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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby annie2010 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:40 pm

vertex wrote:Don't make fun of me, but I ran the LSN data we have from last year through a multivariate analysis (in JMP, for all you engineers out there), and here are a few findings that might help ease the anxiety:

The best indicator of what "wave" you hear back in ED is LSAT*GPA. No surprise there. But what will surprise you is that those of you who went complete later (like post-11/8), higher LSAT and GPA scores correlate with later decision dates. Essentially, lower GPA and LSAT combined with a later complete date means they will hear back earlier than those of you with a higher score in any of those.

To put it another way, those of you with good scores (170+, 3.6+) that went complete late (11/8 or later), your acceptance will come, just not right away. This is based on last year's data and it has iffy statistical significance (P=.12)

Anyway, just a rough analysis, and it's probably all wrong. The point is this: if either of your scores good, don't look at last year's LSN data that shows a bunch of rejections/waitlists for the latter wave of ED decisions and think you won't get an acceptance, since the vast majority of those negative decisions were people who didn't have solid numbers.

Sit tight everyone, we're gonna be classmates next year. And I'm gonna need to borrow your notes... :wink:


yes, you can borrow my notes. well a few times until we're even and then you have to start sharing too, cause it sounds like youre pretty smart... :D

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby rupret1 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:41 pm

vertex wrote:Don't make fun of me, but I ran the LSN data we have from last year through a multivariate analysis (in JMP, for all you engineers out there), and here are a few findings that might help ease the anxiety:

The best indicator of what "wave" you hear back in ED is LSAT*GPA. No surprise there. But what will surprise you is that those of you who went complete later (like post-11/8), higher LSAT and GPA scores correlate with later decision dates. Essentially, lower GPA and LSAT combined with a later complete date means they will hear back earlier than those of you with a higher score in any of those.

To put it another way, those of you with good scores (170+, 3.6+) that went complete late (11/8 or later), your acceptance will come, just not right away. This is based on last year's data and it has iffy statistical significance (P=.12)

Anyway, just a rough analysis, and it's probably all wrong. The point is this: if either of your scores good, don't look at last year's LSN data that shows a bunch of rejections/waitlists for the latter wave of ED decisions and think you won't get an acceptance, since the vast majority of those negative decisions were people who didn't have solid numbers.

Sit tight everyone, we're gonna be classmates next year. And I'm gonna need to borrow your notes... :wink:


Huh?

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby piccolittle » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:45 pm

Vertex, you are the cutest. I hope you're right!

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby shanemahsa » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:02 pm

vertex wrote:Don't make fun of me, but I ran the LSN data we have from last year through a multivariate analysis (in JMP, for all you engineers out there), and here are a few findings that might help ease the anxiety:

The best indicator of what "wave" you hear back in ED is LSAT*GPA. No surprise there. But what will surprise you is that those of you who went complete later (like post-11/8), higher LSAT and GPA scores correlate with later decision dates. Essentially, lower GPA and LSAT combined with a later complete date means they will hear back earlier than those of you with a higher score in any of those.

To put it another way, those of you with good scores (170+, 3.6+) that went complete late (11/8 or later), your acceptance will come, just not right away. This is based on last year's data and it has iffy statistical significance (P=.12)

Anyway, just a rough analysis, and it's probably all wrong. The point is this: if either of your scores good, don't look at last year's LSN data that shows a bunch of rejections/waitlists for the latter wave of ED decisions and think you won't get an acceptance, since the vast majority of those negative decisions were people who didn't have solid numbers.

