Cardozo 2011

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby 2011Cycle » Fri May 27, 2011 5:21 pm

blacklawboss wrote:
2011Cycle wrote:For those who have applied for housing in the Alabama, notifications are being sent out. I received mine today.


Are you staying there?


So far it's the bird in the hand -- 5 minute walk from Whole Foods and Trader Joe's is great selling point.

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby IH21 » Tue May 31, 2011 12:19 pm

Anyone else on the waitlist get the e-mail today asking to reaffirm interest?

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby dariamorgendorffer » Tue May 31, 2011 12:39 pm

IH21 wrote:Anyone else on the waitlist get the e-mail today asking to reaffirm interest?


I got that email, but I was never officially "waitlisted," just still on hold. Is there even a difference at this point?

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby nmmski » Tue May 31, 2011 1:42 pm

I was accepted off of the waitlist last week, just a few hours after sending a LOCI. You should expect a lot of movement after June 1st. If you are still interested in attending, reaffirm your interest in a timely fashion...they will probably accept you.
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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby 2011Cycle » Tue May 31, 2011 2:31 pm

May 27th was the second deposit deadline

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby jokerman » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:15 pm

I am torn... My GF and I originally were both going to move to NYC, but she did not get into her publishing program and so she plans to stay in Chicago another year. I am WL'd at Cardozo but got into Chicago-Kent. The problem is the GF, whom I have serious interest in marrying one day is likely going to have to go to NYC at some point to get into publishing. Thus the problem is what do I do? Stay in Chicago or go to NYC if I get into Cardozo?

Thoughts!

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby Woods, Elle » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:42 pm

Considering you're in at Chicago, I think you have to plan on going there.

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby blacklawboss » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:19 pm

Does Dozo's IP program rank 5th in the nation amongst law schools beating out NYU and Columbia?

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby law's cool » Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:14 pm

blacklawboss wrote:Does Dozo's IP program rank 5th in the nation amongst law schools beating out NYU and Columbia?


According to the (relatively meaningless) US News Specialty Rankings, yes. But if a student from NYU or Columbia wants an IP job, he/she will get it over the Cardozo grad almost every time.

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby blsingindisguise » Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:27 pm

law's cool wrote:
blacklawboss wrote:Does Dozo's IP program rank 5th in the nation amongst law schools beating out NYU and Columbia?


According to the (relatively meaningless) US News Specialty Rankings, yes. But if a student from NYU or Columbia wants an IP job, he/she will get it over the Cardozo grad almost every time.


+1, and this cannot be emphasized enough.

I think the source of confusion may be the US News ranking of academic "departments" at universities, which are actually distinct units, so that a university generally ranked #50 could in fact have the #2 philosophy or economics department. This is highly meaningful for a masters or Ph.D. and should be taken very seriously in those contexts.

For a law degree, however, the law school itself is the equivalent of the academic "department." So-called "programs" within the law school have a relatively minor impact on your experience, and more importantly, your employability. A highly ranked "IP program" is probably at best going to mean an extra course or two, maybe a special clinic, maybe a star prof. But any reputable law school is going to offer you roughly the same IP coursework, some kind of IP clinic opportunity (not to mention that you can always do externships), and you can learn stuff like copyright, trademark and patent from virtually any competent, articulate professor -- in fact it will be taught relatively similarly wherever you take it.

Further, employers know that even if you do an extra clinic and take an extra course, that doesn't make you all that much more qualified for a job -- it demonstrates interest and gives you a slight head start, but ultimately most of what you need to learn will be on the job. And overall school ranking is still considered a better indicator of "raw" qualification (for better or for worse) than a school's "programs."

Long-winded way of saying that an "IP program" is mostly a marketing tool. It may make your experience slightly more enjoyable but it is 100% trumped by overall school stature.

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby jokerman » Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:52 pm

blsingindisguise wrote:
law's cool wrote:
blacklawboss wrote:Does Dozo's IP program rank 5th in the nation amongst law schools beating out NYU and Columbia?


According to the (relatively meaningless) US News Specialty Rankings, yes. But if a student from NYU or Columbia wants an IP job, he/she will get it over the Cardozo grad almost every time.


+1, and this cannot be emphasized enough.

I think the source of confusion may be the US News ranking of academic "departments" at universities, which are actually distinct units, so that a university generally ranked #50 could in fact have the #2 philosophy or economics department. This is highly meaningful for a masters or Ph.D. and should be taken very seriously in those contexts.

For a law degree, however, the law school itself is the equivalent of the academic "department." So-called "programs" within the law school have a relatively minor impact on your experience, and more importantly, your employability. A highly ranked "IP program" is probably at best going to mean an extra course or two, maybe a special clinic, maybe a star prof. But any reputable law school is going to offer you roughly the same IP coursework, some kind of IP clinic opportunity (not to mention that you can always do externships), and you can learn stuff like copyright, trademark and patent from virtually any competent, articulate professor -- in fact it will be taught relatively similarly wherever you take it.

