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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby jrose5 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:52 am

ArthurDigbySellers wrote:Status went to decision. Since I received no email about WL, I assume this is either a ding or admit.

That said, I think my checker updated today. I'm afraid to check, frankly.

For Admits, do you get ASW access right away or have you guys not been able to log into ASW and then been able to a day or two later? I plan on checking, but when I check, I want it to be for sure, so I might wait a couple days if this is the case.


I got ASW access even before my status went to "Decision."

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Re: Michigan 2011

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby Zabini » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:05 am

ArthurDigbySellers wrote:For Admits, do you get ASW access right away or have you guys not been able to log into ASW and then been able to a day or two later? I plan on checking, but when I check, I want it to be for sure, so I might wait a couple days if this is the case.


I'm still in a teensy bit of denial so I'm gonna check again at the end of business hours today and again tomorrow (and maybe again on Monday lol) just to be super duper sure.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby ChriLa425 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:09 am

aww I like Michigan, I called and it went straight to a person and she was so nice!

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby TheStrand » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:46 pm

sanetruth wrote:It just seems as though EDing to Mich with decent numbers is less of a safe bet than at any other school (with decent numbers relative to those schools too). I've heard michigan specifically states they have an abnormally small ED class, but i'm just surprised based on this years statistics how few were even accepted out of the pool. As a percentage, I'd wager that its smaller than any other T14.

All EDers are summer starters. There are about 90 summer starters each year, and according to Dean Z's blog, less than half are EDers (informally, I've heard about a third, so about 30-40 admitted EDers a year). I don't know how many apply or how many apply and are accepted at other schools though.

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... aspx?ID=35

I've also spoken to Mich's Admissions people about ED -> RD and in conjunction with what Dean Z says in her blog post above, her feeling seems to be she doesn't want to bind people to Michigan and prefers to accept people through RD so they have choices. Believe what you will though. A cynic might say they're just being conservative and holding out for candidates with higher stats during the regular cycle, but I think given her post there and her later reaction to someone claiming to be forced into enrolling at Mich despite having a desire to go to UF it at least sounds like that's a reason a lot of people are rolled over.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby descartesb4thehorse » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:57 pm

TheStrand wrote:
sanetruth wrote:It just seems as though EDing to Mich with decent numbers is less of a safe bet than at any other school (with decent numbers relative to those schools too). I've heard michigan specifically states they have an abnormally small ED class, but i'm just surprised based on this years statistics how few were even accepted out of the pool. As a percentage, I'd wager that its smaller than any other T14.

All EDers are summer starters. There are about 90 summer starters each year, and according to Dean Z's blog, less than half are EDers (informally, I've heard about a third, so about 30-40 admitted EDers a year). I don't know how many apply or how many apply and are accepted at other schools though.

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... aspx?ID=35

I've also spoken to Mich's Admissions people about ED -> RD and in conjunction with what Dean Z says in her blog post above, her feeling seems to be she doesn't want to bind people to Michigan and prefers to accept people through RD so they have choices. Believe what you will though. A cynic might say they're just being conservative and holding out for candidates with higher stats during the regular cycle, but I think given her post there and her later reaction to someone claiming to be forced into enrolling at Mich despite having a desire to go to UF it at least sounds like that's a reason a lot of people are rolled over.


1. Don't ED. 2. Avoid the WL. 3. Profit.
It sounds as if 99% of Michigan's class is made up of RD applicants who were never waitlisted and offered $$. That's interesting for future applicants to know.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby R.R. Raskolnikov » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:01 pm

descartesb4thehorse wrote:
TheStrand wrote:
sanetruth wrote:It just seems as though EDing to Mich with decent numbers is less of a safe bet than at any other school (with decent numbers relative to those schools too). I've heard michigan specifically states they have an abnormally small ED class, but i'm just surprised based on this years statistics how few were even accepted out of the pool. As a percentage, I'd wager that its smaller than any other T14.

