is available I can add that.

Edit: @sharktankdean: I agree in everything you said, except when we take away numbers, look at only K-JD, and assume everyone picked good reviewers we only have the PS left/things that make KB tingle.

Edit2: The spreadsheet doesn't provide anything new in my opinion, either superstats + 25% or be above medians or get lucky.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby sharktankdean » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:11 pm

ashika2212 wrote:Out of sheer boredom:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... npHZUdPV3c

Current cycle LSN data broken down by LSAT score from 170-180 for admits/rejections as well as overall statistics. URM data not yet added.

Of note: No rejection for 171+ and 3.88+

If anyone knows where hold data is available I can add that.

Edit: @sharktankdean: I agree in everything you said, except when we take away numbers, look at only K-JD, and assume everyone picked good reviewers we only have the PS left/things that make KB tingle.

Edit2: The spreadsheet doesn't provide anything new in my opinion, either superstats + 25% or be above medians or get lucky.



Go to the held at Harvard thread...i think there was a spread sheet there..

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby SoPro » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:43 pm

Anyone who went under review on or after 12/22 been either held, accepted, or rejected? Nothing but crickets here. Also, care to post/pm stats?

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby ashika2212 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:21 pm

Admit/Reject/Held Spreadsheet 2012

I would take the held stats with a grain of salt... a lot is probably trolls even more so than LSN due to the minimal effort required to submit fake stats in comparison to creating an LSN profile.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby snehpets » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:23 pm

ashika2212 wrote:Admit/Reject/Held Spreadsheet 2012

I would take the held stats with a grain of salt... a lot is probably trolls even more so than LSN due to the minimal effort required to submit fake stats in comparison to creating an LSN profile.


this is actually really awesome.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby thelawschoolproject » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:27 pm

snehpets wrote:
ashika2212 wrote:Admit/Reject/Held Spreadsheet 2012

I would take the held stats with a grain of salt... a lot is probably trolls even more so than LSN due to the minimal effort required to submit fake stats in comparison to creating an LSN profile.


this is actually really awesome.



I found my stats and smiled...although, I feel as if though there should be URM indicated....

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby thelong » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:31 pm

Oh hey, there's Tiago! That's about the only one I can pick out from memory.

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby PopTorts13 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:34 pm

174. & 3.9X. Have been hearing nothing but crickets since late December's complete email. Optimism is fun though. Best of luck all!

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby SoPro » Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:45 pm

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby ashika2212 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:07 am

Admit/Reject/Held Spreadsheet 2012

Updated to include URM status, URM descriptives, URM min/max admit/reject. Breakdown by LSAT not currently possible due to sample size (<10 for each category.)

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Re: Harvard 2012 applicants (class of 2015)

Postby FryBreadPower » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:11 am

ashika2212 wrote:Admit/Reject/Held Spreadsheet 2012

Updated to include URM status, URM descriptives, URM min/max admit/reject. Breakdown by LSAT not currently possible due to sample size (<10 for each category.)


4 URM accepts, 6 URM deny's, 11 URM helds

It also seems like reverse URM splitters have fared better (relative to small sample size) than traditional URM splitters.




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