Further, employers know that even if you do an extra clinic and take an extra course, that doesn't make you all that much more qualified for a job -- it demonstrates interest and gives you a slight head start, but ultimately most of what you need to learn will be on the job. And overall school ranking is still considered a better indicator of "raw" qualification (for better or for worse) than a school's "programs."

Long-winded way of saying that an "IP program" is mostly a marketing tool. It may make your experience slightly more enjoyable but it is 100% trumped by overall school stature.


Though not directly linked to IP, there is one exception to the rule (for now at least) which is ADR (alternative dispute resolution) opportunities. Not every school offers great ADR opportunities as it is (as I understand it) relatively new and very attractive to employers.

Additionally, though it only accounts for maybe 2-3 jobs, going where a superstar prof is means the prof likely has unique connections in their field to lucrative opportunities that can only be attained by knowing that specific prof. However, this still maybe accounts for 2-3 jobs, if not typically 1 a year.

just my 2 cents... overall you are quite right

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby neptunestar » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:10 pm

Any pulse here?

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby nmmski » Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:17 pm

There are still spots available, but the class is nearly full.

Admitted students received an email to that effect today

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby auroojgulzar » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:31 am

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Thanks!

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby steviejanowski » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:38 pm

Did everyone on the WL get the email yesterday asking if you are still interested?

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby lulumore » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:38 am

I have paid the full deposit at Cardozo and is very likely to attend it, but I am also on the wait list of College of W&M and would go to it if offered a position. Now Cardozo asked me to respond with their response choices (as the following). Should I be honest about it? I think the chance to be accepted to W&M is small.

A. I will definitely enroll at Cardozo this August. I am not holding a place on any other school's wait list, and am certain that I will attend Cardozo.

B. It is very likely that I will enroll at Cardozo this August. However, I am currently on the wait list at _______________ Law School(s), and, if admitted, I may choose to withdraw from Cardozo. I will inform you immediately if I have any change in my enrollment plans.

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby 2011Cycle » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:41 am

Answer truthfully.

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby DJsm20 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:23 am

lulumore wrote:I have paid the full deposit at Cardozo and is very likely to attend it, but I am also on the wait list of College of W&M and would go to it if offered a position. Now Cardozo asked me to respond with their response choices (as the following). Should I be honest about it? I think the chance to be accepted to W&M is small.

A. I will definitely enroll at Cardozo this August. I am not holding a place on any other school's wait list, and am certain that I will attend Cardozo.

B. It is very likely that I will enroll at Cardozo this August. However, I am currently on the wait list at _______________ Law School(s), and, if admitted, I may choose to withdraw from Cardozo. I will inform you immediately if I have any change in my enrollment plans.


I am in similar situation but waitlisted at a different school. I was surprised by email and initially felt uncomfortable letting them know but did answer truthfully. I mean they are not going to take back offer but I suppose it can help them plan for possible spots opening up for their waitlisted students. I still have a glimmer of hope getting off waitlist (although fading a little each day) so this would trickle down to somebody getting my spot at Cardozo.

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby nymario » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:49 am

Tell them. It benefits other students on the waitlist at Cardozo -- since they'll probably be able to make an educated guess (based on *aggregate* responses) and admit them earlier than they otherwise would. Wouldn't you want the schools you're waitlisted at to do something similar, rather than have to scramble at the end of the month? The sooner everything shakes out the better

There is almost zero harm to you in telling them you are on a waitlist. Perhaps they admit an extra student and are over-enrolled that marginal bit because of it. But that extra student was a marginal admit, which is statistically likely to benefit you on the curve. The potential downside (marginally decreased quality of a oversubscribed section and overall lessening to the school's reputation) is, in my opinion, lower.

Keep in mind that all this is so statistically insignificant as to be irrelevant. The main thing is that nobody outside of admissions (who won't give it a second thought as they plow into their January-entry and then class of 2015 once the class of 2014 is formed) will have any idea that you had preferred a different school before entering.

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby asparagus18 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:22 am

Just as a historical reference--- this happened to my son (rising Cardozo 2L) last year. I don't remember if it was May or June, probably June. He had paid full deposit at one school and was on seven or eight waiting lists. Cardozo called on a Thursday and asked him his status. He was truthful. Cardozo asked him, if we offered you admission, would you withdraw from all other waiting lists? He asked them for a few days to think about it, then called and said yes. The following day he was offered admission.

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Re: Cardozo 2011

Postby blacklawboss » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:46 am

Drafting my withdrawal letter today. I wish you guys the best GREAT F*@KING SCHOOL!




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