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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby Sentry » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:07 pm

mrmangs wrote:Decision today! And got into the website... That means I'm good right?

Sure does. Congratulations!

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby arism87 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:14 pm

mrmangs wrote:Decision today! And got into the website... That means I'm good right?


Congrats!! Mind if I ask when you submitted?

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby Deuce » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:15 pm

arism87 wrote:
mrmangs wrote:Decision today! And got into the website... That means I'm good right?


Congrats!! Mind if I ask when you submitted?


+1

and #s if you don't mind PMing them?

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby dooterdude11 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:20 pm

wackyjack22 wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
wackyjack22 wrote:
dabbadon8 wrote:I feel that most people that have been admitted so far are auto-admits. Have any non URM splitters or reverse splitters been admitted? I am a splitter and I saw people on LSN with my numbers were all admitted if they applied early (I applied the first day), most got money too, but nothing so far for me...


I would venture to say that I was not an auto-admit but I guess I could be mistaken. I am out of state but did write a personal statement and a DS both centered around being a lesbian so that could have helped. Just a thought...


3.9/170 is pretty much an auto admit at Michigan lol.


I suck at updating my profile but real stats are 3.84/170. I don't quite understand auto-admit stuff so maybe I am still in that category? Hmm...


:Untrue. I'm 171/4.0 and did optionals yet still not admitted.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby lshamlet » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:22 pm

by "auto-admit," he's not claimiong that you get admitted any faster than others, he's claiming that when they do get to your app, your numbers will guarantee you acceptance, although i am not sure that's true. their new 75th is 171, not 170
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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby dabbadon8 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:24 pm

lshamlet wrote:by "auto-admit," he's not claimiong that you get admitted any faster than others, he's claiming that when they do get to your app, your numbers will guarantee you acceptance, although i am not sure that's true. i'm sure michigan's medians have risen since the 2008 numbers posted on this website


Pretty sure they are the same +.01 gpa

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby lshamlet » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:25 pm

dabbadon8 wrote:
lshamlet wrote:by "auto-admit," he's not claimiong that you get admitted any faster than others, he's claiming that when they do get to your app, your numbers will guarantee you acceptance, although i am not sure that's true. i'm sure michigan's medians have risen since the 2008 numbers posted on this website


Pretty sure they are the same +.01 gpa


you got me before i edited! :)

http://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestu ... stics.aspx

anyway yeah, the 75th gpa is now 3.85 and the 75th lsat is now 171

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby mr_toad » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:26 pm

http://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestu ... .aspx#lsat

He's right... 171 is new 75th. I didn't know that... :(

edited: sorry, beaten to the punch.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby lshamlet » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:28 pm

the way nearly all schools' medians just keep rising and rising, it seems like within 10 years every single law school is gonna have medians of 4.0 and 180 lol. i wonder when it tapers off.
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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby dooterdude11 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:28 pm

I applied 9/29. They already have gotten my app.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby mr_toad » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:29 pm

We'll see what happens this year, what with the supposed ~10% drop in LSAT takers (hearsay, haven't seen the actual numbers)... means medians could hold or even drop at some schools (sure, just speculation, but seems reasonable... logic born of hope!)

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby DreamShake » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:31 pm

lshamlet wrote:the way nearly all schools' medians just keep rising and rising, it seems like within 10 years every single law school is gonna have medians of 4.0 and 180 lol. i wonder when it tapers off.


Probably when the economy recovers, decreasing test-taker population and number of testers scoring 170+.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby WestOfTheRest » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:35 pm

DreamShake wrote:
lshamlet wrote:the way nearly all schools' medians just keep rising and rising, it seems like within 10 years every single law school is gonna have medians of 4.0 and 180 lol. i wonder when it tapers off.


Probably when the economy recovers, decreasing test-taker population and number of testers scoring 170+.

Not necessarily. The test taking population may maintain its current rates, but medians can't continue to rise indefinitely.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby mr_toad » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:41 pm

I'm not a stats guy, but if you have 80,000 discrete test takers in one year, you have about 2000 170+ scores. At 100,000 you have about 2500. Even though 170+ is relatively ridiculously rare, when you have a large body, it makes a difference. With this year dropping again, there will be fewer higher scores, obviously, if LSAC is doing their scaling correctly (which I assume), and I think we can bank on a few schools either going down or taking a hit on GPA (much like Chicago did this term). The numbers I quoted may vary (speculation based on hearsay), but I think the drift of my argument holds (I'm not the first one to make it, but I agree with it).

Edit: I think Chicago actually went down a point on median LSAT and up a bit in GPA, but that really doesn't change anything.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby AreJay711 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:45 pm

CastleRock wrote:
DreamShake wrote:
lshamlet wrote:the way nearly all schools' medians just keep rising and rising, it seems like within 10 years every single law school is gonna have medians of 4.0 and 180 lol. i wonder when it tapers off.