All EDers are summer starters. There are about 90 summer starters each year, and according to Dean Z's blog, less than half are EDers (informally, I've heard about a third, so about 30-40 admitted EDers a year). I don't know how many apply or how many apply and are accepted at other schools though.

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... aspx?ID=35

I've also spoken to Mich's Admissions people about ED -> RD and in conjunction with what Dean Z says in her blog post above, her feeling seems to be she doesn't want to bind people to Michigan and prefers to accept people through RD so they have choices. Believe what you will though. A cynic might say they're just being conservative and holding out for candidates with higher stats during the regular cycle, but I think given her post there and her later reaction to someone claiming to be forced into enrolling at Mich despite having a desire to go to UF it at least sounds like that's a reason a lot of people are rolled over.


1. Don't ED. 2. Avoid the WL. 3. Profit.
It sounds as if 99% of Michigan's class is made up of RD applicants who were never waitlisted and offered $$. That's interesting for future applicants to know.


On an unrelated note, nice avatar :D

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby descartesb4thehorse » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:27 pm

R.R. Raskolnikov wrote:
descartesb4thehorse wrote:
TheStrand wrote:
sanetruth wrote:It just seems as though EDing to Mich with decent numbers is less of a safe bet than at any other school (with decent numbers relative to those schools too). I've heard michigan specifically states they have an abnormally small ED class, but i'm just surprised based on this years statistics how few were even accepted out of the pool. As a percentage, I'd wager that its smaller than any other T14.

All EDers are summer starters. There are about 90 summer starters each year, and according to Dean Z's blog, less than half are EDers (informally, I've heard about a third, so about 30-40 admitted EDers a year). I don't know how many apply or how many apply and are accepted at other schools though.

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... aspx?ID=35

I've also spoken to Mich's Admissions people about ED -> RD and in conjunction with what Dean Z says in her blog post above, her feeling seems to be she doesn't want to bind people to Michigan and prefers to accept people through RD so they have choices. Believe what you will though. A cynic might say they're just being conservative and holding out for candidates with higher stats during the regular cycle, but I think given her post there and her later reaction to someone claiming to be forced into enrolling at Mich despite having a desire to go to UF it at least sounds like that's a reason a lot of people are rolled over.


1. Don't ED. 2. Avoid the WL. 3. Profit.
It sounds as if 99% of Michigan's class is made up of RD applicants who were never waitlisted and offered $$. That's interesting for future applicants to know.


On an unrelated note, nice avatar :D


Damn! Foiled by BL & his amazing law blog. Might have to switch to "Better Call Saul" Goodman.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby R.R. Raskolnikov » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:36 pm

descartesb4thehorse wrote:
R.R. Raskolnikov wrote:
descartesb4thehorse wrote:
TheStrand wrote:All EDers are summer starters. There are about 90 summer starters each year, and according to Dean Z's blog, less than half are EDers (informally, I've heard about a third, so about 30-40 admitted EDers a year). I don't know how many apply or how many apply and are accepted at other schools though.

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... aspx?ID=35

I've also spoken to Mich's Admissions people about ED -> RD and in conjunction with what Dean Z says in her blog post above, her feeling seems to be she doesn't want to bind people to Michigan and prefers to accept people through RD so they have choices. Believe what you will though. A cynic might say they're just being conservative and holding out for candidates with higher stats during the regular cycle, but I think given her post there and her later reaction to someone claiming to be forced into enrolling at Mich despite having a desire to go to UF it at least sounds like that's a reason a lot of people are rolled over.


1. Don't ED. 2. Avoid the WL. 3. Profit.
It sounds as if 99% of Michigan's class is made up of RD applicants who were never waitlisted and offered $$. That's interesting for future applicants to know.


On an unrelated note, nice avatar :D


Damn! Foiled by BL & his amazing law blog. Might have to switch to "Better Call Saul" Goodman.


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Re: Michigan 2011

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby sanetruth » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:39 am

descartesb4thehorse wrote:
TheStrand wrote:
sanetruth wrote:It just seems as though EDing to Mich with decent numbers is less of a safe bet than at any other school (with decent numbers relative to those schools too). I've heard michigan specifically states they have an abnormally small ED class, but i'm just surprised based on this years statistics how few were even accepted out of the pool. As a percentage, I'd wager that its smaller than any other T14.

