Villanova 2011

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby oreo3405 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:46 am

haleydee wrote:in review has been updated for the third time to 3/13


Second IR update for me 2/14 > 3/13

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby rs2004 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:59 pm

my reconsideration email worked. went from $0 to $20,000 dean's merit scholarship, renewable each year with a 3.2 gpa stipulation.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby lsatextreme » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:02 pm

so if my IC is stuck at 1/14, and there's people who's ICs are changing multiple times since then, then I can pretty much safely assume that it's not going to work out right

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby ktg808 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:10 pm

rs2004 wrote:my reconsideration email worked. went from $0 to $20,000 dean's merit scholarship, renewable each year with a 3.2 gpa stipulation.


:shock:
incredible!

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby rs2004 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:21 pm

can anyone tell me if villanova is stringent on their standards for applying for in-state rates like temple is?

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby beach_terror » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:24 pm

rs2004 wrote:can anyone tell me if villanova is stringent on their standards for applying for in-state rates like temple is?

What? There is no in-state tuition for Villanova. It's a private school.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby stayway » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:25 pm

rs2004 wrote:my reconsideration email worked. went from $0 to $20,000 dean's merit scholarship, renewable each year with a 3.2 gpa stipulation.


Told ya emailing works

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby rs2004 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:29 pm

beach_terror wrote:
rs2004 wrote:can anyone tell me if villanova is stringent on their standards for applying for in-state rates like temple is?

What? There is no in-state tuition for Villanova. It's a private school.


you're right. was reading the PA proposed budget on friday and thought i saw villanova in one of the state-funded schools. never mind.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby mt1042 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:05 pm

rs2004 wrote:my reconsideration email worked. went from $0 to $20,000 dean's merit scholarship, renewable each year with a 3.2 gpa stipulation.


Anyway you could talk Temple into giving me your scholly there? :wink:

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby sch0123 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:12 pm

Just withdrew. Good luck to you guys!

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby rs2004 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:33 pm

mt1042 wrote:
rs2004 wrote:my reconsideration email worked. went from $0 to $20,000 dean's merit scholarship, renewable each year with a 3.2 gpa stipulation.


Anyway you could talk Temple into giving me your scholly there? :wink:


i am leaning towards temple though. i would be paying less if i go there, provided that i get their instate rate after much scheming, and that the budget proposal doesn't drastically affect that rate.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby SrLaw » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:12 pm

Where is my scholarship.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby irishvt14 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:39 pm

SrLaw wrote:Where is my scholarship.


+1

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby ran12 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:33 pm

Nova to 84

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby beach_terror » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:38 pm

ran12 wrote:Nova to 84

Yeah, but doesn't reflect jack shit in reality. Still lame though.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby Lawlskool » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:56 pm

It's funny, the only people that seem to give 2 shits about the rankings are the schools and the 0Ls. I bet the vast majority of students couldn't tell you what the rank of their respective school is from year to year, nor could the overwhelming majority of employers, outside the top 10-15 (meaning these year-to-year fluctuations are pretty f'ing worthless and irrelevant).

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby kk19131 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:05 am

I'm still a fan of Nova.

Full tuition is hard to pass up! :D

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby stayway » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:02 am

kk19131 wrote:I'm still a fan of Nova.

Full tuition is hard to pass up! :D


Dude, thats awesome. If you like Philly, I'd take that offer in a heart beat.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby CChuff » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:46 am

That ranking is hard to swallow. The ranking, however, may be greatly due to low reporting numbers from recent graduates. We are only reporting 46.8% Graduates known to be employed at graduation. Most schools are way higher. That is killing us. Luckily, I think that is something that can be fixed. We just need to do a better job soliciting responses from recent graduates.


We did, however, remain in the top forty in NLJ250 rankings. Released February 28, 2011.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202483173162&LAW_SCHOOLS_REPORT&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby rs2004 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:52 am

CChuff wrote:That ranking is hard to swallow. The ranking, however, may be greatly due to low reporting numbers from recent graduates. We are only reporting 46.8% Graduates known to be employed at graduation. Most schools are way higher. That is killing us. Luckily, I think that is something that can be fixed. We just need to do a better job soliciting responses from recent graduates.


We did, however, remain in the top forty in NLJ250 rankings. Released February 28, 2011.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202483173162&LAW_SCHOOLS_REPORT&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1


what the heck - 46.8%?!

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby CChuff » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:56 am

rs2004 wrote:
CChuff wrote:That ranking is hard to swallow. The ranking, however, may be greatly due to low reporting numbers from recent graduates. We are only reporting 46.8% Graduates known to be employed at graduation. Most schools are way higher. That is killing us. Luckily, I think that is something that can be fixed. We just need to do a better job soliciting responses from recent graduates.


We did, however, remain in the top forty in NLJ250 rankings. Released February 28, 2011.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202483173162&LAW_SCHOOLS_REPORT&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1


what the heck - 46.8%?!



That is not reflective of graduates actually hired. It does reflect the poor job Villanova has done in soliciting responses from recent graduates however. I am certain that under the current administration this will improve.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby irishvt14 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:00 am

yeah, it's definitely a low number but try to remember that some people might not have responded at all and that plays into how low that number is.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby mikeyp » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:59 am

CChuff wrote:We did, however, remain in the top forty in NLJ250 rankings. Released February 28, 2011.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202483173162&LAW_SCHOOLS_REPORT&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1


We should all think about this for a second...

NLJ ranks "The law schools that yielded the highest percentage of graduates hired by NLJ 250 firms."

US News "ranks" according to things like opinion surveys, student profiles, acceptance rate, bar passage rates, and other things like faculty expenditures, library volumes.

I don't care how much the torts professor spends on binders, or how many applicants the school rejects, or what other law schools think about my law school. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm in this for the job.

So, which ranking do YOU really care about?

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby kopper » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:13 am

mikeyp wrote:
CChuff wrote:We did, however, remain in the top forty in NLJ250 rankings. Released February 28, 2011.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202483173162&LAW_SCHOOLS_REPORT&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1


We should all think about this for a second...

NLJ ranks "The law schools that yielded the highest percentage of graduates hired by NLJ 250 firms."

US News "ranks" according to things like opinion surveys, student profiles, acceptance rate, bar passage rates, and other things like faculty expenditures, library volumes.

I don't care how much the torts professor spends on binders, or how many applicants the school rejects, or what other law schools think about my law school. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm in this for the job.

So, which ranking do YOU really care about?


I think this makes a very strong point. Especially if the NLJ 250 rankings are more steady than the USNWR rankings. The fluctuations of rankings in USNWR from year to year seem arbitrary especially when you see a steady ranking of NLJ 250 employment. I think it is strong evidence of what some have claimed about the year to year USNWR changes in rankings have little, if any, impact on employment.

At least for me the employment statistics are more compelling.

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Re: Villanova 2011

Postby irishvt14 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:14 am

^Definitely. For those that want big law, NLJ rankings are more important. Some of us don't want big law, however, and so they don't mean much. On the flipside, if you're not going for big law, U.S. news rankings are basically irrelevant too. Get good grades, make connections, don't be a waste of space in law school. Go to a school that has a good program for what you want to do. And avoid debt if possible. Outside of the T-14 and maybe the top 25 (this has been said a thousand times before me) rankings are meaningless.




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