William & Mary 2011

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby East Coast Law » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:09 pm

Out of curiousity, has anyone heard anything about the research institute fellowships either during a visit or through acceptance? (Citizen lawyers, Bill of Rights, Election Law, Law Library, etc) Did anyone write those essays?

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby crysmissmichelle » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:38 pm

When I visited they said that the acceptanced students' files would be sent to the respective fellowship opportunity along with the essay you wrote to apply for that fellowship. The dean I spoke to made it sound like it would be done all at once and that it had not been done yet (as of three weeks ago.)

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby CavalierExile » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:19 pm

For those still waiting: complete 1/03, accepted 3/11. LSAT 165 / GPA 3.65.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby SrLaw » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:20 pm

CavalierExile wrote:For those still waiting: complete 1/03, accepted 3/11. LSAT 165 / GPA 3.65.



How did you find out?

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby fetalposition » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:25 pm

Has anyone noticed the updated employment stats on their website? Obviously schools' employment data shouldn't be taken too seriously, but there was a precipitous drop in W&M's self reported data from last year...

Class of 2009 Median private practice salary: $140,000
Class of 2010 Median private practice salary: $105,000

Class of 2009 Employer type (private practice): 52%
Class of 2010 Employer type (private practice ): 40.2%

Looks like W&M got hit pretty hard...

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby AP-375 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:33 pm

fetalposition wrote:Has anyone noticed the updated employment stats on their website? Obviously schools' employment data shouldn't be taken too seriously, but there was a precipitous drop in W&M's self reported data from last year...

Class of 2009 Median private practice salary: $140,000
Class of 2010 Median private practice salary: $105,000

Class of 2009 Employer type (private practice): 52%
Class of 2010 Employer type (private practice ): 40.2%

Looks like W&M got hit pretty hard...


Ok, that's pretty terrifying. Way to point that out. I mean, I would assume that is the case for most schools in the same range, and I appreciate W&M's honesty, but you could say this info makes me want to curl up in the... well, fetalposition.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby CavalierExile » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:39 pm

SrLaw wrote:
CavalierExile wrote:For those still waiting: complete 1/03, accepted 3/11. LSAT 165 / GPA 3.65.



How did you find out?



Appeared on status checker this morning. I checked on a whim, expecting to have been waitlisted after all this time. No e-mail, and no actual mail yet.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby tttlllsss » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:47 pm

fetalposition wrote:Has anyone noticed the updated employment stats on their website? Obviously schools' employment data shouldn't be taken too seriously, but there was a precipitous drop in W&M's self reported data from last year...

Class of 2009 Median private practice salary: $140,000
Class of 2010 Median private practice salary: $105,000

Class of 2009 Employer type (private practice): 52%
Class of 2010 Employer type (private practice ): 40.2%

Looks like W&M got hit pretty hard...


Whoa

Thanks for pointing that out

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby leidice » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:52 pm

CavalierExile wrote:
SrLaw wrote:
CavalierExile wrote:For those still waiting: complete 1/03, accepted 3/11. LSAT 165 / GPA 3.65.



How did you find out?



Appeared on status checker this morning. I checked on a whim, expecting to have been waitlisted after all this time. No e-mail, and no actual mail yet.


!! Maybe there's still hope for me....

Edit -- did you do the phone interview or go visit?

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby novab » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:48 am

tttlllsss wrote:
fetalposition wrote:Has anyone noticed the updated employment stats on their website? Obviously schools' employment data shouldn't be taken too seriously, but there was a precipitous drop in W&M's self reported data from last year...

Class of 2009 Median private practice salary: $140,000
Class of 2010 Median private practice salary: $105,000

Class of 2009 Employer type (private practice): 52%
Class of 2010 Employer type (private practice ): 40.2%

Looks like W&M got hit pretty hard...


Whoa

Thanks for pointing that out




Lets be serious though - all schools across the board have gotten hit hard over the past year or two. I dont think that W&M was hit any harder than other peer schools. Its the times, not the school.


On a side note - has anyone started a W&M law class of 2014 group on FB?

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby CavalierExile » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:51 pm

leidice wrote:!! Maybe there's still hope for me....

Edit -- did you do the phone interview or go visit?


