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dianaw
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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby dianaw » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:37 pm

Just from another POV: multiple T14 admission officers have openly called the us news rankings BS, the general consensus of law school admissions, according to them, is that it is not very objective nor accurate.


Also, I certainly agree with the following:

It's bullshit to simply say, I respect all people and all of their opinions and you should also (even beyond the logic 101 issues with a statement like that).

All opinions are certainly to be tolerated (for practical purposes), but ones based on ignorance should not garner respect at all, and definitely SHOULD be challenged. The point of a liberal, intellectual atmosphere is not to accept ALL claims, but to pick out the WELL-THOUGHT-OUT ones. Biased or ignorant opinions, as soon as they are communicated to others, present a potential of harm.

My two cents.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby r6_philly » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:39 pm

dianaw wrote:All opinions are certainly to be tolerated (for practical purposes), but ones based on ignorance should not garner respect at all, and definitely SHOULD be challenged. The point of a liberal, intellectual atmosphere is not to accept ALL claims, but to pick out the WELL-THOUGHT-OUT ones. Biased or ignorant opinions, as soon as they are communicated to others, present a potential of harm.

My two cents.


While I agree with your assessment, I don't see congress rushing to outlaw racist or any other non-violet speech that are biased or ignorant and/or amending the constitution.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby r6_philly » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:41 pm

Flips88 wrote:God guys, just get the ruler out and start measuring each other's dicks and be done with it.


Come on man, according to Bilbo, these kind of debates are welcomed and encouraged at Boalt.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby whathojeeves » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:42 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Flips88 wrote:God guys, just get the ruler out and start measuring each other's dicks and be done with it.


Come on man, according to Bilbo, these kind of debates are welcomed and encouraged at Boalt.


+1"

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby hipstermafia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:45 pm

FTR, r6 and i were simply speculating as to why this years admits on lsn seemed high respective to the medians. seriously - that's all we were doing.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby Flips88 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:51 pm

hipstermafia wrote:FTR, r6 and i were simply speculating as to why this years admits on lsn seemed high respective to the medians. seriously - that's all we were doing.


Anyone with Ben Gibbard and Zooey Deschanel in their 'tar is okay with me.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby hipstermafia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:56 pm

Flips88 wrote:
hipstermafia wrote:FTR, r6 and i were simply speculating as to why this years admits on lsn seemed high respective to the medians. seriously - that's all we were doing.


Anyone with Ben Gibbard and Zooey Deschanel in their 'tar is okay with me.

hello <3 <3 <3

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby Flips88 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:59 pm

hipstermafia wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
hipstermafia wrote:FTR, r6 and i were simply speculating as to why this years admits on lsn seemed high respective to the medians. seriously - that's all we were doing.


Anyone with Ben Gibbard and Zooey Deschanel in their 'tar is okay with me.

hello <3 <3 <3


I met Ben Gibbard at the Democratic National Convention in 2008. Got a picture with him.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby hipstermafia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:16 pm

Flips88 wrote:
hipstermafia wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
hipstermafia wrote:FTR, r6 and i were simply speculating as to why this years admits on lsn seemed high respective to the medians. seriously - that's all we were doing.


Anyone with Ben Gibbard and Zooey Deschanel in their 'tar is okay with me.

hello <3 <3 <3


I met Ben Gibbard at the Democratic National Convention in 2008. Got a picture with him.

I have also met Ben Gibbard, twinsies! I got him into my gym. true story.
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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby Flips88 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:16 pm

hipstermafia wrote:
Flips88 wrote:I met Ben Gibbard at the Democratic National Convention in 2008. Got a picture with him.

I have also met Ben Gibbard, twinsies!


Haha have you seen Death Cab? I saw them at Lolla in 2006

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby hipstermafia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:17 pm

Flips88 wrote:
hipstermafia wrote:
Flips88 wrote:I met Ben Gibbard at the Democratic National Convention in 2008. Got a picture with him.

I have also met Ben Gibbard, twinsies!


Haha have you seen Death Cab? I saw them at Lolla in 2006

Yes, i shall pm you.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby Blindc1rca » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:29 pm

When did this thread become a scene where a Japanese motorcycle repeatedly runs over a Hobbit?

IMHO well played vs. random rage, good sir.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby bilbobaggins » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:45 pm

r6_philly wrote:
dianaw wrote:All opinions are certainly to be tolerated (for practical purposes), but ones based on ignorance should not garner respect at all, and definitely SHOULD be challenged. The point of a liberal, intellectual atmosphere is not to accept ALL claims, but to pick out the WELL-THOUGHT-OUT ones. Biased or ignorant opinions, as soon as they are communicated to others, present a potential of harm.

My two cents.


While I agree with your assessment, I don't see congress rushing to outlaw racist or any other non-violet speech that are biased or ignorant and/or amending the constitution.


