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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby rebelx13 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:10 pm

Applied 3/1, LEOP, and IN (got phone call last Thurs, acceptance letter later that day, but no packet just yet)!!! No word on financials yet, however.

Also, for those that went to ASD, more info would be golden! I don't think I can make the April date since my employer won't let me get the day off :/
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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby Lasers » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:11 pm

rubbersoul89 wrote:Just got back from the ASD and I must admit, I was really impressed! Before I went I was leaning more towards Davis, but now I am seriously thinking about Hastings.

By the way, I heard that we should be getting emails (or maybe letters?) about financial aid on monday because they were compiling all of the info on Friday. I'm pretty sure the girl I talked to go this info from one of the Deans, so I think it's pretty reliable.

What did everyone else who was there think of the ASD?

i was leaning towards davis after the us news rankings were released, then back to 50/50 after looking closer at the 2009 employment numbers.

after the ASD, it's 75/25 in favor of hastings. i wasn't expecting much, but i was thoroughly impressed. dean wu is quite the public speaker, and a younger dean seems like a great move. secondly, the facilities were better than expected, despite the drab first auditorium. thirdly, the lunch was the most revealing experience of the event; not because of the food, but because interacting with the students and numerous professors was a great experience. the professors seemed genuinely caring and outgoing, and the students answered questions honestly and helpfully.there seemed to be a very strong sense of community within the student body, and between students and teachers.

i broached the topic of davis' rising rank when talking to a professor, and he told me it was due largely to davis' sketchy employment percentages (as speculated by most people here) and that hastings, under dean wu, had recently made active strides towards helping their rankings including making class size smaller (after studying and breaking down us news' methodology).

lastly, location is a huge factor. hastings' location is great, and when compared to davis, its ideal location is even more pronounced. the tenderloin gets a bad rep, but if you're used to any semblance of urban life, it's fine, especially during the day. i am attending davis' ASD on april 9th, but they have their work cut out for them if they intend to change my mind once again.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby rubbersoul89 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:34 pm

Lasers wrote:
rubbersoul89 wrote:Just got back from the ASD and I must admit, I was really impressed! Before I went I was leaning more towards Davis, but now I am seriously thinking about Hastings.

By the way, I heard that we should be getting emails (or maybe letters?) about financial aid on monday because they were compiling all of the info on Friday. I'm pretty sure the girl I talked to go this info from one of the Deans, so I think it's pretty reliable.

What did everyone else who was there think of the ASD?

i was leaning towards davis after the us news rankings were released, then back to 50/50 after looking closer at the 2009 employment numbers.

after the ASD, it's 75/25 in favor of hastings. i wasn't expecting much, but i was thoroughly impressed. dean wu is quite the public speaker, and a younger dean seems like a great move. secondly, the facilities were better than expected, despite the drab first auditorium. thirdly, the lunch was the most revealing experience of the event; not because of the food, but because interacting with the students and numerous professors was a great experience. the professors seemed genuinely caring and outgoing, and the students answered questions honestly and helpfully.there seemed to be a very strong sense of community within the student body, and between students and teachers.

i broached the topic of davis' rising rank when talking to a professor, and he told me it was due largely to davis' sketchy employment percentages (as speculated by most people here) and that hastings, under dean wu, had recently made active strides towards helping their rankings including making class size smaller (after studying and breaking down us news' methodology).

lastly, location is a huge factor. hastings' location is great, and when compared to davis, its ideal location is even more pronounced. the tenderloin gets a bad rep, but if you're used to any semblance of urban life, it's fine, especially during the day. i am attending davis' ASD on april 9th, but they have their work cut out for them if they intend to change my mind once again.


I completely agree.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby ProfitsProphets » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:09 pm

rebelx13 wrote:Applied 3/1, LEOP, and IN (got phone call last Thurs, acceptance letter later that day, but no packet just yet)!!! No word on financials yet, however.

Also, for those that went to ASD, more info would be golden! I don't think I can make the April date since my employer won't let me get the day off :/


Congrats! Applied 3/1, LEOP, no word yet.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby rebelx13 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:40 pm

ProfitsProphets wrote:
rebelx13 wrote:Applied 3/1, LEOP, and IN (got phone call last Thurs, acceptance letter later that day, but no packet just yet)!!! No word on financials yet, however.

Also, for those that went to ASD, more info would be golden! I don't think I can make the April date since my employer won't let me get the day off :/


Congrats! Applied 3/1, LEOP, no word yet.


thanks! what happens if you miss ASD? can you make up getting whatever info is provided on a later date (i know that there's no way to make up the networking, but i'd like to try and be on the same page as everyone)

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby drdolittle » Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:34 pm

rebelx13 wrote:thanks! what happens if you miss ASD? can you make up getting whatever info is provided on a later date (i know that there's no way to make up the networking, but i'd like to try and be on the same page as everyone)

Absolutely. Don't worry about missing out on networking, very little of that goes on at ASDs in my experience. ASDs and school visits are really for getting a gut "feel" about a school's environment from walking around campus, interacting with admin, profs, and students.

