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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby twocuphabit » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:52 pm

massattack wrote:I've had an interesting debate about this...I don't know if it has been discussed on this thread:

Would you take GSU full ride over Emory 1/2 scholarship?


Absolutely! But then, I wouldn't consider Emory. I went there as an undergrad and don't like the environment at all. I also don't want to practice in Big Law.

GSU (according to their admissions office) is consistently rising in the rankings, if that's a concern. They are building a new law school, as well, and I can only think that will improve things. :)

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby massattack » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:05 pm

twocuphabit wrote:
massattack wrote:I've had an interesting debate about this...I don't know if it has been discussed on this thread:

Would you take GSU full ride over Emory 1/2 scholarship?


Absolutely! But then, I wouldn't consider Emory. I went there as an undergrad and don't like the environment at all. I also don't want to practice in Big Law.

GSU (according to their admissions office) is consistently rising in the rankings, if that's a concern. They are building a new law school, as well, and I can only think that will improve things. :)


Well, I'm not really interested in Biglaw anyways...but the possibility of it from Emory is nice. I know GSU is a great school, however, I'm worried about the competition even in MidLaw/SmallLaw between GSU, UGA, and Emory, while concerned mostly with the competition between the two former and the latter.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby uwgbluedevil » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:34 pm

I think if your goal was to leave Georgia it would obviously be better to go to Emory. However, if you want Georgia and particularly Atlanta, i think GSU is a fine choice. But its probably pretty close. I'm not sure what Emory's tuition would be at half price though. I know that Emory recently had some issues I think with it's employment and it fell in the rankings (not that the rankings matter all that much outside of the top 5-15 schools).

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby massattack » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:48 pm

uwgbluedevil wrote:I think if your goal was to leave Georgia it would obviously be better to go to Emory. However, if you want Georgia and particularly Atlanta, i think GSU is a fine choice. But its probably pretty close. I'm not sure what Emory's tuition would be at half price though. I know that Emory recently had some issues I think with it's employment and it fell in the rankings (not that the rankings matter all that much outside of the top 5-15 schools).


Total, with room and board....$60,000 (this encapsulates all three years of law school)
That's how much debt I'll be in total from Emory.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby antneymatt » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:17 pm

massattack wrote:I've had an interesting debate about this...I don't know if it has been discussed on this thread:

Would you take GSU full ride over Emory 1/2 scholarship?


Well, as everything, I think it really depends on your goals. If you really want a shot at a major law firm or you really want to work outside of the region then you would definitely choose Emory. Someone who is set on living in the Atlanta area or is not so rigid about working at a major law firm would definitely choose GSU because the financial situation is so much better.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby clemson09 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:44 pm

I grew up in Atlanta so I figured I would give my 2 ¢ ... Pretty much has been said already but

Emory- Obviously higher ranked school, great if you want to practice up north; not the best for the south

GSU- Great if you want to work in Atlanta. Good relationships with local big law and better if you want to work in the public sector.

I might argue that GSU has just as good, if not better, jobs prospects in the Atlanta area when compared to Emory. However, if you go outside a 100 mile radius of Atlanta, Emory wins hands down...

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby antneymatt » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:49 pm

clemson09 wrote:I grew up in Atlanta so I figured I would give my 2 ¢ ... Pretty much has been said already but

Emory- Obviously higher ranked school, great if you want to practice up north; not the best for the south

GSU- Great if you want to work in Atlanta. Good relationships with local big law and better if you want to work in the public sector.

I might argue that GSU has just as good, if not better, jobs prospects in the Atlanta area when compared to Emory. However, if you go outside a 100 mile radius of Atlanta, Emory wins hands down...


I'm also an Atlanta native.

I think this is basically true. I've heard that most of the Emory folks leave Atlanta because they want to, not because they have trouble competing or anything. I think an Emory grad who wanted to stay in Atlanta would do very well compared to a GSU grad.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby Impatient » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:22 pm

GSU's campuses has tons of homeless. Going to class is like walking through a scene of The Walking Dead. Pretty sure Emory doesnt have that issue, although their campus is shit too.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby tchan4269 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:47 pm

twocuphabit wrote:
massattack wrote:
GSU (according to their admissions office) is consistently rising in the rankings, if that's a concern.


Minus this year....

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby athenian » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:14 pm

clemson09 wrote:I grew up in Atlanta so I figured I would give my 2 ¢ ... Pretty much has been said already but

Emory- Obviously higher ranked school, great if you want to practice up north; not the best for the south

GSU- Great if you want to work in Atlanta. Good relationships with local big law and better if you want to work in the public sector.