You're confusing yourself. No one's saying "don't say x." All we're saying is, "When you say x, you sound like an uptight moron and here's why."

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby hipstermafia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:52 pm

bilbobaggins wrote:You're confusing yourself. No one's saying "don't say x." All we're saying is, "When you say x, you sound like an uptight moron and here's why."

There is no need for this ITT, and you're definitely not representing your school well. R6 has wonderful things to say about Berkeley, just because he has thought through and expressed pros/cons for HIM PERSONALLY to the plurality of schools he has been accepted to doesn't make him an uptight moron. GTFO, please & thank you.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby r6_philly » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:00 pm

bilbobaggins wrote:
You're confusing yourself. No one's saying "don't say x." All we're saying is, "When you say x, you sound like an uptight moron and here's why."


That's exactly how I feel when you accused me of obsessing over 2 spots in the ranking when I was trying to provide an educated guess on why the numbers on admits seems to be higher. There I even explained I explained why.

Ha this serves to illustrate to your narrow perspective how an articulate argument by you(or so you think) can be perceived as a dog poop in a paper bag by others. Therefore, you shall not pass judgment and walk around like you know everything that's good for everyone. Dude, I don't know how many times I have mentioned the word perspectives here, please learn what it means.

You also failed to address the fact that Berkeley officially love their #1 IP ranking by touting it to every admits.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby artichoke » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:12 pm

Can y'all stop bumping TT for no reason? You're making me think there has been movement.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby r6_philly » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:18 pm

artichoke wrote:Can y'all stop bumping TT for no reason? You're making me think there has been movement.


You shouldn't expect movement at this hour! I promise to ignore tomorrow during business hour!

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby swimmergirl1303 » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:21 pm

Any ideas when people will get committee review emails?

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby artichoke » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:06 am

r6_philly wrote:
artichoke wrote:Can y'all stop bumping TT for no reason? You're making me think there has been movement.


You shouldn't expect movement at this hour! I promise to ignore tomorrow during business hour!



Haha I know, but I get home from work and see huge movement on the berk thread and I have a mini heart attack, only to come here and see it's people bickering over something relatively inconsequential compared to ME GETTING IN TO BERKELEY. Here's hoping for tomorrow.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby r6_philly » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:07 am

artichoke wrote:Haha I know, but I get home from work and see huge movement on the berk thread and I have a mini heart attack, only to come here and see it's people bickering over something relatively inconsequential compared to ME GETTING IN TO BERKELEY. Here's hoping for tomorrow.


In all seriousness you are right about this. You should check out the Columbia thread though. At least it was entertaining.

Good luck tomorrow! They have been admitting quite a few this week - which is why we were wondering why they admitted high number people mostly.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby hjag » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:00 am

hipstermafia wrote:FTR, r6 and i were simply speculating as to why this years admits on lsn seemed high respective to the medians. seriously - that's all we were doing.


Well, I can think of a few possible scenarios:

1. Berkeley, like many other law schools, is simply going down the list and admitting their "definitelys" (aka high #s) first. Doesn't mean the people with lower #s are less qualified than before.
2. Berkeley is trying to increase its LSAT median.
3. There are just more applicants this year, meaning more highly qualified candidates with high #s to choose from.
4. Only the high #s acceptances are posting on TLS.

I think #4 is totally plausible, considering the fact that I felt happy about my 170 until I visited these forums. TLSers have a way of making you feel inadequate...

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby ExpectLess » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:11 am

FWIW I'm above 75th on both, have good softs, extended PS to four pages with a Berkeley specific focus, applied in October, and haven't heard back yet. Berkeley definitely is one of my top choices, too.

So, I still think Berkeley is as random as ever, and I'm betting their randomness will turn out as always: All the top people they admit won't go and all the low numbers people they admit will. Their diverse range of acceptances will be bottom-heavy in matriculation, leaving them with their 167 median.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby hjag » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:14 am

Agreed. That's what you get for being holistic, which is probably why other schools don't want to be (as much).

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby rockyIV » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:32 am

I really could have sworn this forum was supposed to be for people trying to see if, when and how others have heard from the admissions offices.

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Re: Berkeley 2011 applicants

Postby thisguy456 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:12 am

r6_philly wrote:
hipstermafia wrote:
minuit wrote:congrats to all those admitted!! do you think that berkeley is trying to raise its LSAT median this year? a lot of 170+ scores reporting... or do most of the lower numbers get admitted through faculty review?

I also feel like there have been a disproportionate number of high lsat/gpa acceptances relative to their medians. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN BERKELEY???


They are tired of people talking crap about their numerical qualities. 170 median this year like other T14's?


I looked at the data on LSN for this year's admits vs last year's admits at the same time during the cycle. According to LSN:

Last year's medians for all admits at this time during the cycle: 173.5 / 3.9 (112 data points)
This year's medians for all admits so far: 171 / 3.85 (67 data points)

I will not attempt to interpret these results.




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