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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby Capitol A » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:28 pm

1 point. 2 schools had 60 out of 100 and U of A had 59 out of 100, so the next available number slot was 42.

Whatever...whoever has the most is the winner, right? Sort of like that pac10 championship game against Washington! :lol:

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby mala2 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:44 pm

I just don't think there is any real difference in quality. If ASU is better why is it so much easier to get into?

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby Capitol A » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:30 am

mala2 wrote:I just don't think there is any real difference in quality. If ASU is better why is it so much easier to get into?

Welcome to TLS Dean Ponoroff.
I'm just giving you a hard time...ASUs 25th LSAT is lower. Medians and 75ths are similar. UAs class size is smaller (150v200). Of course there is a tremendous amount of debate over whether selectivity=superiority. ASU has slightly better Reported employment #s.
All that being said, there is no significant difference; it's still fun to have a rivalry.
Edit: btw, many people argue that there is no difference in quality among any tier 1 that is outside the t14.

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby 2014JD1 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:23 pm

Anyone know if admissions is working through spring break?

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby AngelAuthor » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:11 pm

JonSanchez2009 wrote:For all of my future ASU colleagues, when I smell bad and look miserable, I apologize in advance! Here, the highest temperature rarely, if ever, in the 'blazing' dead of summer ever gets close to the highs in Arizona winters.

Once it was like 72 here and I thought I was surely going to melt. Maybe I actually will!

When we first moved here, as the plane was coming in for a landing at Sky Harbor airport, the captain announced that the current temperature was 105 degrees...it was SEVEN AT NIGHT! I anxiously looked out the window and I was honestly...

TRULY...

surprised for a minute that I didn't see the people walking around on the tarmac spontaneously bursting into flame.

My advice if you're going to move here in the summer (besides DON'T!) is:
1. Pay whatever extra to have movers actually unload your stuff and bring it into the house so you don't have to.
2. Stay indoors as much as possible during the day and only go out in the evenings and early mornings for the first few days to give your body a chance to get used to the dry heat.

Oh, and as far as smelling bad and looking miserable are concerned, if you are a person who usually showers at night (I was before I moved here, always seemed to make more sense to me to wash the day's dirt off before going to bed), you'll want to switch to morning showers. It helps keep you fresher throughout the day.

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby gaud » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:21 pm

2014JD1 wrote:Anyone know if admissions is working through spring break?


I know that some schools (William and Mary for example) have been giving out decisions this week....I'm hoping that means ASU is as well!!

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby AngelAuthor » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:05 pm

gaud wrote:
2014JD1 wrote:Anyone know if admissions is working through spring break?


I know that some schools (William and Mary for example) have been giving out decisions this week....I'm hoping that means ASU is as well!!

I doubt it. I know that Kathy went on vacation this week and I am almost positive the admissions office is closed.

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby Veyron » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:29 pm

AngelAuthor wrote:
JonSanchez2009 wrote:For all of my future ASU colleagues, when I smell bad and look miserable, I apologize in advance! Here, the highest temperature rarely, if ever, in the 'blazing' dead of summer ever gets close to the highs in Arizona winters.

Once it was like 72 here and I thought I was surely going to melt. Maybe I actually will!

When we first moved here, as the plane was coming in for a landing at Sky Harbor airport, the captain announced that the current temperature was 105 degrees...it was SEVEN AT NIGHT! I anxiously looked out the window and I was honestly...

TRULY...

surprised for a minute that I didn't see the people walking around on the tarmac spontaneously bursting into flame.

My advice if you're going to move here in the summer (besides DON'T!) is:
1. Pay whatever extra to have movers actually unload your stuff and bring it into the house so you don't have to.
2. Stay indoors as much as possible during the day and only go out in the evenings and early mornings for the first few days to give your body a chance to get used to the dry heat.

Oh, and as far as smelling bad and looking miserable are concerned, if you are a person who usually showers at night (I was before I moved here, always seemed to make more sense to me to wash the day's dirt off before going to bed), you'll want to switch to morning showers. It helps keep you fresher throughout the day.


It always surprises me how people can make the decision to go to school in AZ for three years knowing that the school they will be attending places primarily into the Arizona market (meaning that they will more than likely be working in AZ if they get a job) and NEVER have experienced > 75 degree temperatures.