Probably when the economy recovers, decreasing test-taker population and number of testers scoring 170+.

Not necessarily. The test taking population may maintain its current rates, but medians can't continue to rise indefinitely.


I read on here somewhere that adcoms think that last year was an exception and that the numbers will be more like 2008 numbers. I hope that is true. At the same time, the fact that the legal hiring market sucks is becoming more well known so it might not make a difference in the t14.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby mr_toad » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:46 pm

Explain last sentence, please.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby 4102011 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:59 pm

tea_drinker wrote:
dulcatis wrote:
I think I have a serious problem :( I wish UMich were more reliable in terms of when you'd hear back, like CCN. With that you can figure it out within a range of a few days, at most a couple weeks in terms of when you submitted. Maybe Michigan is just trying to make me go completely crazy in preparation for Ann Arbor winters...


You are not from the frost-belt states? And second Mr. Toad's post. You should be more concerned with CCN instead of PMVN


Well I'm from Ohio and go to school in NYC, so I'm not...unaccustomed to snow. But I figure that would be a bit more hardcore than I'm used to.

& I went to a Gtown event where one of the adcomm people specifically said that they think this year won't have as many applicants/won't be as competitive as last year was. Yaaay! :)

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby AreJay711 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:06 pm

mr_toad wrote:Explain last sentence, please.


Knowing how crappy the job market made me me apply way more places. Being from around DC I would have just applied GULC, UVA, Penn, and GW with W&M as a safety. I would never have considered Michigan even though it turned out to be my favorite school let alone Berkeley. As it is I've applied everywhere 4-17 except NW.

I imagine other people are thinking the same way. So someone with good numbers who really wants NYC might decide that instead of just shooting for CLS or NYU and going to Cornell or Fordham if they don't get accepted, they blanket the top 14 and go to the best one that will take them. I think it will be more common as more applicants are aware of the legal market but maybe they will be smart and just not apply.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby pppokerface » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:47 pm

mr_toad wrote:I'm not a stats guy, but if you have 80,000 discrete test takers in one year, you have about 2000 170+ scores. At 100,000 you have about 2500. Even though 170+ is relatively ridiculously rare, when you have a large body, it makes a difference. With this year dropping again, there will be fewer higher scores, obviously, if LSAC is doing their scaling correctly (which I assume), and I think we can bank on a few schools either going down or taking a hit on GPA (much like Chicago did this term). The numbers I quoted may vary (speculation based on hearsay), but I think the drift of my argument holds (I'm not the first one to make it, but I agree with it).

Edit: I think Chicago actually went down a point on median LSAT and up a bit in GPA, but that really doesn't change anything.

Why do you think this about Chicago? Have there been a lot of acceptances yet?

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby WestOfTheRest » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:48 pm

pppokerface wrote:
mr_toad wrote:I'm not a stats guy, but if you have 80,000 discrete test takers in one year, you have about 2000 170+ scores. At 100,000 you have about 2500. Even though 170+ is relatively ridiculously rare, when you have a large body, it makes a difference. With this year dropping again, there will be fewer higher scores, obviously, if LSAC is doing their scaling correctly (which I assume), and I think we can bank on a few schools either going down or taking a hit on GPA (much like Chicago did this term). The numbers I quoted may vary (speculation based on hearsay), but I think the drift of my argument holds (I'm not the first one to make it, but I agree with it).

Edit: I think Chicago actually went down a point on median LSAT and up a bit in GPA, but that really doesn't change anything.

Why do you think this about Chicago? Have there been a lot of acceptances yet?

It's from last cycle.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby Deuce » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:50 pm

s0ph1e2007 wrote:I think it's so funny that people are afraid of Michigan winters. yea they're cold, but you're not outside that much, and it's GORGEOUS + sickkk skying/boarding all over the state
I love them :)


I consider anything under 70 to be absolutely freezing. But I'll take 24/7 numbness for Michigan. Should've included that in my why mich...

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby vertex » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:04 pm

Found out by snail mail today that I'm in. 3.74/172. Applied way early in September. Anybody know when we're supposed to hear about scholarships?

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby kazu » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:07 pm

vertex wrote:Found out by snail mail today that I'm in. 3.74/172. Applied way early in September. Anybody know when we're supposed to hear about scholarships?

1) What does it say on your status checker?
2) Can you access the admitted student's site?

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby mrmangs » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:31 pm

I also got my mailed acceptance today. Was at home when I got back from work. For those wondering, my status checker only today updated to "decision" and I can access the admitted student's website (so it seems to be a legit way to figure out if you got in or not w/o the mail in hand).

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby vertex » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:35 pm

kazu wrote:1) What does it say on your status checker?
2) Can you access the admitted student's site?


1) It says "Decision"
2) Yes




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