nonprofit-prophet wrote: JazzOne wrote:
JTMan wrote:In-State is definitely a huge advantage, remember they only accept 35% (max) out of state students, and given the volume of out of state applicants, the competition there is MUCH higher than in-state.
I know we all want quantitative projections but thats all I have for you.
I recall reading somewhere that Dean Ingram made the exact opposite argument. Despite the fact that there are more spots for in-state applicants, there are disproportionately more applicants from Texas. So, admissions may in fact be more competitive for in-state applicants.
This doesn't make sense to me. Since the number of in-state slots is a slot floor, not a ceiling, they could fill the entire class with only in-state students (if there were enough in-state applicants with the numbers to do so). That essentially means that while in-state applicants are somewhat insulated within their own pool, out of state applicants would be measured against the entire applicant pool. Therefore, the out of state applicant pool would always be more competitive, regardless of how competitive the in-state pool is (which I totally agree is very competitive to begin with).
What I think you are not taking account of is the effect of in-state tuition. It's essentially a scholarship offered to every in-state admit compared to every OOS admit. So if we compare a Texas resident with good numbers to an OOS resident with the same numbers, the offer from UT will be much more attractive to the Texas resident. OOS admits with good numbers will have equally atractive offers from other schools. Even if you say, well, a lot of OOS applicants get IS tuition. Sure, but that differential is also offered to IS admits in the form of scholarship money.
I don't have any stats to confirm. All I can say is that there is no way in hell I'd be at UT if I wasn't from Texas. My numbers were competitive at much higher ranked schools. One of my friends on LR who's from Texas (who posts here, BTW), got into Harvard, but he chose to come to UT instead. That's not uncommon at UT.
I don't really know why I debate this point since no one knows without the statistics. I just want to point out that in-state applicants may not get any advantage at all, and there are some rational stories we could tell that would suggest in-state applicants are actually taking the worst of it in terms of admissions.