Hastings should have another ASD in a couple weeks, April 9th I think. Otherwise, contact admissions and ask for a guided tour, maybe sit in on a class or two (--LinkRemoved--). But if you have any doubts whatsoever about where to go, definitely try to visit schools, even if you cannot make ASDs.

Btw, don't be intimidated by the prospect of sitting in on classes at Hastings. It's quite common, you won't be singled out or embarrassed in any way. You'll just take a seat in the back or wherever and nobody will look at you twice. And observing a class full of law students hoping not to get cold called might be kind of entertaining too.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby rebelx13 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:36 am

drdolittle wrote:
rebelx13 wrote:thanks! what happens if you miss ASD? can you make up getting whatever info is provided on a later date (i know that there's no way to make up the networking, but i'd like to try and be on the same page as everyone)

Absolutely. Don't worry about missing out on networking, very little of that goes on at ASDs in my experience. ASDs and school visits are really for getting a gut "feel" about a school's environment from walking around campus, interacting with admin, profs, and students.

Hastings should have another ASD in a couple weeks, April 9th I think. Otherwise, contact admissions and ask for a guided tour, maybe sit in on a class or two (--LinkRemoved--). But if you have any doubts whatsoever about where to go, definitely try to visit schools, even if you cannot make ASDs.

Btw, don't be intimidated by the prospect of sitting in on classes at Hastings. It's quite common, you won't be singled out or embarrassed in any way. You'll just take a seat in the back or wherever and nobody will look at you twice. And observing a class full of law students hoping not to get cold called might be kind of entertaining too.


Thank you! I'm glad that i'm not necessarily "missing much," but i thing getting a feel for the school is definitely the right thing to do. if my boss still won't let me go on the 9th, i'm definitely going to take a guided tour (hopefully classroom sit in as well) on a weekend date.

i've heard that a lot of professors at hastings discourage/ban laptops from class for notetaking. is this true? i cant imagine having to handwrite my notes...not only do i go slower, but the quality is vastly inferior to my typed notes as well.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby drdolittle » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:09 am

rebelx13 wrote:Thank you! I'm glad that i'm not necessarily "missing much," but i thing getting a feel for the school is definitely the right thing to do. if my boss still won't let me go on the 9th, i'm definitely going to take a guided tour (hopefully classroom sit in as well) on a weekend date.

i've heard that a lot of professors at hastings discourage/ban laptops from class for notetaking. is this true? i cant imagine having to handwrite my notes...not only do i go slower, but the quality is vastly inferior to my typed notes as well.

Hey, no problem. Best of luck with your decision.

None of my profs have banned laptops, and I haven't heard of any others imposing a ban either, at least for 1L. Though just about all of my profs have made short, largely ineffective speeches about the importance of using computers only to take notes in class. I think they can tell when people tune out to check email, etc...But this is as far as their discouragement goes in my experience.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby chihuahua12 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:10 am

Just withdrew. Good luck to those waiting :)

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby pensky5000 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:20 pm

Lasers wrote:
rubbersoul89 wrote:Just got back from the ASD and I must admit, I was really impressed! Before I went I was leaning more towards Davis, but now I am seriously thinking about Hastings.

By the way, I heard that we should be getting emails (or maybe letters?) about financial aid on monday because they were compiling all of the info on Friday. I'm pretty sure the girl I talked to go this info from one of the Deans, so I think it's pretty reliable.

What did everyone else who was there think of the ASD?

i was leaning towards davis after the us news rankings were released, then back to 50/50 after looking closer at the 2009 employment numbers.

after the ASD, it's 75/25 in favor of hastings. i wasn't expecting much, but i was thoroughly impressed. dean wu is quite the public speaker, and a younger dean seems like a great move. secondly, the facilities were better than expected, despite the drab first auditorium. thirdly, the lunch was the most revealing experience of the event; not because of the food, but because interacting with the students and numerous professors was a great experience. the professors seemed genuinely caring and outgoing, and the students answered questions honestly and helpfully.there seemed to be a very strong sense of community within the student body, and between students and teachers.

i broached the topic of davis' rising rank when talking to a professor, and he told me it was due largely to davis' sketchy employment percentages (as speculated by most people here) and that hastings, under dean wu, had recently made active strides towards helping their rankings including making class size smaller (after studying and breaking down us news' methodology).

lastly, location is a huge factor. hastings' location is great, and when compared to davis, its ideal location is even more pronounced. the tenderloin gets a bad rep, but if you're used to any semblance of urban life, it's fine, especially during the day. i am attending davis' ASD on april 9th, but they have their work cut out for them if they intend to change my mind once again.