Sit tight everyone, we're gonna be classmates next year. And I'm gonna need to borrow your notes... :wink:

Jeez vertex you are so awesome! Thread MVP nomination.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby Ghost » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:41 pm

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby JoeShmoe11 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:52 pm

vertex wrote:Don't make fun of me, but I ran the LSN data we have from last year through a multivariate analysis (in JMP, for all you engineers out there), and here are a few findings that might help ease the anxiety:

The best indicator of what "wave" you hear back in ED is LSAT*GPA. No surprise there. But what will surprise you is that those of you who went complete later (like post-11/8), higher LSAT and GPA scores correlate with later decision dates. Essentially, lower GPA and LSAT combined with a later complete date means they will hear back earlier than those of you with a higher score in any of those.

To put it another way, those of you with good scores (170+, 3.6+) that went complete late (11/8 or later), your acceptance will come, just not right away. This is based on last year's data and it has iffy statistical significance (P=.12)

Anyway, just a rough analysis, and it's probably all wrong. The point is this: if either of your scores good, don't look at last year's LSN data that shows a bunch of rejections/waitlists for the latter wave of ED decisions and think you won't get an acceptance, since the vast majority of those negative decisions were people who didn't have solid numbers.

Sit tight everyone, we're gonna be classmates next year. And I'm gonna need to borrow your notes... :wink:


Wow vertex you are the best. Haha thanks for all the work! This seems like good news to me even if the correlation is small. That's a lot of work for someone who already got accepted - do you love us that much or do you REALLY like math?

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby catsparka » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:43 pm

vertex, you had me at multivariate analysis.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby c_dubya_s » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:53 pm

vertex wrote:Don't make fun of me, but I ran the LSN data we have from last year through a multivariate analysis (in JMP, for all you engineers out there), and here are a few findings that might help ease the anxiety:

The best indicator of what "wave" you hear back in ED is LSAT*GPA. No surprise there. But what will surprise you is that those of you who went complete later (like post-11/8), higher LSAT and GPA scores correlate with later decision dates. Essentially, lower GPA and LSAT combined with a later complete date means they will hear back earlier than those of you with a higher score in any of those.

To put it another way, those of you with good scores (170+, 3.6+) that went complete late (11/8 or later), your acceptance will come, just not right away. This is based on last year's data and it has iffy statistical significance (P=.12)

Anyway, just a rough analysis, and it's probably all wrong. The point is this: if either of your scores good, don't look at last year's LSN data that shows a bunch of rejections/waitlists for the latter wave of ED decisions and think you won't get an acceptance, since the vast majority of those negative decisions were people who didn't have solid numbers.

Sit tight everyone, we're gonna be classmates next year. And I'm gonna need to borrow your notes... :wink:


You're either God, or you have way, way too much time on your hands. Either way, this is AWESOME.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby vertex » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:17 pm

I just love you guys, and I know how much it sucks to be in this waiting game. But don't trip because tomorrow's the big day! Hold on to your hats!!

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby moxiepostulate » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:53 pm

Just catching up on the lolcats and Vertex love going on in this thread. Definitely kudos to you Vertex, some pretty sweet analysis ;-) Would be proud to call someone like you a classmate! Here's hoping.

As for myself, I FINALLY went complete today. A very nice birthday present. Now just another two months or so of torture... Sigh.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby Z3RO » Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:59 pm

moxiepostulate wrote:Just catching up on the lolcats and Vertex love going on in this thread. Definitely kudos to you Vertex, some pretty sweet analysis ;-) Would be proud to call someone like you a classmate! Here's hoping.

As for myself, I FINALLY went complete today. A very nice birthday present. Now just another two months or so of torture... Sigh.

After I went complete around Dec 12th last year, I found out in early February that I was placed on Hold. I would be reevaluated in April.

In early June I found out that I was placed on the first wait-list. I decided to drop off the list and reapply next year. I imagine that I would probably have landed on the second wait-list and never heard anything since.

Do not take 8 weeks for granted...

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby WestOfTheRest » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:01 pm

Z3RO wrote:
moxiepostulate wrote:Just catching up on the lolcats and Vertex love going on in this thread. Definitely kudos to you Vertex, some pretty sweet analysis ;-) Would be proud to call someone like you a classmate! Here's hoping.

