Weirdlog wrote: r6_philly wrote: LilMonsterAnnie wrote:
bilbobaggins wrote:Are you guys really that concerned about one spot in the rankings? Is that one spot really a justification for higher fees? Or necessary for you to attend if fees are higher? The difference between a 6 and a 7? This really is TLS at its worst.
Thank you yet again Bilbo
Just thought about this: he is pretty quick to judgment coming from a liberal, enlightened kind of atmosphere. What happened to respect others for their opinions and choices?
Plus, if law schools are going to judge us by our numbers, can't we in turn judge them by their "numbers" (being rankings)?
Also I would probably go to NYU over Berkeley just because I like New York City better than Berkeley, California.
If you actually think there is a meaningful difference between 6 and 7, or 7 and 8, etc. then you're deluded. It's exactly like how if you think there's a meaningful difference between an individual with a 168 as opposed to a 167, you're also deluded. Simply because law schools make these distinctions doesn't mean they're actually valuable distinctions when talking about the quality of an individual (or school). So yes, judge the difference between 7 and 25, but 6 and 7, come on. This is just common sense, which is why TLS has such a hard time with it.
I certainly respect individuals who can explain their choices in a way that is reasonable and I respect others whose opinions and choices make sense. It's bullshit to simply say, I respect all people and all of their opinions and you should also (even beyond the logic 101 issues with a statement like that). If you want to make choices based on poor reasoning, that's no problem with me, but it's when people start to proselytize based on poor reasoning that you'll get a response from people. The obsession with minute rankings and stats differences is one of the things about the TLS groupthink that results in people making choices based on poor reasons.
An "enlightened" atmosphere is one that is critical of opinions and ideas that don't make sense and are not adequately supported by reality and/or arguments. The obsession over numbers and rankings is obnoxious. It's sort of like when someone says "NYU has a bigger national reach than Berkeley." Like most products in a society plagued by false differentiation, the actual difference between these two schools is negligible when it comes to finding a job in Atlanta or Portland or Washington, DC, for that matter. Yet, because of a slight difference in statistics or polling data, we have people making huge decisions based on small numerical differences.
I think it’s a misunderstanding of the kind of place Boalt is if you think it’s some sort of wonderland where everyone with an opinion is entitled to its correctness or to not be challenged by those who disagree. I don’t think I’m changing the minds of R6 or others, but I do think an alternative perspective needs to be presented for people who are genuinely trying to understand what it means for a school to be ranked 6 by US News and World as opposed to 8 (surprise: nothing!).
Boalt’s also a place with no GPAs. Where people rarely discuss grades and where class rank is secret and revealing yours can be a violation of the honor code. It’s a school that specifically tries to think about things besides arbitrary numbers when evaluating the legal world. It’s a place where people actively question the use of the rankings and whether or not it’s worthwhile to spend all of the school’s money chasing them. And it’s definitely a place where I know many individuals who decided to attend rather than go to higher ranked schools where they were admitted, including the much worshipped top 3 (and yes, even Yale).
I’m not telling you where to go to school, or even how to decide, but I do think, for many reasons, some of which I have explained here, that using rankings within the T14 to decide which school is right for you and your goals is one of the worst ways to proceed, especially when looking at schools ranked right next to each other.