Its like moving to Alaska never having been outside of AZ or moving to NYC and not knowing if one enjoys cities. The recklessness is overwhelming.

I am curious about your thought process here.

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby hector311 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:14 pm

Veyron wrote:
AngelAuthor wrote:
JonSanchez2009 wrote:For all of my future ASU colleagues, when I smell bad and look miserable, I apologize in advance! Here, the highest temperature rarely, if ever, in the 'blazing' dead of summer ever gets close to the highs in Arizona winters.

Once it was like 72 here and I thought I was surely going to melt. Maybe I actually will!

When we first moved here, as the plane was coming in for a landing at Sky Harbor airport, the captain announced that the current temperature was 105 degrees...it was SEVEN AT NIGHT! I anxiously looked out the window and I was honestly...

TRULY...

surprised for a minute that I didn't see the people walking around on the tarmac spontaneously bursting into flame.

My advice if you're going to move here in the summer (besides DON'T!) is:
1. Pay whatever extra to have movers actually unload your stuff and bring it into the house so you don't have to.
2. Stay indoors as much as possible during the day and only go out in the evenings and early mornings for the first few days to give your body a chance to get used to the dry heat.

Oh, and as far as smelling bad and looking miserable are concerned, if you are a person who usually showers at night (I was before I moved here, always seemed to make more sense to me to wash the day's dirt off before going to bed), you'll want to switch to morning showers. It helps keep you fresher throughout the day.


It always surprises me how people can make the decision to go to school in AZ for three years knowing that the school they will be attending places primarily into the Arizona market (meaning that they will more than likely be working in AZ if they get a job) and NEVER have experienced > 75 degree temperatures.

Its like moving to Alaska never having been outside of AZ or moving to NYC and not knowing if one enjoys cities. The recklessness is overwhelming.

I am curious about your thought process here.


I have lived in AZ for 20+ years. I've also lived in Europe and along the East Coast. I have never felt more miserable than a day in 100 degree heat with 90% humidity (Virginia). That said, it happened there for like 7 days total. While the dry heat is preferable to a sticky heat, just realize that you will be basking in this dry heat for months on end (nights included). That's what kills the residents...but hey maybe you'll get an externship in Utah or Colorado during the summer and the climate will be perfect for you year round.

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby AngelAuthor » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:16 pm

Veyron wrote:
It always surprises me how people can make the decision to go to school in AZ for three years knowing that the school they will be attending places primarily into the Arizona market (meaning that they will more than likely be working in AZ if they get a job) and NEVER have experienced > 75 degree temperatures.

Its like moving to Alaska never having been outside of AZ or moving to NYC and not knowing if one enjoys cities. The recklessness is overwhelming.

I am curious about your thought process here.

There's more to an ASU law degree than just the Arizona market, though. There's a guy in my class now who came from Alaska, which I think is patently nuts, but he's still alive after dealing with the heat last August. Unless you've lived through misery humidity as the previous poster has, there isn't much you can do to prepare yourself for Phoenix summers because, as he said, they are seemingly never-ending. Everywhere else that gets this heat (humid or otherwise), only has to deal with it for a few weeks or a month or so. Here, it's 3-4 months of nonstop pain. It's hard to even enjoy a 3:00AM stroll with your family.

Your only (comparable) alternatives in the southwest are a handful of the schools in CA (USC, UCSD, UCLA, etc.), which are all significantly more expensive and more difficult to get into. If anyone is interested in "the region", but wants to go more "middle of the road" as far as school rank and finances are concerned. ASU or UA are about your only non-limiting options.

My family and I moved here from Italy (originally from Los Angeles), having nothing to do with school. We didn't like the cost or the political climate of Los Angeles anymore and so weren't going back. I can't really answer to someone who was born and raised in saaaaaay...Montana, deciding to come down to ASU for school unless they're downright sick of their home state and are really striking out for an alternative. That's fine. That's how this country got built. You really gotta wonder at our ancestors who made these trips and settled without air conditioning in their covered wagons.

There's a reason they died off ~35 years old. :lol:

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby 2014JD1 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:32 pm

Spring break, what better to do while nursing my wounds than to dig into pending law school aps.

