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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby badgerprotests » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:43 pm

Flips88 wrote:
badgerprotests wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
badgerprotests wrote:I'm a current 3L and would be happy to answer any questions ya'll might have.

Obviously the job market will be different in 3 years (god willing), but how is it for 3Ls looking for post-grad employment now?

Also, how is UW's placement in Chicago?



It is very tough for 3Ls looking for post-grad work now. There are 37 jobs posted on the job bank right now. The majority of these are fellowships, unpaid internships, etc...There are a few attorney positions posted, but they are looking for a very specific type of applicant. Other than that job bank, it's all about who you know, I guess. A very large number of the 3L class is still looking for work.
UW's placement in Chicago is, quite honestly, very bad. According to the self-reported spreadsheet we get that shows where students are working each summer, there were 3 students from the current 3L class in Chicago "biglaw" last summer. There were a few others at firms, but I'm not sure how big those firms are or what they do. The NLJ list is indicative, I think, of UW's placement. For 2010 grads, something like 12% went to those firms. I think it'll be even lower for 2011 grads.

See I'm not necessarily interested in Big Law. PI/Government work is more what I'm aiming for so I don't know how that affects possibilities.

Thanks for being brutally honest though. It's nice not having the school stringing you along with fudged statistics like every school does.


Oh, don't get me wrong, they still fudge statistics.
According to TLS: "Percent of graduates employed 9 months after graduation: 96.9%
Median private sector salary: $115,000"
Also, the last time I checked, employment statistics are nowhere to be found on the law school's website. That is in contrast to when I was applying. They used to have charts showing the data everyone knows is faulty, but now they don't have anything.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby stlisforlovers » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:44 pm

I also wanted to thank you for your honest answer, but I'm sort of curious what you mean about the postings targeting very specific kind of students. Certain sort of background, grades...?

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby badgerprotests » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:54 pm

stlisforlovers wrote:I also wanted to thank you for your honest answer, but I'm sort of curious what you mean about the postings targeting very specific kind of students. Certain sort of background, grades...?


Certain sorts of backgrounds. For example, one posting wants a few years of experience representing labor unions (actually, there are quite a few right now looking for people with labor experience/interest...). Another job requires 5 years experience in a certain field. Yet another wants 6+ years in a different field. Also, the majority of the postings seem to not be targeted at UW students and are likely posted on a bunch of other job boards.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby Flips88 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:56 pm

badgerprotests wrote:
stlisforlovers wrote:I also wanted to thank you for your honest answer, but I'm sort of curious what you mean about the postings targeting very specific kind of students. Certain sort of background, grades...?


Certain sorts of backgrounds. For example, one posting wants a few years of experience representing labor unions (actually, there are quite a few right now looking for people with labor experience/interest...). Another job requires 5 years experience in a certain field. Yet another wants 6+ years in a different field. Also, the majority of the postings seem to not be targeted at UW students and are likely posted on a bunch of other job boards.

So some firms are like trying to find an entry level out of UG and all jobs require 2 years of experience in a field, but you can't get that experience without the prereq experience. *mind explodes*

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby badgerprotests » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:58 pm

Flips88 wrote:
badgerprotests wrote:
stlisforlovers wrote:I also wanted to thank you for your honest answer, but I'm sort of curious what you mean about the postings targeting very specific kind of students. Certain sort of background, grades...?


Certain sorts of backgrounds. For example, one posting wants a few years of experience representing labor unions (actually, there are quite a few right now looking for people with labor experience/interest...). Another job requires 5 years experience in a certain field. Yet another wants 6+ years in a different field. Also, the majority of the postings seem to not be targeted at UW students and are likely posted on a bunch of other job boards.

So some firms are like trying to find an entry level out of UG and all jobs require 2 years of experience in a field, but you can't get that experience without the prereq experience. *mind explodes*


No, they aren't necessarily trying to find someone right out of school. I don't know where the jobs in the job bank are found, whether the career services people go find the posting, if the employers always contact the school first, or what.
My sincere advice would be to work, or do anything else, for a few years before going to law school.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby Flips88 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:01 pm

badgerprotests wrote:
No, they aren't necessarily trying to find someone right out of school. I don't know where the jobs in the job bank are found, whether the career services people go find the posting, if the employers always contact the school first, or what.
My sincere advice would be to work, or do anything else, for a few years before going to law school.

