WUSTL 2011 Cycle

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby Magnolia » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:11 pm

bdubs wrote:
splitmuch wrote:
bdubs wrote:
Justathought wrote:
Wasn't a comment about your school or major. Just that if you know you want to go to law school it is easy to game the admissions system, whereas those who weren't planning for a career in the law probably chose classes much more pragmatically and didn't fret as much over the difference between an A and A- are now forced to compensate.

The system is what it is, but doesn't have to be that way. See Stanford and Berkeley.

Wait, is your point here that Stanford and Berkeley are more forgiving when it comes to low GPA's?


Yeah this confused me too. Certainly they are holistic, but they restrict those holistic looks to those that mean very strident (and IMO dumb) GPA guidelines.


Stanford and Berkeley are some of the only schools that don't seem to be formulaic, I wasn't suggesting that they don't care about GPAs.

Although a high GPA doesn't seem to guarantee you anything at S (not so sure about B since I didn't really look into it very hard).

No, a high GPA doesn't guarantee you anything at S or B (or anywhere else, for that matter). A low GPA will doom you though, and it'll do so faster at S and B than most other schools. S and B are only holistic if you already meet their numerical standards.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby bdubs » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:15 pm

Magnolia wrote:No, a high GPA doesn't guarantee you anything at S or B (or anywhere else, for that matter). A low GPA will doom you though, and it'll do so faster at S and B than most other schools. S and B are only holistic if you already meet their numerical standards.


From SLS admissions viewbook: GPA range 3.29-4.18

I wouldn't say that 3.29 is overly stringent for a school that is in the top 3. Harvard probably wouldn't let in a 3.29.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby tinlawman » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:18 pm

bdubs wrote:
Magnolia wrote:No, a high GPA doesn't guarantee you anything at S or B (or anywhere else, for that matter). A low GPA will doom you though, and it'll do so faster at S and B than most other schools. S and B are only holistic if you already meet their numerical standards.


From SLS admissions viewbook: GPA range 3.29-4.18

I wouldn't say that 3.29 is overly stringent for a school that is in the top 3. Harvard probably wouldn't let in a 3.29.


Every school is holistic to a point. I bet someone like Mark Zuckerberg could get into HYS with a 3.2 and 168 LSAT.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby JCougar » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:22 pm

kblueboi wrote:
kk19131 wrote:Is St. Louis a fun place to be a student?


http://www.faqs.org/shareranks/994,Highest-Murder-Rate-US-Cities

just saying ...


I wouldn't take that too seriously. Because of St. Louis' specific geography, it artificially inflates the murder rate. It's an old city, and the city limits are drawn abnormally small. There's some pretty bad swaths that aren't averaged out by the outlying areas that other cities have, IOW. St. Louis has a TON of suburbs...I think around 70 or so. They're all relatively close in, and consist of low-murder areas that would be normally counted as part of the city anywhere else...averaging out the rate. There are definitely bad areas, but the school is in a pretty decent neighborhood, University City is pretty heavily patrolled, and so is the Central West End. The really bad areas are on the north side, and there's no reason you'd have to ever go through there.

There's people out jogging, biking, walking, shopping and drinking all day and all night in the WUSTL neighborhood and surrounding areas. The media's portrayal of St. Louis really irritates me (that and the fact that they don't have any idea how to analyze statistics). Overall, it's really no different from any other big city. There are some good areas, there are some bad areas.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby Justathought » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:22 pm

tinlawman wrote:
bdubs wrote:
Magnolia wrote:No, a high GPA doesn't guarantee you anything at S or B (or anywhere else, for that matter). A low GPA will doom you though, and it'll do so faster at S and B than most other schools. S and B are only holistic if you already meet their numerical standards.


From SLS admissions viewbook: GPA range 3.29-4.18

I wouldn't say that 3.29 is overly stringent for a school that is in the top 3. Harvard probably wouldn't let in a 3.29.


Every school is holistic to a point. I bet someone like Mark Zuckerberg could get into HYS with a 3.2 and 168 LSAT.


I don't know if he graduated, but I assume all he'd need is a B.A. and a library.

In this economy, perhaps just some guaranteed 1L summer internships. :mrgreen:

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby Magnolia » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:25 pm

tinlawman wrote:
bdubs wrote:
Magnolia wrote:No, a high GPA doesn't guarantee you anything at S or B (or anywhere else, for that matter). A low GPA will doom you though, and it'll do so faster at S and B than most other schools. S and B are only holistic if you already meet their numerical standards.


From SLS admissions viewbook: GPA range 3.29-4.18

I wouldn't say that 3.29 is overly stringent for a school that is in the top 3. Harvard probably wouldn't let in a 3.29.