I might argue that GSU has just as good, if not better, jobs prospects in the Atlanta area when compared to Emory. However, if you go outside a 100 mile radius of Atlanta, Emory wins hands down...



What?

Emory is a terrible fit for the North... unless you're already from the Northeast and have tangible connections back home. Emory doesn't magically compete with Fordham or George Washington in NYC and DC respectively.

Emory is not the best for the South? Sure, when you compare it to UVA, Duke or Vandy, Emory is at a disadvantage. However, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a law firm in the South that doesn't think Emory is an excellent school. I'm also having trouble grasping how Emory's reputation can carry it up North, but not throughout the Southeast.

You are spot on about GSU being a good fit if you want to work in Atlanta or in the metro area. If you have pre-existing connections to the smaller markets in Georgia (Augusta, Columbus, Macon, Savannah), then a GSU degree can serve you well there.

GSU has good connections with local big law and with the folks making hiring decisions in the public sector, but those connections aren't better than the connections that UGA and Emory have with those same entities.

A previous poster made a good point about some Emory students self-selecting away. While that accounts for some of the students, the fact remains that if, an Emory student wanted, he or she could beat out a GSU student of equal rank for any job in Atlanta.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby clemson09 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:26 pm

athenian wrote: I'm also having trouble grasping how Emory's reputation can carry it up North, but not throughout the Southeast.


I was stating an opinion. Of the Emory law grads/ students I have met the majority have graduated and moved out of Georgia (approx 3 or 4 out of 5). Not a huge sample but IMO significant.

athenian wrote: the fact remains that if, an Emory student wanted, he or she could beat out a GSU student of equal rank for any job in Atlanta.


I would tend to agree with this if employers were judging based solely on what is on paper. 2 points... 1) I cant speak with a high degree of accuracy but it seems the consensus is that Emory and GSU have an equal number of connections with firms in Atlanta. 2) I am not a law student yet nor do I want to start a pissing fight, but let me pose a question. If you were picking a school based on where you could graduate with the highest rank, would you pick Emory or GSU? My answer would be GSU. Hence it might be easier to be of "equal rank" or higher ranked at GSU than Emory.

These two facts considered, the question then becomes who has a better chance, higher ranked at GSU with no debt or lower ranked at Emory with debt? (Sorry had to throw $$$ in the mix :) )

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby tchan4269 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:56 pm

athenian wrote: the fact remains that if, an Emory student wanted, he or she could beat out a GSU student of equal rank for any job in Atlanta.


+1

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby athenian » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:01 pm

clemson09 wrote:
athenian wrote: I'm also having trouble grasping how Emory's reputation can carry it up North, but not throughout the Southeast.


I was stating an opinion. Of the Emory law grads/ students I have met the majority have graduated and moved out of Georgia (approx 3 or 4 out of 5). Not a huge sample but IMO significant.

athenian wrote: the fact remains that if, an Emory student wanted, he or she could beat out a GSU student of equal rank for any job in Atlanta.


I would tend to agree with this if employers were judging based solely on what is on paper. 2 points... 1) I cant speak with a high degree of accuracy but it seems the consensus is that Emory and GSU have an equal number of connections with firms in Atlanta. 2) I am not a law student yet nor do I want to start a pissing fight, but let me pose a question. If you were picking a school based on where you could graduate with the highest rank, would you pick Emory or GSU? My answer would be GSU. Hence it might be easier to be of "equal rank" or higher ranked at GSU than Emory.

These two facts considered, the question then becomes who has a better chance, higher ranked at GSU with no debt or lower ranked at Emory with debt? (Sorry had to throw $$$ in the mix :) )


Never pick a school because you think you can rank higher.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby antneymatt » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:08 pm

athenian wrote:
clemson09 wrote:
athenian wrote: I'm also having trouble grasping how Emory's reputation can carry it up North, but not throughout the Southeast.


I was stating an opinion. Of the Emory law grads/ students I have met the majority have graduated and moved out of Georgia (approx 3 or 4 out of 5). Not a huge sample but IMO significant.

athenian wrote: the fact remains that if, an Emory student wanted, he or she could beat out a GSU student of equal rank for any job in Atlanta.


I would tend to agree with this if employers were judging based solely on what is on paper. 2 points... 1) I cant speak with a high degree of accuracy but it seems the consensus is that Emory and GSU have an equal number of connections with firms in Atlanta. 2) I am not a law student yet nor do I want to start a pissing fight, but let me pose a question. If you were picking a school based on where you could graduate with the highest rank, would you pick Emory or GSU? My answer would be GSU. Hence it might be easier to be of "equal rank" or higher ranked at GSU than Emory.