In honor of the new 2012 USNWR Rankings I have taken a few minutes and put together some acceptance numbers for ASU. Well… in honor of them and to satisfy my neurotic need to have some sort of numerical value to apply to just about everything; even when (much like USNWR) I have to find ways to creatively invent them with little statistical relevance. Yes, I am aware that all the holes in this analysis are enough to make swiss cheese look solid; however, it may still levy somewhat useful information should the reader chose to accept it. (I figure if we believe advertised employment/salary numbers why not believe this:) )

Let’s assume that LSN is a viable resource for admissions decisions (first of many gaping holes :)) Last year there were 140 applicants of which 50 (36%) reported being accepted. These 140 applicants comprise 5.6% of the 2500 total applications ASU received. According to LSN, ASU accepted 617 students last year (25% of total applicant pool) of which 193 matriculated (32% of accepted students).

If these ratios hold steady, what does that mean for us?

Currently LSN has 125 ASU applicants of which 19 have self reported to be accepted. With 125 applicants on LSN that would mean there will be aprx 2232 (5.6% of total applicants). This is roughly a 10% decline in applicants from last year which is consistent with general reports of law school application declines. Assuming the acceptance rate holds at 25% of the total applicant pool than ASU will accept 558 students. If LSN posters continue with their 36% acceptance rate that means 45 of them will be accepted in combination with another 513 non-LSN applicants.

So the nuts and bolts of this post… if you are not on LSN you should be. Apparently just being on their site gives you a 12% acceptance superiority (36% acceptance rate vs. 24% non-LSN acceptance rate ). I know several posters on this thread are also on LSN and I am sure they will be the first to tell us that simply being on LSN gave them the competitive advantage they needed to avoid the ding :) If 45 LSN users are to be accepted this year and 19 already have their pass than let’s hope we are among the remaining 26 LSN users that will make the cut.

Shit…I forgot to sign up while I was on their site.

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby haoledugan » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:17 pm

2014JD1 wrote:Spring break, what better to do while nursing my wounds than to dig into pending law school aps.

In honor of the new 2012 USNWR Rankings I have taken a few minutes and put together some acceptance numbers for ASU. Well… in honor of them and to satisfy my neurotic need to have some sort of numerical value to apply to just about everything; even when (much like USNWR) I have to find ways to creatively invent them with little statistical relevance. Yes, I am aware that all the holes in this analysis are enough to make swiss cheese look solid; however, it may still levy somewhat useful information should the reader chose to accept it. (I figure if we believe advertised employment/salary numbers why not believe this:) )

Let’s assume that LSN is a viable resource for admissions decisions (first of many gaping holes :)) Last year there were 140 applicants of which 50 (36%) reported being accepted. These 140 applicants comprise 5.6% of the 2500 total applications ASU received. According to LSN, ASU accepted 617 students last year (25% of total applicant pool) of which 193 matriculated (32% of accepted students).

If these ratios hold steady, what does that mean for us?

Currently LSN has 125 ASU applicants of which 19 have self reported to be accepted. With 125 applicants on LSN that would mean there will be aprx 2232 (5.6% of total applicants). This is roughly a 10% decline in applicants from last year which is consistent with general reports of law school application declines. Assuming the acceptance rate holds at 25% of the total applicant pool than ASU will accept 558 students. If LSN posters continue with their 36% acceptance rate that means 45 of them will be accepted in combination with another 513 non-LSN applicants.

So the nuts and bolts of this post… if you are not on LSN you should be. Apparently just being on their site gives you a 12% acceptance superiority (36% acceptance rate vs. 24% non-LSN acceptance rate ). I know several posters on this thread are also on LSN and I am sure they will be the first to tell us that simply being on LSN gave them the competitive advantage they needed to avoid the ding :) If 45 LSN users are to be accepted this year and 19 already have their pass than let’s hope we are among the remaining 26 LSN users that will make the cut.

Shit…I forgot to sign up while I was on their site.



+1 and then some. I love this! What if we join LSN more than once, i.e., under multiple usernames and email accounts? lol.

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby gaud » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:56 pm

haoledugan wrote:
2014JD1 wrote:Spring break, what better to do while nursing my wounds than to dig into pending law school aps.