All EDers are summer starters. There are about 90 summer starters each year, and according to Dean Z's blog, less than half are EDers (informally, I've heard about a third, so about 30-40 admitted EDers a year). I don't know how many apply or how many apply and are accepted at other schools though.

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... aspx?ID=35

I've also spoken to Mich's Admissions people about ED -> RD and in conjunction with what Dean Z says in her blog post above, her feeling seems to be she doesn't want to bind people to Michigan and prefers to accept people through RD so they have choices. Believe what you will though. A cynic might say they're just being conservative and holding out for candidates with higher stats during the regular cycle, but I think given her post there and her later reaction to someone claiming to be forced into enrolling at Mich despite having a desire to go to UF it at least sounds like that's a reason a lot of people are rolled over.


1. Don't ED. 2. Avoid the WL. 3. Profit.
It sounds as if 99% of Michigan's class is made up of RD applicants who were never waitlisted and offered $$. That's interesting for future applicants to know.


So basically what you're saying is that for Michigan, you're WORSE off EDing than applying RD. That seems to confirm what I initially said. Absolutely bizarre.

Unfortunately, for me, when I apply next cycle, not EDing somewhere is not an option (splitter). So if Michigan ED is not recommended but an ED somewhere else is necessary, chances at michigan are thus diminished. Bah.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby wildcathighfive » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:04 pm

sanetruth wrote:
descartesb4thehorse wrote:
TheStrand wrote:
sanetruth wrote:It just seems as though EDing to Mich with decent numbers is less of a safe bet than at any other school (with decent numbers relative to those schools too). I've heard michigan specifically states they have an abnormally small ED class, but i'm just surprised based on this years statistics how few were even accepted out of the pool. As a percentage, I'd wager that its smaller than any other T14.

All EDers are summer starters. There are about 90 summer starters each year, and according to Dean Z's blog, less than half are EDers (informally, I've heard about a third, so about 30-40 admitted EDers a year). I don't know how many apply or how many apply and are accepted at other schools though.

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/a2z ... aspx?ID=35

I've also spoken to Mich's Admissions people about ED -> RD and in conjunction with what Dean Z says in her blog post above, her feeling seems to be she doesn't want to bind people to Michigan and prefers to accept people through RD so they have choices. Believe what you will though. A cynic might say they're just being conservative and holding out for candidates with higher stats during the regular cycle, but I think given her post there and her later reaction to someone claiming to be forced into enrolling at Mich despite having a desire to go to UF it at least sounds like that's a reason a lot of people are rolled over.


1. Don't ED. 2. Avoid the WL. 3. Profit.
It sounds as if 99% of Michigan's class is made up of RD applicants who were never waitlisted and offered $$. That's interesting for future applicants to know.


So basically what you're saying is that for Michigan, you're WORSE off EDing than applying RD. That seems to confirm what I initially said. Absolutely bizarre.

Unfortunately, for me, when I apply next cycle, not EDing somewhere is not an option (splitter). So if Michigan ED is not recommended but an ED somewhere else is necessary, chances at michigan are thus diminished. Bah.



well, hold on. i don't think this is a general rule. i was a 169/3.4, so obviously not great chances (i also needed to ED somewhere), and i got in ED. I also got $, which was obviously not necessary but they did it anyway. i really think michigan is truly holistic and if you make a good case for wanting to be bound to attend/they agree with your reasons for wanting to go, then they will acknowledge that. if you're a splitter there is good cause to make that gamble.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby TheStrand » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:44 pm

sanetruth wrote:So basically what you're saying is that for Michigan, you're WORSE off EDing than applying RD. That seems to confirm what I initially said. Absolutely bizarre.

Unfortunately, for me, when I apply next cycle, not EDing somewhere is not an option (splitter). So if Michigan ED is not recommended but an ED somewhere else is necessary, chances at michigan are thus diminished. Bah.