Every school is holistic to a point. I bet someone like Mark Zuckerberg could get into HYS with a 3.2 and 168 LSAT.

Exactly. Chances are very high that the applicant with the 3.29 was a URM or spent 10 years doing charity work, cured cancer, etc. That person is going to get in whether or not a school is "holistic". The test is whether your average applicant with a 3.29 stands any chance at getting in, and they don't, especially at Berkeley and Stanford.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby bdubs » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:28 pm

Magnolia wrote:
tinlawman wrote:
bdubs wrote:
Magnolia wrote:No, a high GPA doesn't guarantee you anything at S or B (or anywhere else, for that matter). A low GPA will doom you though, and it'll do so faster at S and B than most other schools. S and B are only holistic if you already meet their numerical standards.


From SLS admissions viewbook: GPA range 3.29-4.18

I wouldn't say that 3.29 is overly stringent for a school that is in the top 3. Harvard probably wouldn't let in a 3.29.


Every school is holistic to a point. I bet someone like Mark Zuckerberg could get into HYS with a 3.2 and 168 LSAT.

Exactly. Chances are very high that the applicant with the 3.29 was a URM or spent 10 years doing charity work, cured cancer, etc. That person is going to get in whether or not a school is "holistic". The test is whether your average applicant with a 3.29 stands any chance at getting in, and they don't, especially at Berkeley and Stanford.


"Average" applicants with mediocre GPAs or GMATs also have no shot of getting into top MBA programs. You should have great qualities to get into top programs in any field.

I was just commenting that the blind GPA loving of law schools is ridiculous. A lot of times good to great softs won't overcome a "mediocre" GPA. This is not true in most other application processes.
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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby JCougar » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:29 pm

Also, to whoever is attending the last admitted students weekend...they just got done waxing and polishing all the tile floors for you. I almost couldn't make it to my locker last night because the floor was cordoned off. I had to tiptoe across some semi-dry wax to put my computer away...all for you precious 0Ls...who are getting showered with scholarship money and will have the best OCI in years. It's spring break now so they thought everyone was gone (it was 1am). But I have some catching up to do and I study better at night.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby Hannibal » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:31 pm

JCougar wrote:Also, to whoever is attending the last admitted students weekend...they just got done waxing and polishing all the tile floors for you. I almost couldn't make it to my locker last night because the floor was cordoned off. I had to tiptoe across some semi-dry wax to put my computer away...all for you precious 0Ls...who are getting showered with scholarship money and will have the best OCI in years. It's spring break now so they thought everyone was gone (it was 1am). But I have some catching up to do and I study better at night.


Not sure if I should be happy or apologize.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby Magnolia » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:34 pm

bdubs wrote:I was just commenting that the blind GPA loving of law schools is ridiculous. A lot of times good to great softs won't overcome a "mediocre" GPA. This is not true in most other application processes.

I agree with you. I just think that a school like NU would be a better example of a school that is willing to overlook low GPA's than schools like S or B, which are notorious GPA whores, despite their claims to the contrary.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby mez06 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:39 pm

When's the deadline date for them to notify students being considered for RD? Are they going to get back to us before April 1!?

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby JCougar » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:40 pm

Hannibal wrote:
JCougar wrote:Also, to whoever is attending the last admitted students weekend...they just got done waxing and polishing all the tile floors for you. I almost couldn't make it to my locker last night because the floor was cordoned off. I had to tiptoe across some semi-dry wax to put my computer away...all for you precious 0Ls...who are getting showered with scholarship money and will have the best OCI in years. It's spring break now so they thought everyone was gone (it was 1am). But I have some catching up to do and I study better at night.


Not sure if I should be happy or apologize.


It's all good. If the emerging admissions profile holds up, you guys will be the most competitive class ever admissions-wise. And then our future reputation will be staked to you...to improve it for the next cycle of kids coming through here. We aim to leave USC in the dust.
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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby law4vus » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:40 pm

mez06 wrote:When's the deadline date for them to notify students being considered for RD? Are they going to get back to us before April 1!?


Wondering the same thing. If the last ASW is on the 25th, then you'd think they'd get back to us before then.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby TatteredDignity » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:48 pm

mez06 wrote:When's the deadline date for them to notify students being considered for RD? Are they going to get back to us before April 1!?


