Fordham 2011

[aliarrow]

Congrats on the admit!

Anyone else on here submit super late (Late Jan/Early Feb)?
I already submitted a bunch of apps in early Nov, but put off Fordham because of the cost - but I kept thinking of it throughout the cycle and couldn't resist anymore

[Gotti]

IN!!

I guess spending half of my morning on this thread brought me good karma.

yay! haha NOW are you coming to ASD 4/2?

For sure!

Me toooo! are you from NYC? I'm excited to visit again...it's been 2 years! I guess I'll see you there

[aaaaaah]

IN!!

I guess spending half of my morning on this thread brought me good karma.

yay! haha NOW are you coming to ASD 4/2?

For sure!

Me toooo! are you from NYC? I'm excited to visit again...it's been 2 years! I guess I'll see you there

Nope, not from NY, but I came for UG and haven't left yet.

[mf980]

For those of you have already received scholarship offers from Fordham, do you remember how long it took to receive said offers after you received the acceptance e-mail?

[Gemini]

Interesting tidbit:

Guess who's speaking at the class of 2011's graduation?

Mikhail Gorbachev, Former President of USSR and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate.

[unc0mm0n1]

Got in yesterday after I withdrew over a month ago. I was wondering why I didn't any type of confirmation. I'll be withdrawing again soon.

[aliarrow]

Thought you guys might be interested in my other thread:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150681

Fordham actually seems to be the school most outperforming it's ranking, at least in the T30. As long as they don't lie in their data, 50% of grads do make $145,000+ 9 months after graduation. This is taking into account any unknown salaries, unknown employment status, non-legal jobs, unemployment, other sectors, etc.

[girlonfire]

Waitlisted... Dunno how I feel about it yet...

[Gemini]

Thought you guys might be interested in my other thread:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150681

Fordham actually seems to be the school most outperforming it's ranking, at least in the T30. As long as they don't lie in their data, 50% of grads do make $145,000+ 9 months after graduation. This is taking into account any unknown salaries, unknown employment status, non-legal jobs, unemployment, other sectors, etc.

<3 Thanks!!

Sorry about the WL, gof! I know you have some good options, at the very least.

[maglialoro]

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[girlonfire]

Thought you guys might be interested in my other thread:
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 1&t=150681

Fordham actually seems to be the school most outperforming it's ranking, at least in the T30. As long as they don't lie in their data, 50% of grads do make $145,000+ 9 months after graduation. This is taking into account any unknown salaries, unknown employment status, non-legal jobs, unemployment, other sectors, etc.

<3 Thanks!!

Sorry about the WL, gof! I know you have some good options, at the very least.

Thanks dollface
I think I'm actually just happy it wasnt a ding

[aliarrow]

Thought you guys might be interested in my other thread:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150681

Fordham actually seems to be the school most outperforming it's ranking, at least in the T30. As long as they don't lie in their data, 50% of grads do make $145,000+ 9 months after graduation. This is taking into account any unknown salaries, unknown employment status, non-legal jobs, unemployment, other sectors, etc.

I just saw this and it seems too good to be true..I am curious about other peoples thoughts on this. Plus, how does Fordham PT program affect the numbers?

I agree that it seems too good to be true. After reviewing the data again I did find one thing skewing the data slightly - the median salaries apply to those with Full Time Employment. I can't analyze the data atm because I'm not at my computer, but this will change things a little bit (though not too much). From quick glance there are about 10% of those employed working part-time.

[MrAnon]

Yeah please explain the methodology on how you determined half of Fordham's grads make $145k. See also: http://law.fordham.edu/career-planning/17281.htm


Also, this chart http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/law%20sc ... page12.pdf indicates no more than 30% of Fordham grads headed to NLJ250 firms. I would wager that the 30% number is itself exaggerated, but assuming it is correct then that means that some 95 additional Fordham grads found firms--OUTSIDE THE NLJ250--paying 145K. I would say this is unlikely, but the truth is that it is impossible.

[aliarrow]

Yeah please explain the methodology on how you determined half of Fordham's grads make $145k. See also: http://law.fordham.edu/career-planning/17281.htm

The median private sector salary is $160k, the 25th Percentile is $145k 9 months out (per data from newest US News Update).
To find those making the median and more:
(I don't have the exact data with me atm, these are estimates)
75% are known to be employed and working in the private sector (taken as all firms + Business)
Of that, 94% of salary data is known.
We're left with a median at 34% of the class (which means that top 34% is going to be making at least $160k).
The 3rd quartile is going to be 34%+17% = 51%. This quartile will be making between $145k (25th Percentile) and $160k (50th Percentile).