In honor of the new 2012 USNWR Rankings I have taken a few minutes and put together some acceptance numbers for ASU. Well… in honor of them and to satisfy my neurotic need to have some sort of numerical value to apply to just about everything; even when (much like USNWR) I have to find ways to creatively invent them with little statistical relevance. Yes, I am aware that all the holes in this analysis are enough to make swiss cheese look solid; however, it may still levy somewhat useful information should the reader chose to accept it. (I figure if we believe advertised employment/salary numbers why not believe this:) )

Let’s assume that LSN is a viable resource for admissions decisions (first of many gaping holes :)) Last year there were 140 applicants of which 50 (36%) reported being accepted. These 140 applicants comprise 5.6% of the 2500 total applications ASU received. According to LSN, ASU accepted 617 students last year (25% of total applicant pool) of which 193 matriculated (32% of accepted students).

If these ratios hold steady, what does that mean for us?

Currently LSN has 125 ASU applicants of which 19 have self reported to be accepted. With 125 applicants on LSN that would mean there will be aprx 2232 (5.6% of total applicants). This is roughly a 10% decline in applicants from last year which is consistent with general reports of law school application declines. Assuming the acceptance rate holds at 25% of the total applicant pool than ASU will accept 558 students. If LSN posters continue with their 36% acceptance rate that means 45 of them will be accepted in combination with another 513 non-LSN applicants.

So the nuts and bolts of this post… if you are not on LSN you should be. Apparently just being on their site gives you a 12% acceptance superiority (36% acceptance rate vs. 24% non-LSN acceptance rate ). I know several posters on this thread are also on LSN and I am sure they will be the first to tell us that simply being on LSN gave them the competitive advantage they needed to avoid the ding :) If 45 LSN users are to be accepted this year and 19 already have their pass than let’s hope we are among the remaining 26 LSN users that will make the cut.

Shit…I forgot to sign up while I was on their site.



+1 and then some. I love this! What if we join LSN more than once, i.e., under multiple usernames and email accounts? lol.



Ofcourse that will work! I am no astronaut but I have always been under the assumption that more shares gave better odds (i.e. raffle tickets, lotto tickets). lol

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby azbio » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:47 pm

Got my packet today!! $15,000 1L and $10,000 2L (nothing 3L)

My numbers: 3.82, 163, non-URM, in-state

Now I'm mostly trying to choose between ASU and BYU

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby haoledugan » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:38 pm

azbio wrote:Got my packet today!! $15,000 1L and $10,000 2L (nothing 3L)

My numbers: 3.82, 163, non-URM, in-state

Now I'm mostly trying to choose between ASU and BYU


Congrats!

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby JonSanchez2009 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:29 am

Veyron wrote:
It always surprises me how people can make the decision to go to school in AZ for three years knowing that the school they will be attending places primarily into the Arizona market (meaning that they will more than likely be working in AZ if they get a job) and NEVER have experienced > 75 degree temperatures.

Its like moving to Alaska never having been outside of AZ or moving to NYC and not knowing if one enjoys cities. The recklessness is overwhelming.

I am curious about your thought process here.


Immigration and Indian Law are really interesting and ASU has pretty decent programs for each. That and it was the highest ranked school I got into. :)

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby gaud » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:50 am

azbio wrote:Got my packet today!! $15,000 1L and $10,000 2L (nothing 3L)

My numbers: 3.82, 163, non-URM, in-state

Now I'm mostly trying to choose between ASU and BYU




Congrats!!

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby Veyron » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:30 pm

JonSanchez2009 wrote:
Veyron wrote:
It always surprises me how people can make the decision to go to school in AZ for three years knowing that the school they will be attending places primarily into the Arizona market (meaning that they will more than likely be working in AZ if they get a job) and NEVER have experienced > 75 degree temperatures.

Its like moving to Alaska never having been outside of AZ or moving to NYC and not knowing if one enjoys cities. The recklessness is overwhelming.

I am curious about your thought process here.


Immigration and Indian Law are really interesting and ASU has pretty decent programs for each. That and it was the highest ranked school I got into. :)


*Is a 0L*
*Has not yet learned that all prestige is regional and that specialty rankings mean nothing*
*Will burn for his mistake*

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby TommyK » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:51 pm

Veyron wrote:
JonSanchez2009 wrote:
Veyron wrote:
It always surprises me how people can make the decision to go to school in AZ for three years knowing that the school they will be attending places primarily into the Arizona market (meaning that they will more than likely be working in AZ if they get a job) and NEVER have experienced > 75 degree temperatures.