Couldn't agree more with your comparison and your conclusions. Davis has their work cut out for them for me, too!

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby ilovesf » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:22 pm

Thanks for posting your comments guys. I am really excited now to go to their ASD April 9th!

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby javier627 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:10 pm

I got in to Hastings but did not apply to Davis b/c of its location--I just like being in the city and Davis is too far out in the sticks for me. I was at the Admitted Students Day on Sat. and was also impressed. Dean Wu is def. a firebrand! And the more I look at the employment numbers in US News the more skeptical I get about Davis's figures. I mean, really, am I supposed to believe that Davis's employment at graduation is 96%, higher than Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Chicago, Michigan, Berkeley, etc? REALLY? In this legal market? I hope anyone who is going to a Davis admitted student event really presses them to explain their numbers. I just don't buy them and it seems to me they've just concocted them to inflate their overall ranking. Frankly, if that's what they feel they need to do to promote their school, then I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby ProfitsProphets » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:22 pm

I suppose making it past the springbreak cut is a good thing?

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby lulucrazy » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:15 pm

I'm really leaning towards Hastings at this point although I'm worried about the cost of living and also the huge number of crackheads that hang out right behind the school...anyone debating between living at the tower or commuting?

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby rubbersoul89 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:17 pm

lulucrazy wrote:I'm really leaning towards Hastings at this point although I'm worried about the cost of living and also the huge number of crackheads that hang out right behind the school...anyone debating between living at the tower or commuting?


I was debating, but after attending the ASD I have decided to live in the tower if I choose Hastings. There are security escorts and vans if needed and it seems to be the most convenient option for 1L.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby pensky5000 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:21 pm

lulucrazy wrote:I'm really leaning towards Hastings at this point although I'm worried about the cost of living and also the huge number of crackheads that hang out right behind the school...anyone debating between living at the tower or commuting?


I'm actually thinking about not living in the tower. The convenience is definitely and obviously a plus, but I can't imagine spending so much time just between only three buildings. As convenient as it would be, I think I would enjoy a short commute to school so that I can see more than just that one block on a daily basis.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby lulucrazy » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:42 pm

pensky5000 wrote:
lulucrazy wrote:I'm really leaning towards Hastings at this point although I'm worried about the cost of living and also the huge number of crackheads that hang out right behind the school...anyone debating between living at the tower or commuting?


I'm actually thinking about not living in the tower. The convenience is definitely and obviously a plus, but I can't imagine spending so much time just between only three buildings. As convenient as it would be, I think I would enjoy a short commute to school so that I can see more than just that one block on a daily basis.



What's a good neighborhood in SF to live in??? My experience with SF has been so mixed it seems that the city can change block by block...I just want to feels safe at home!! At 9am on a Friday morning just on the street behind the school I witnessed: a person in handcuffs being detained by police, two prostitutes yelling at each other ("bitch, I'mma get ma money from you, hoe!!"), a man in a baby stroller with dare I say piss stained cardboard under him, a group of bums/crackheads/dealers, etc. watching two others fight, not to mention the swarms that harass you for money you have to pass through to cross the street...I've lived in a large urban city before and am familiar with homelessness/mental illness/drug use--but this was on a whole new level.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby ProfitsProphets » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:43 pm

lulucrazy wrote:I'm really leaning towards Hastings at this point although I'm worried about the cost of living and also the huge number of crackheads that hang out right behind the school...anyone debating between living at the tower or commuting?


Well, neither one of your concerns will change between now and the time you graduate, so maybe you should "lean" towards a school more aligned with your preferences.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby Borhas » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:47 pm

lulucrazy wrote:
pensky5000 wrote:
lulucrazy wrote:I'm really leaning towards Hastings at this point although I'm worried about the cost of living and also the huge number of crackheads that hang out right behind the school...anyone debating between living at the tower or commuting?


I'm actually thinking about not living in the tower. The convenience is definitely and obviously a plus, but I can't imagine spending so much time just between only three buildings. As convenient as it would be, I think I would enjoy a short commute to school so that I can see more than just that one block on a daily basis.



What's a good neighborhood in SF to live in??? My experience with SF has been so mixed it seems that the city can change block by block...I just want to feels safe at home!! At 9am on a Friday morning just on the street behind the school I witnessed: a person in handcuffs being detained by police, two prostitutes yelling at each other ("bitch, I'mma get ma money from you, hoe!!"), a man in a baby stroller with dare I say piss stained cardboard under him, a group of bums/crackheads/dealers, etc. watching two others fight, not to mention the swarms that harass you for money you have to pass through to cross the street...I've lived in a large urban city before and am familiar with homelessness/mental illness/drug use--but this was on a whole new level.