Their website says April 15th.

http://law.wustl.edu/admissions/pages.aspx?id=51

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby columbia86 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:41 am

The writing has disappeared from the top of my status checker, does that signify something about my admission prospects? (In Review 3/15)

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:46 am

columbia86 wrote:The writing has disappeared from the top of my status checker, does that signify something about my admission prospects? (In Review 3/15)


Nope... happened to me, too. IR 3/11 ---> 3/14. If I'm not mistaken, the writing just stated something to the effect that your application is complete and when it goes IR, the date may change several times but the changes do not signify anything other than it being reviewed by another party/committee/whathaveyou.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby jacketman03 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:53 am

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
columbia86 wrote:The writing has disappeared from the top of my status checker, does that signify something about my admission prospects? (In Review 3/15)


Nope... happened to me, too. IR 3/11 ---> 3/14. If I'm not mistaken, the writing just stated something to the effect that your application is complete and when it goes IR, the date may change several times but the changes do not signify anything other than it being reviewed by another party/committee/whathaveyou.

Yeah, I just noticed that the writing disappeared from mine at some point, too. My IR dates were 2/10--->3/3.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby columbia86 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:57 am

jacketman03 wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
columbia86 wrote:The writing has disappeared from the top of my status checker, does that signify something about my admission prospects? (In Review 3/15)


Nope... happened to me, too. IR 3/11 ---> 3/14. If I'm not mistaken, the writing just stated something to the effect that your application is complete and when it goes IR, the date may change several times but the changes do not signify anything other than it being reviewed by another party/committee/whathaveyou.

Yeah, I just noticed that the writing disappeared from mine at some point, too. My IR dates were 2/10--->3/3.


Well considering that we are 167 splitters or below, this may not bode well. Obviously three is an unreliably small sample size, but...
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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby jacketman03 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:59 am

columbia86 wrote:
jacketman03 wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
columbia86 wrote:The writing has disappeared from the top of my status checker, does that signify something about my admission prospects? (In Review 3/15)


Nope... happened to me, too. IR 3/11 ---> 3/14. If I'm not mistaken, the writing just stated something to the effect that your application is complete and when it goes IR, the date may change several times but the changes do not signify anything other than it being reviewed by another party/committee/whathaveyou.

Yeah, I just noticed that the writing disappeared from mine at some point, too. My IR dates were 2/10--->3/3.


Well considering that we are 167 splitters or below, this may not bode well.

I'm URM, though. Don't know how much that will help me, but I'm guessing not much.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby anti-phronimos » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:00 pm

When I went in to talk to the dean of admissions [she was great, actually], it was obvious that she was having a difficult time trying to say "sorry buddy" without simply giving me the decision. I asked her about the writing being gone, just for funzies, and she did the same dance between not-answering the question and pitying reassurance.

So, I'm inclined to believe that the writing disappearing = waitlist/deny

Infinite sad face.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby columbia86 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:03 pm

anti-phronimos wrote:When I went in to talk to the dean of admissions [she was great, actually], it was obvious that she was having a difficult time trying to say "sorry buddy" without simply giving me the decision. I asked her about the writing being gone, just for funzies, and she did the same dance between not-answering the question and pitying reassurance.

So, I'm inclined to believe that the writing disappearing = waitlist/deny

Infinite sad face.


Stats?

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby SrLaw » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:05 pm

columbia86 wrote:The writing has disappeared from the top of my status checker, does that signify something about my admission prospects? (In Review 3/15)



What writing is everyone talking about???

My still looks normal?! I was IR 3/15.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby anti-phronimos » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:08 pm

columbia86 wrote:
anti-phronimos wrote:When I went in to talk to the dean of admissions [she was great, actually], it was obvious that she was having a difficult time trying to say "sorry buddy" without simply giving me the decision. I asked her about the writing being gone, just for funzies, and she did the same dance between not-answering the question and pitying reassurance.

So, I'm inclined to believe that the writing disappearing = waitlist/deny

Infinite sad face.


Stats?


3.7ish, 166--URM. Other circumstances might make me less appealing to WUSTL--I'm from St. Louis, went to a university in the area that they don't respect, etc.

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby SrLaw » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:10 pm

columbia86 wrote:
anti-phronimos wrote:When I went in to talk to the dean of admissions [she was great, actually], it was obvious that she was having a difficult time trying to say "sorry buddy" without simply giving me the decision. I asked her about the writing being gone, just for funzies, and she did the same dance between not-answering the question and pitying reassurance.

So, I'm inclined to believe that the writing disappearing = waitlist/deny

Infinite sad face.


Stats?



167/3.4

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Re: WUSTL 2011 Cycle

Postby ArthurDigbySellers » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:23 pm

SrLaw wrote:
columbia86 wrote:The writing has disappeared from the top of my status checker, does that signify something about my admission prospects? (In Review 3/15)



What writing is everyone talking about???

My still looks normal?! I was IR 3/15.


3/15 here too. Well what is it WUSTL? Yay or nay?




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