These two facts considered, the question then becomes who has a better chance, higher ranked at GSU with no debt or lower ranked at Emory with debt? (Sorry had to throw $$$ in the mix :) )


Never pick a school because you think you can rank higher.


I agree, in fact I hear a lot of 2 and 3L's talk about how class rankings seem totally arbitrary. Some of the most seemingly bright students end up ranking below where they expect.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby BeaverHunter » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:13 pm

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby twocuphabit » Mon May 02, 2011 7:00 pm

So, I decided today to withdraw from consideration at John Marshall. I'd been offered only a 7k scholarship, and they refused to budge. Michael Lozano told me that their scholarship system was on a strict LSAT grid. For instance, to get 10k, I'd have to have a 160. Personally, I think it's ridiculous. How are they going to become more competitive if they don't incent those with higher LSATs, etc? I mean, even with a 154, I'm still in the 75% there!

In any case, I'm going to ride the GSU waitlist to the bitter end. If I don't make it this cycle, I'm retaking the LSAT after taking a prep course, trying to get a few things adjusted to raise my undergrad GPA (don't ask, it's long and convoluted), and will work on developing some kickass relationships for recs.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby uwgbluedevil » Mon May 02, 2011 10:29 pm

twocuphabit wrote:So, I decided today to withdraw from consideration at John Marshall. I'd been offered only a 7k scholarship, and they refused to budge. Michael Lozano told me that their scholarship system was on a strict LSAT grid. For instance, to get 10k, I'd have to have a 160. Personally, I think it's ridiculous. How are they going to become more competitive if they don't incent those with higher LSATs, etc? I mean, even with a 154, I'm still in the 75% there!

In any case, I'm going to ride the GSU waitlist to the bitter end. If I don't make it this cycle, I'm retaking the LSAT after taking a prep course, trying to get a few things adjusted to raise my undergrad GPA (don't ask, it's long and convoluted), and will work on developing some kickass relationships for recs.


probably a good idea. good luck with the waitlist. I hope we have a chance to be classmates.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby Roxybsr » Thu May 05, 2011 7:41 am

So checked my status today on their site and now I'm listed as priority wait list. Sounds good! I hope so! :D

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby twocuphabit » Thu May 05, 2011 9:59 am

Roxybsr wrote:So checked my status today on their site and now I'm listed as priority wait list. Sounds good! I hope so! :D


Roxy, I just checked, and I have the same status! I am so excited!!! I hope that you and I will be classmates this fall. :)

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby antneymatt » Thu May 05, 2011 10:00 am

Roxybsr wrote:So checked my status today on their site and now I'm listed as priority wait list. Sounds good! I hope so! :D


I finally called yesterday to find out what priority wait list means. Apparently it just means that you have confirmed that you want to be on the wait list. I had to send in the bottom half of my letter to confirm my wait list status.

I was a little bummed. I was hoping it meant something better. Good luck though.

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby xxair15xx » Mon May 16, 2011 2:43 am

Impatient wrote:GSU's campuses has tons of homeless. Going to class is like walking through a scene of The Walking Dead. Pretty sure Emory doesnt have that issue, although their campus is shit too.



I agree

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby akealon » Thu May 19, 2011 8:11 am

Does anyone know when the latest round of seat deposits were/are due for those of us hanging out on the waitlist?

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby twocuphabit » Thu May 19, 2011 8:46 am

akealon wrote:Does anyone know when the latest round of seat deposits were/are due for those of us hanging out on the waitlist?


Dr. George is handling a conference/ group on campus and going out of town sometime this month. She gave me the impression that she wouldn't be making any decisions during this time.

We should see some movement on the list in June. The last deposits are due 5/27, and they give 7 days for mail lags. I was told to make contact after 6/6 if I hadn't heard anything.

HTH! :)

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby twocuphabit » Thu May 19, 2011 9:04 am

I just noticed this in my notes from my meeting with Dr. George:

73 waits
190 deposits

I *THINK* that means that there are 73 on the waitlist for day, and that there are 190 deposits down in the day program. I'm not sure if that's FT, PT, or both. I'm sorry I don't have more info - I forgot I had this, and have now forgotten what my scribbles mean! :lol:

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Re: Georgia State University - 2011 Applicants

Postby clemson09 » Thu May 19, 2011 9:11 am

From my conversations with her... She said they are over-full in the day program by 17 seats right now. FWIW she told me the last seat deposit was due on the 20th and mid to late june they would know for sure where they have availability for waitlist




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