I live in Forest Hill/West Portal... perfectly safe, posh neighborhood. 25-35 minute commute (including time it takes to walk to Muni station). Cole Valley, Lower Haight, Noe Valley, Marina are very nice.. but really, any place other than Tenderloin/Civic Center doesn't have safety or homeless smell issues issues (except Hunters Point I guess).

As for beggars... that's something that you'll just have to get used to.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby lulucrazy » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:50 pm

ProfitsProphets wrote:
lulucrazy wrote:I'm really leaning towards Hastings at this point although I'm worried about the cost of living and also the huge number of crackheads that hang out right behind the school...anyone debating between living at the tower or commuting?


Well, neither one of your concerns will change between now and the time you graduate, so maybe you should "lean" towards a school more aligned with your preferences.


I was merely trying to get opinions on how people deal with these two very important issues when attending a school like Hastings. And might I add: cost of living and safety should be on EVERYONE'S list of "preferences".

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby lulucrazy » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:50 pm

Borhas wrote:
lulucrazy wrote:
pensky5000 wrote:
lulucrazy wrote:I'm really leaning towards Hastings at this point although I'm worried about the cost of living and also the huge number of crackheads that hang out right behind the school...anyone debating between living at the tower or commuting?


I'm actually thinking about not living in the tower. The convenience is definitely and obviously a plus, but I can't imagine spending so much time just between only three buildings. As convenient as it would be, I think I would enjoy a short commute to school so that I can see more than just that one block on a daily basis.



What's a good neighborhood in SF to live in??? My experience with SF has been so mixed it seems that the city can change block by block...I just want to feels safe at home!! At 9am on a Friday morning just on the street behind the school I witnessed: a person in handcuffs being detained by police, two prostitutes yelling at each other ("bitch, I'mma get ma money from you, hoe!!"), a man in a baby stroller with dare I say piss stained cardboard under him, a group of bums/crackheads/dealers, etc. watching two others fight, not to mention the swarms that harass you for money you have to pass through to cross the street...I've lived in a large urban city before and am familiar with homelessness/mental illness/drug use--but this was on a whole new level.


I live in Forest Hill/West Portal... perfectly safe, posh neighborhood. 25-35 minute commute (including time it takes to walk to Muni station). Cole Valley, Lower Haight, Noe Valley, Marina are very nice.. but really, any place other than Tenderloin/Civic Center doesn't have safety or homeless smell issues issues (except Hunters Point I guess).

As for beggars... that's something that you'll just have to get used to.


Thanks for the input! I will check those places out.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby ProfitsProphets » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:57 pm

When I first moved to the City nearly 10 years ago, I wasnt used to such a diverse walk of life that can be found on a given stroll through the tenderloin. However, as unpleasing as the sights can be at times, rarely will anyone bother you or even look your way, other than the usual "Have any spare change" requests.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby ProfitsProphets » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:01 pm

lulucrazy wrote:
ProfitsProphets wrote:
lulucrazy wrote:I'm really leaning towards Hastings at this point although I'm worried about the cost of living and also the huge number of crackheads that hang out right behind the school...anyone debating between living at the tower or commuting?


Well, neither one of your concerns will change between now and the time you graduate, so maybe you should "lean" towards a school more aligned with your preferences.


I was merely trying to get opinions on how people deal with these two very important issues when attending a school like Hastings. And might I add: cost of living and safety should be on EVERYONE'S list of "preferences".


Maybe you should address your concerns in a less judgmental way (crackheads). FYI, Hastings does a lot of work in the tenderloin, so if you're uncomfortable being near people that are different than you, then Hastings is not for you.
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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby rubbersoul89 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:02 pm

For those that already attend Hastings, what are the evening escort services like? I saw that there are SFPD walking escorts as well as vans. Do people use them? I feel like as a girl I wouldn't feel comfortable walking even the few blocks to the parking garage alone at night so the police escorts sound like a great idea.

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Re: UC Hastings 2011

Postby Borhas » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:18 pm

rubbersoul89 wrote:For those that already attend Hastings, what are the evening escort services like? I saw that there are SFPD walking escorts as well as vans. Do people use them? I feel like as a girl I wouldn't feel comfortable walking even the few blocks to the parking garage alone at night so the police escorts sound like a great idea.


Plenty of my friends use the shuttle/van or have guards escort them. They'll escort you to the muni or bus station and wait for ya to get a ride if you want. But the more convenient option is the van/shuttle. They'll drive you anywhere within one mile of the school (which is in range of a ton of housing options). I think that the shuttle runs every 30 min to hour at night. I've never used it though, but it's very useful.




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