Sorry that's not what I meant! I definitely think my chances were very much improved by doing ED (PM if you want my actual stats).I know several people who had stats similar to mine who RDed and did not get in despite writing Why Mich's and all that. So I think it definitely helps at least a little bit, and indicates how interested you are. Also, it's a bit less stressful to submit and get an answer that early--if you do get your answer--so there are benefits. But I was more speculating a response to someone earlier on who wanted to know why so many people were rolled over. Also, like wildcat, I got aid even though I EDed (need-based no less) so on that front it won't hurt you either.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby d34d9823 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:33 pm

My complete date just changed today. What does that mean?

(Sorry if this is pages back but I don't know where it would be in any case and would rather ask than read 160 pages.)

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby tguk53 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:36 pm

d34dluk3 wrote:My complete date just changed today. What does that mean?

(Sorry if this is pages back but I don't know where it would be in any case and would rather ask than read 160 pages.)


Your complete date changes every day. Except for Sunday, I think?

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby d34d9823 » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:36 pm

tguk53 wrote:
d34dluk3 wrote:My complete date just changed today. What does that mean?

(Sorry if this is pages back but I don't know where it would be in any case and would rather ask than read 160 pages.)


Your complete date changes every day. Save for Sunday, I think?

Thanks!

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby whitman » Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:07 pm

Michigan, why can't you just give me a decision?

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby FourOnTheFloor » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:01 am

I was offered a spot on the waitlist last week, and was actually quite pleased. I assumed my numbers weren't competitive enough, although I have quite a bit of work experience.

I'm in the process of writing my LOCI, and have acquired a third letter of recommendation. However, when I applied at Michigan, I did not write any of the optional essays. I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to write them now and submit them with my LOCI. I suppose it can only help.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby jrose5 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:06 am

FourOnTheFloor wrote:I was offered a spot on the waitlist last week, and was actually quite pleased. I assumed my numbers weren't competitive enough, although I have quite a bit of work experience.

I'm in the process of writing my LOCI, and have acquired a third letter of recommendation. However, when I applied at Michigan, I did not write any of the optional essays. I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to write them now and submit them with my LOCI. I suppose it can only help.


I would call to ask about this sort of thing. It will only take you 3 minutes, and you will get a definite answer. best of luck!

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby Dinho » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:24 pm

wildcathighfive wrote:well, hold on. i don't think this is a general rule. i was a 169/3.4, so obviously not great chances (i also needed to ED somewhere), and i got in ED. I also got $, which was obviously not necessary but they did it anyway. i really think michigan is truly holistic and if you make a good case for wanting to be bound to attend/they agree with your reasons for wanting to go, then they will acknowledge that. if you're a splitter there is good cause to make that gamble.


I'm sure you presented a great case and had a compelling application, but it's true that a solid amount of splitters this cycle got deferred from ED and then waitlisted -- myself included. I'm sticking with the waitlist, but it looks like I'm going to reapply next cycle and I don't think I'll be signing the ED contract next time.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby tguk53 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:26 pm

How many of us have still not heard anything? I applied early January and still not a word.

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby squirrelgirl » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:36 pm

tguk53 wrote:How many of us have still not heard anything? I applied early January and still not a word.

I applied mid-December and nothing. Michigan, you are making me very sad!

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby daydreamer » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:05 pm

I applied mid-November and I'm still waiting. :(

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby bafanahoy » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:24 pm

mid October here :shock: I guess there is nothing left to do but to wait :wink: . Does anyone think we will hear right before deposit deadline (end of April) or are you all hopeful that we'll hear back within the next week or two?

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Re: Michigan 2011

Postby ArthurDigbySellers » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:35 pm

Status checker went to decision last Monday or Tuesday, no ASW access, yet still no ding letter.

According to the status checker email " the final-decision indicator won’t appear until a couple of days after a decision letter has already been mailed." Therefore, assuming they follow their own rules, the week of March 14th (most likely Friday the 18th, the day of the WL emails of doom).

So-is it a glitch? How in the hell is my letter not in New York yet?




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