I graduated UG in 2010 so I'll be 1.5 years out when I start law school in the fall. I've done some work that would be relevant I guess. Worked as a clerk at a firm but I hated it so I left after 4 months. Been volunteering at the ACLU since then. Might get another legal job or a job at a non-profit soon. Waiting to hear back on those.

ETA: and I was just referring to a lot of entry level jobs I've looked at that require 2 years of experience in the field and I can't get that experience if I can't get an entry level job. I think it's dumb.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby columbia86 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:08 pm

In Review 2/11...no response.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby samtheclam1 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:37 pm

In review 1/12 nothing since

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby yoitsmebenny » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:10 pm

Got scholarship info today. Even in-state, not nearly comparable with other offers.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby Flips88 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:13 pm

yoitsmebenny wrote:Got scholarship info today. Even in-state, not nearly comparable with other offers.

What was the offer? PM it if you prefer

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby yoitsmebenny » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:16 pm

Flips88 wrote:
yoitsmebenny wrote:Got scholarship info today. Even in-state, not nearly comparable with other offers.

What was the offer? PM it if you prefer

10k/year. No stipulations - just remain "in good academic standing."

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby mss455 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:19 pm

yoitsmebenny wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
yoitsmebenny wrote:Got scholarship info today. Even in-state, not nearly comparable with other offers.

What was the offer? PM it if you prefer

10k/year. No stipulations - just remain "in good academic standing."


Was it by email ... and congrats anyway !!!

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby Flips88 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:20 pm

yoitsmebenny wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
yoitsmebenny wrote:Got scholarship info today. Even in-state, not nearly comparable with other offers.

What was the offer? PM it if you prefer

10k/year. No stipulations - just remain "in good academic standing."

Doesn't that make tuition like $8k or $9k a year?

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby akak179 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:41 pm

I have been under "receipt of application materials are currently being confirmed" since 1/23. Is this an issue? Has anyone else been in this situation?

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby yoitsmebenny » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:13 pm

mss455 wrote:
yoitsmebenny wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
yoitsmebenny wrote:Got scholarship info today. Even in-state, not nearly comparable with other offers.

What was the offer? PM it if you prefer

10k/year. No stipulations - just remain "in good academic standing."


Was it by email ... and congrats anyway !!!

Yes it was via email.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby yoitsmebenny » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:13 pm

Flips88 wrote:
yoitsmebenny wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
yoitsmebenny wrote:Got scholarship info today. Even in-state, not nearly comparable with other offers.

What was the offer? PM it if you prefer

10k/year. No stipulations - just remain "in good academic standing."

Doesn't that make tuition like $8k or $9k a year?

Yes. In-state tuition is ~$19k.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby pilate » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:13 pm

While tuition is currently ~$19K, everyone should keep in mind this could change greatly over the next few years based on what is currently going on with the state budget and potential privatization of UW Madison. The last I heard was a potential (and likely) tuition increase by 10% for the next two-three years, but of course this is not set in stone...

I know many schools have yearly tuition increases, but it appears this will be a more drastic change.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby BarnabeSpooge » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:13 pm

pilate wrote:While tuition is currently ~$19K, everyone should keep in mind this could change greatly over the next few years based on what is currently going on with the state budget and potential privatization of UW Madison. The last I heard was a potential (and likely) tuition increase by 10% for the next two-three years, but of course this is not set in stone...

I know many schools have yearly tuition increases, but it appears this will be a more drastic change.

The last projection I saw from that budget proposal had an 11-13% cut in campus funding.

Of course, considering how inexpensive Wisconsin's tuition is, a full 13% increase would mean that in-state tuition would be just over $20K, and out-of-state tuition would be around $42K - which (for OOS) is about the same as nearby Illinois or Minnesota, and for Wisconsin and Minnesota residents would still be cheaper than almost any other option.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby Regionality » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:07 am

BarnabeSpooge wrote:
pilate wrote:While tuition is currently ~$19K, everyone should keep in mind this could change greatly over the next few years based on what is currently going on with the state budget and potential privatization of UW Madison. The last I heard was a potential (and likely) tuition increase by 10% for the next two-three years, but of course this is not set in stone...