Its like moving to Alaska never having been outside of AZ or moving to NYC and not knowing if one enjoys cities. The recklessness is overwhelming.

I am curious about your thought process here.


Immigration and Indian Law are really interesting and ASU has pretty decent programs for each. That and it was the highest ranked school I got into. :)


*Is a 0L*
*Has not yet learned that all prestige is regional and that specialty rankings mean nothing*
*Will burn for his mistake*


TBF, he didn't say specialty rankings. Do they even rank indian law? He (i assume poster is a he - sorry if I'm wrong) said they had good programs. rankings =/= quality. And if that's something you're passionate about, it makes sense to go to a school that has a large catalogue of classes with in that small field.

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby Veyron » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:14 pm

TommyK wrote:
Veyron wrote:
JonSanchez2009 wrote:
Veyron wrote:
It always surprises me how people can make the decision to go to school in AZ for three years knowing that the school they will be attending places primarily into the Arizona market (meaning that they will more than likely be working in AZ if they get a job) and NEVER have experienced > 75 degree temperatures.

Its like moving to Alaska never having been outside of AZ or moving to NYC and not knowing if one enjoys cities. The recklessness is overwhelming.

I am curious about your thought process here.


Immigration and Indian Law are really interesting and ASU has pretty decent programs for each. That and it was the highest ranked school I got into. :)


*Is a 0L*
*Has not yet learned that all prestige is regional and that specialty rankings mean nothing*
*Will burn for his mistake*


TBF, he didn't say specialty rankings. Do they even rank indian law? He (i assume poster is a he - sorry if I'm wrong) said they had good programs. rankings =/= quality. And if that's something you're passionate about, it makes sense to go to a school that has a large catalogue of classes with in that small field.


Ok, look at it this way then, is OP more likely to get a job in either field out of ASU in (a) Arizona, (b) New York, (c) Mississippi?

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby Capitol A » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:06 pm

Ok, look at it this way then, is OP more likely to get a job in either field out of ASU in (a) Arizona, (b) New York, (c) Mississippi?



Is it C?

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby Veyron » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:21 pm

Capitol A wrote:
Ok, look at it this way then, is OP more likely to get a job in either field out of ASU in (a) Arizona, (b) New York, (c) Mississippi?



Is it C?


We have a winner!

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby JonSanchez2009 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:09 pm

Veyron wrote:quote="Veyron"]
*Is a 0L*
*Has not yet learned that all prestige is regional and that specialty rankings mean nothing*
*Will burn for his mistake*

[Ok, look at it this way then, is OP more likely to get a job in either field out of ASU in (a) Arizona, (b) New York, (c) Mississippi?


(d) Alaska, where ASU is within the west coast region (no law schools in Alaska) and nobody tends to go into immigration and/or indian law despite the local need.

:) I will get sunburned in Arizona, so you got me there.

Specialty ranking/quality mean a lot cause that's the field I'd like to work in cause it's interesting to me. Had U of Minnesota or Cornell accepted instead of waitlisted, I would have gone there instead!

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby Veyron » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:16 pm

JonSanchez2009 wrote:
Veyron wrote:quote="Veyron"]
*Is a 0L*
*Has not yet learned that all prestige is regional and that specialty rankings mean nothing*
*Will burn for his mistake*

[Ok, look at it this way then, is OP more likely to get a job in either field out of ASU in (a) Arizona, (b) New York, (c) Mississippi?


(d) Alaska, where ASU is within the west coast region (no law schools in Alaska) and nobody tends to go into immigration and/or indian law despite the local need.

:) I will get sunburned in Arizona, so you got me there.

Specialty ranking/quality mean a lot cause that's the field I'd like to work in cause it's interesting to me. Had U of Minnesota or Cornell accepted instead of waitlisted, I would have gone there instead!


Alaska is sui generis, a polar bear with a J.D. could get a job there :wink: .

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Re: Arizona State 2011

Postby JonSanchez2009 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:28 pm

I'm hoping my ASU JD will differentiate me from all of the Lewis and Clark and Williamette grads.




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