Nope.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby TyrodTaylor » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:08 pm

Those numbers are concerning. I got a packet in the mail today with a full breakdown. Does anyone else have any other numbers for comparison? I feel like that should have been somewhat expected but its still a big drop

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby Redsgomarchingon » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:58 pm

TyrodTaylor wrote:Those numbers are concerning. I got a packet in the mail today with a full breakdown. Does anyone else have any other numbers for comparison? I feel like that should have been somewhat expected but its still a big drop


I got the packet. Classwide median for 2010 was $60K and the average was 75K. Median salary for private was 100K.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby fetalposition » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:06 pm

novab wrote:
tttlllsss wrote:
fetalposition wrote:Has anyone noticed the updated employment stats on their website? Obviously schools' employment data shouldn't be taken too seriously, but there was a precipitous drop in W&M's self reported data from last year...

Class of 2009 Median private practice salary: $140,000
Class of 2010 Median private practice salary: $105,000

Class of 2009 Employer type (private practice): 52%
Class of 2010 Employer type (private practice ): 40.2%

Looks like W&M got hit pretty hard...


Whoa

Thanks for pointing that out




Lets be serious though - all schools across the board have gotten hit hard over the past year or two. I dont think that W&M was hit any harder than other peer schools. Its the times, not the school.


On a side note - has anyone started a W&M law class of 2014 group on FB?



I disagree completely with this. I think W&M got hit way harder than most of its peer schools (compare it to BC, which still placed 33% of its class into NLJ 250). Not saying it's the school's fault, but rather, it's largely the result of where it's located. DC got destroyed and W&M is third fiddle (if that) in DC... Richmond was barely there to begin with and I've heard that got destroyed as well.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby DMBFan » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:48 pm

Just got W&M's employment package. Seems unusually honest, which is depressing me.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby tttlllsss » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:50 pm

fetalposition wrote:
I disagree completely with this. I think W&M got hit way harder than most of its peer schools (compare it to BC, which still placed 33% of its class into NLJ 250). Not saying it's the school's fault, but rather, it's largely the result of where it's located. DC got destroyed and W&M is third fiddle (if that) in DC... Richmond was barely there to begin with and I've heard that got destroyed as well.


Might not be W&M's fault entirely, but it's unappealing nonetheless

Seems like W&M might not be the best choice for those looking to go into the private sector

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby AP-375 » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:51 pm

DMBFan wrote:Just got W&M's employment package. Seems unusually honest, which is depressing me.

Is this something that they are sending out right now to admits? Now I'll be checking the mail quite anxiously.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby brose » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:45 pm

I got the packet - I appreciate the honesty but I wasn't all that terrified. Maybe I'm just realistic? Idk.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby jpSartre » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:53 pm

fetalposition wrote:Has anyone noticed the updated employment stats on their website? Obviously schools' employment data shouldn't be taken too seriously, but there was a precipitous drop in W&M's self reported data from last year...

Class of 2009 Median private practice salary: $140,000
Class of 2010 Median private practice salary: $105,000

Class of 2009 Employer type (private practice): 52%
Class of 2010 Employer type (private practice ): 40.2%

Looks like W&M got hit pretty hard...


if I make 100k out of school i will be a happy dood.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby TyrodTaylor » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:10 pm

i am just hoping that other schools are as transparent. I hope W&L doesnt try to say their median is still 140k

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby RPK34 » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:53 pm

I thought the packet gave a picture that was right in line what I expected to see.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby AP-375 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:10 am

jpSartre wrote:if I make 100k out of school i will be a happy dood.

Yeah, me too. But this is where the bi-modal salary distribution becomes relevant. W&M is still placing 10% of the class in NLJ 250 making market, so where does that leave the other 30% of the class that goes into private practice? Gotta be enough people making low enough to bring the median down to $105k.
I hate to be the negative TLS guy, but I just really like W&M, and am finding this very discouraging.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby Redsgomarchingon » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:03 am

AP-375 wrote:
jpSartre wrote:if I make 100k out of school i will be a happy dood.

Yeah, me too. But this is where the bi-modal salary distribution becomes relevant. W&M is still placing 10% of the class in NLJ 250 making market, so where does that leave the other 30% of the class that goes into private practice? Gotta be enough people making low enough to bring the median down to $105k.
I hate to be the negative TLS guy, but I just really like W&M, and am finding this very discouraging.


actually about 16% get NLJ. some firms outside NLJ offer equivalent salaries, and around 5% of the class gets clerkships (which lead to NLJ in many cases). Midlaw salaries can run from 45k-85k, and can have bonuses as much as 10K.

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby TyrodTaylor » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:49 am

Did some research and saw where vandy had 43 percent private practice for 2010. Didn't see salary numbers

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Re: William & Mary 2011

Postby rso11 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:35 pm

IN via snail mail! :D
Complete: 1/18
Accepted: 3/11

Any other admits know when they send out scholly info? I didn't get anything with my admissions packet.




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