I know many schools have yearly tuition increases, but it appears this will be a more drastic change.

The last projection I saw from that budget proposal had an 11-13% cut in campus funding.

Of course, considering how inexpensive Wisconsin's tuition is, a full 13% increase would mean that in-state tuition would be just over $20K, and out-of-state tuition would be around $42K - which (for OOS) is about the same as nearby Illinois or Minnesota, and for Wisconsin and Minnesota residents would still be cheaper than almost any other option.


Still though, an increase as substantial as this in comparison to other schools, combined with the limited scholarship funds that UW has, will undoubtedly tip the scales in a number of individual's calculations and send qualified students elsewhere. Some of the smartest students in my class are Wisconsinites who couldn't pass up such a good in-state deal despite having numbers for T14's, or OOS's who still saved a ton by the relatively cheap out of state tuition combined with a decent scholarship.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby hydeparker » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:20 am

Just got in today off the WL via email. Load off my mind. Anybody want to give me odds on getting scholly loot this late in the game--I'm 3.5/165 with decent softs. Right now UW is my frontrunner but I'm OOS and need some paper.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby Flips88 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:25 am

hydeparker wrote:Just got in today off the WL via email. Load off my mind. Anybody want to give me odds on getting scholly loot this late in the game--I'm 3.5/165 with decent softs. Right now UW is my frontrunner but I'm OOS and need some paper.

So far I've only seen one non-urm get scholly info on here and he was in-state. So hopefully in the next couple weeks.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby BarnabeSpooge » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:27 pm

Regionality wrote:
BarnabeSpooge wrote:
pilate wrote:While tuition is currently ~$19K, everyone should keep in mind this could change greatly over the next few years based on what is currently going on with the state budget and potential privatization of UW Madison. The last I heard was a potential (and likely) tuition increase by 10% for the next two-three years, but of course this is not set in stone...

I know many schools have yearly tuition increases, but it appears this will be a more drastic change.

The last projection I saw from that budget proposal had an 11-13% cut in campus funding.

Of course, considering how inexpensive Wisconsin's tuition is, a full 13% increase would mean that in-state tuition would be just over $20K, and out-of-state tuition would be around $42K - which (for OOS) is about the same as nearby Illinois or Minnesota, and for Wisconsin and Minnesota residents would still be cheaper than almost any other option.


Still though, an increase as substantial as this in comparison to other schools, combined with the limited scholarship funds that UW has, will undoubtedly tip the scales in a number of individual's calculations and send qualified students elsewhere. Some of the smartest students in my class are Wisconsinites who couldn't pass up such a good in-state deal despite having numbers for T14's, or OOS's who still saved a ton by the relatively cheap out of state tuition combined with a decent scholarship.


I'm sure it would affect the decision-making of some OOS students. But even in the circumstance that the law school raises its tuition a full 13% next year, Wisconsin's in-state rate will still be just about half of what most comparable schools would cost a Wisconsin resident. I don't foresee many people looking at $20K at Wisconsin vs. $40K at Illinois and saying, "well, if it were $18K, then I'd do it." Wisco will remain a financially viable choice for Wisconsin and Minnesota residents, even if it does raise costs higher than expected.

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby gens1tb » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:06 pm

Waitlisted via email today with a 3.6/164

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby qhryder32 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:14 pm

gens1tb wrote:Waitlisted via email today with a 3.6/164


Wow those are strong stats. Are you OOS? When did u go complete and IR? Thanks!!

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Re: UW-Madison 2011

Postby gens1tb » Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:38 pm

qhryder32 wrote:
gens1tb wrote:Waitlisted via email today with a 3.6/164


Wow those are strong stats. Are you OOS? When did u go complete and IR? Thanks!!


Yeah, I'm oos :c I went complete on 01/27 and ir 01/31.


I think I'll write them an loci this week articulating my desire to attend.




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