There is an error I just noticed which is that I didn't account for those employed part-time. This will be addressed later when I have access to my data.

Edit for clarity:

Private Sector Q1 = 0%-17% of class ($160k +)
Private Sector Q2 = 17%-34% of class ($160k)
Private Sector Q3 = 34%-51% of class ($145k - $160k)
Private Sector Q4 = 51%-68% of class (less than $145k)
Unknown salary = 68%-75% of class (??? - this is probably where all the part-time people wound up anyway)
Public Sector, Unknown employment status, unemployed, seeking additional degree = 75%-100%

[aliarrow]

Yeah please explain the methodology on how you determined half of Fordham's grads make $145k. See also: http://law.fordham.edu/career-planning/17281.htm


Also, this chart http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/law%20sc ... page12.pdf indicates no more than 30% of Fordham grads headed to NLJ250 firms. I would wager that the 30% number is itself exaggerated, but assuming it is correct then that means that some 95 additional Fordham grads found firms--OUTSIDE THE NLJ250--paying 145K. I would say this is unlikely, but the truth is that it is impossible.

In New York City? Very possible.

[maglialoro]

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[maglialoro]

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[aliarrow]

Of those employed in a Bar Required job, 98.1% are employed full time. So I really don't anticipate that skewing things too much. The only thing I'm worried about is that 8% in Business sector skewing things, because that could be where the majority of those employed part-time are stacked. Regardless, the ultimate skew won't be any more than 4-6%.

[MrAnon]

In New York City? Very possible.

Yes, NYC is the city of hundreds and hundreds of midlaw firms paying over $145 to start. Though it is curious that when you reach the bottom of the NLJ250 the firms there pay $110 to $140. I guess things only get better once you get into the 260's, 270's, and 300's.

Most firms in NYC don't have that type of money sloshing around.

[aliarrow]

In New York City? Very possible.

Yes, NYC is the city of hundreds and hundreds of midlaw firms paying over $145 to start. Though it is curious that when you reach the bottom of the NLJ250 the firms there pay $110 to $140. I guess things only get better once you get into the 260's, 270's, and 300's.

Most firms in NYC don't have that type of money sloshing around.

Yeah, I guess it's totally unfathomable that there are plenty of non-NLJ 250 firms in the legal capital of the world (with one of the highest costs of living) paying six figures. The NLJ 250 is just the 250 largest firms, however in NYC there are plenty of smaller firms that still handle enough cases worth enough to offer high starting salaries. We aren't talking about 10 lawyer DUI firms out in Oklahoma.

Go to the Nalp Directory and search for firms with 50-100 lawyers in New York. I just started picking random ones and they all started at $160k.

[aliarrow]

Here's every single firm that pops up in New York with a total firm size of 26-50 attorneys:

Cooper & Dunham, LLP
NYC
Firm Size: 26-50
Starting salary: $145,000

Amster, Rothstein & Ebenstein LLP
NYC
Firm Size: 26-50
Starting salary: $135,000

Levine Sullivan Koch & Schulz, L.L.P.
NYC
Firm Size: 26-50
Starting salary: $110,000

Roberts & Holland LLP
NYC
Firm Size: 26-50
Starting salary: $160,000


So if you don't know what you're talking about, kindly STFU and GTFO

[aliarrow]

Patton Boggs LLP
NYC
Firm Size: 11-25
Starting salary: $160,000

Axinn, Veltrop & Harkrider LLP
NYC
Firm: 50-100
Office: 11-25
Starting Salary: $160,000

RICHARDS KIBBE & ORBE LLP
NYC
Firm: 50-100
Office: 50-100
Starting Salary: $145,000

The list really just goes on and on. I haven't found any yet that don't pay six figures.

[MrAnon]

Thanks for correcting me. You named 7 firms. Not all of them pay 145k. But in any event I looked at every associate bio on all seven sites and found one Fordham '09 associate. At this rate we're going to need over 650 firms.

[aliarrow]

The point is, there are known smaller firms that pay $145k. This is the data that exists, and the data in support of what I'm stating (which is entirely data based, I wasn't too set on Fordham anyway because of the cost, so it's not me pushing some agenda. I compiled the data first, then said 'hm. look at Fordham go') greatly outnumbers any data you've brought to the table to disprove me.

[MrAnon]

Firms outside of the NLJ250 that pay that much seem to be specialty firms that take experienced science types or else shy away from brand new grads. I know where Fordham grads from the middle of the class go--I have met them--and it isn't to firms paying this much dough.

My guess is that Fordham counted as employed at graduation a bunch of kids who at one time had job offers but eventually were told not to show up by their employers.