fundamentallybroken wrote: Nancy_Botwin wrote: edgnarly wrote:
Nancy_Botwin wrote:Hey, all
Just want to share some advice and insight about Denver and DU Law. I went to DU as an undergrad (and considered law school there, too) and while tuition costs are on par with most private universities, the cost of living in Denver is pretty insane and the nightlife is severely lacking. I lived in a small apartment within walking distance to campus and paid $900+utilities, etc. And the sororities and frat houses are scattered throughout the area so you have that slice of fun to deal with September-June. $800-900 is pretty much the going rate for the 1-mile radius around campus. Downtown is a whole other story. Put a 1 in front of that $900.
Aaaaaaand the nightlife. We all have heard that in law school you spend all of your days in the library, but going out in Denver is a bit of a letdown. Lodo is fun and exciting the first few times you visit but the shinyness wears off fast and you see that you're crammed into some chain bar with trashy people you thought only existed on thedirty.com (don't get me started on Cherry Creek North. There are more empty storefronts than stores/restaurants).
Public transportation sucks (light rail is expanding but won't be completely up and running for 10+ years). Basically, there's a stop at the far end of the campus that takes you downtown and to the suburbs. It's a bit of a running joke in Denver.
Also, Denver has the most lawyers per capita behind Washington DC so competition for jobs after graduation are nearly impossible to come by. And for the bar passage rate and cost, you would be better off at CU Boulder.
I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but if I wasn't sure about DU Law, I would withdrawal and give someone else a shot at your spot. Denver is a nice place to visit, but at two hours from ANY skiing and a ridiculous cost of living, I would concentrate my efforts (and money) somewhere else.
That's just my two cents. I don't mean to offend anyone but this is just how I feel about Denver and DU. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask!
Huh? Somebody did not like Denver. Skiing is definetly not two hours from DU, I can get from my place in Breckenridge to DU's campus in 1.5 hours. I know a part time 1L at DU who is commuting from here to DU for class. Also, Eldora is even closer to Denver, Berthoud pass for any backcountry skiers or snowboarders is 1 to 1.5 hours, and winter park is just a bit further. Then you have echo mountain, which is maybe 45 minutes, but that is severely limited terrain if you aren't a park rat.
As far as nightlife goes, Denver has lots of bars, if you couldn't find one you liked, I'm thinking you don't like bars or you didn't branch out enough. There is also Red Rocks for concerts from May - September, Rockies games, nuggets games, avalanche games, plenty of stuff to do up in the mountains, lots of concerts at Denver's assorted venues, plus Boulder another 30 minutes up the road. Mrs. Botwin, I think you have been consuming too much of your product.
Anyway, I got bounced from DU, so I won't be joining you. On a side note, to all you snowboarders- Don't call it "boarding". You are a gaper if you do this.
Ok ok, I may have come across as harsh. I like Denver just fine. It's just not what most people think it is. It's not *in* the mountains -- 45 minutes to the foothills, 1.5 to good ski resorts without traffic. My point being: You can't just jump in your car and be on the slopes in 20 minutes. I've met so many people who were surprised that Denver is in the flat lands of Colorado.
As for the nightlife, there are
a lot of bars, just not the best crowd. I don't know what it is, I just don't get a good vibe.
I admit I got off track so I'll close with this: If you don't want to go to DU and you were accepted (or to any school for that matter), it would be best to withdrawal asap. I know of quite a few people out there biting their nails down to stumps waiting for their big/small envelopes. Please don't take this the wrong way. It's not my place to tell anyone what to do. Go to the school you feel is the best fit taking everything into account (city, price, bar passage rate, etc.).
STOP SAYING WITHDRAWAL. It's withdraw - if you're not sure, then withdraw.
And withdrawing doesn't necessarily magically open a spot - they accept far more than will ever matriculate, so withdrawing only gets them closer to the desired number of attendees come August. If someone is to withdraw now, it does nothing for anyone on the waitlist. Zilch, zero, nada.
Now, about your actual post: Who cares about nightlife? People are going to be going to law school, and won't be having much time to go out and drink it up every night. And if they do, I look forward to competing with their hungover asses every morning.
COL isn't cheap, but it's nothing compared to other cities on the east or west coasts. If you can't find a one bedroom for $550 or $600, you're either lazy and not looking hard enough or you're far too picky and spoiled for a college student. Find a roommate ffs.
Light rail to the west and commuter rail to the airport is slated to open by 2015. Not 10 years. Besides, if you can't make the light rail, the Colorado, Broadway, and Colfax buses work for where you want to go, you either need to buy a car or narrow down your travel plans.
Sorry, you made up the lawyers per capita thing. Straight pulled it out of your ass.
So, here's my guesses: you are either A) using an alt to rile people up (congrats!), or B) got a 150 on the LSAT, and were only 'considering' Denver Law, but wouldn't actually go there because you can't get in. Either way, cheers.
Sorry re: my improper use of "WITHDRAWAL." Old habits of being a CPA. No need to be a pretentious a-hole. But since we're towering above the rest on our high horses, "wait list" is two words. And, sure, withdrawing doesn't automatically open up a spot but it definitely helps other applicants.
And really? Creating a second account just to make people angry? If I were to make a second account, it would be to affirm my position, not negate my points about Denver and DU Law.
And Lightrail in Denver sucks. It's a sardine can during rush hour. Sure it's better than the alternative of having only buses 10 years ago, but the lines connecting to DU are limited and packed. Trust me, I've had to deal with it on a daily basis. And read a few pages back. People are talking about nightlife.
And I have no desire to spend $600 to sleep on a Murphy bed in my kitchen or live with 4 roommates. But I'm not 22 anymore and have no desire to live with anyone besides the mister. Do what you want, live where you want.
Oh, and the info about Denver having the second most attorneys per capita next to DC came from one of my professors last week at Georgetown (MSL program). So if I'm wrong on that one, I apologize. Don't call me a liar. I'm just telling you what my professor told me. I just know that there are loads of them in Denver. Colorado
is ranked 7th on this list: http://www.averyindex.com/lawyers_per_capita.php
but I'll do some digging on city rankings.
But I didn't post here to bring out hostility in people. I just wanted to give my honest opinion about the city and the school. I have two degrees from DU. I liked it but I just wanted to give my two cents and to let everyone know that it's not for everyone. I know that applying to law school is stressful and can bring out the worst in some people.