As for myself, I FINALLY went complete today. A very nice birthday present. Now just another two months or so of torture... Sigh.

After I went complete around Dec 12th last year, I found out in early February that I was placed on Hold. I would be reevaluated in April.

In early June I found out that I was placed on the first wait-list. I decided to drop off the list and reapply next year. I imagine that I would probably have landed on the second wait-list and never heard anything since.

Do not take 8 weeks for granted...

Wow.... what a downer. You're really bringing the mood of the boards down tonight.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby Z3RO » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:03 pm

CastleRock wrote:
Z3RO wrote:
moxiepostulate wrote:Just catching up on the lolcats and Vertex love going on in this thread. Definitely kudos to you Vertex, some pretty sweet analysis ;-) Would be proud to call someone like you a classmate! Here's hoping.

As for myself, I FINALLY went complete today. A very nice birthday present. Now just another two months or so of torture... Sigh.

After I went complete around Dec 12th last year, I found out in early February that I was placed on Hold. I would be reevaluated in April.

In early June I found out that I was placed on the first wait-list. I decided to drop off the list and reapply next year. I imagine that I would probably have landed on the second wait-list and never heard anything since.

Do not take 8 weeks for granted...

Wow.... what a downer. You're really bringing the mood of the boards down tonight.

Sorry. I'm not trying to do that. I know everybody's neurotic about their decisions. I went through this last year with bad result, so I guess I have nothing but bummer stories to tell about the process.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby s0ph1e2007 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:09 pm

If you think about it, it's really only a month and some odd days.
A month isn't so long!!

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby JoeShmoe11 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:12 pm

Z3RO wrote:
CastleRock wrote:
Z3RO wrote:
moxiepostulate wrote:Just catching up on the lolcats and Vertex love going on in this thread. Definitely kudos to you Vertex, some pretty sweet analysis ;-) Would be proud to call someone like you a classmate! Here's hoping.

As for myself, I FINALLY went complete today. A very nice birthday present. Now just another two months or so of torture... Sigh.

After I went complete around Dec 12th last year, I found out in early February that I was placed on Hold. I would be reevaluated in April.

In early June I found out that I was placed on the first wait-list. I decided to drop off the list and reapply next year. I imagine that I would probably have landed on the second wait-list and never heard anything since.

Do not take 8 weeks for granted...


Wow.... what a downer. You're really bringing the mood of the boards down tonight.

Sorry. I'm not trying to do that. I know everybody's neurotic about their decisions. I went through this last year with bad result, so I guess I have nothing but bummer stories to tell about the process.


Keep your chin up! Its beyond your control now. Just relax and try to realize it won't be the end of the world no matter what happens.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby moxiepostulate » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:30 pm

Agreed!

Heck, I figure I applied to enough places that I'm getting something legit/interesting in the mail at least once every week or two now :)

Hearing back from one school has made the whole crazy process a lot more enjoyable, true story. Eventually I'll get in or be rejected by all the schools, and I'll end up going somewhere quite lovely because I worked my tail off and have lived like a shut-in for the better part of a year.

Really, that's the case for all of us, right? We're smart cookies all 'round and we fight until we get where we want to be. *positive vibes to thread*

Even the endless mailings from schools I don't intend to apply to are sort of nice. I never get anything in the mail usually, and seeing my name on a piece of paper is pleasant in a narcissistic sort of way. :oops:

Besides, I just get to be excited for all of you early birdies as you hear back in January! I'm crossing my fingers for February. Better a vomit colored envelop than a valentine!

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby WestOfTheRest » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:33 pm

moxiepostulate wrote:Agreed!

Heck, I figure I applied to enough places that I'm getting something legit/interesting in the mail at least once every week or two now :)

Hearing back from one school has made the whole crazy process a lot more enjoyable, true story. Eventually I'll get in or be rejected by all the schools, and I'll end up going somewhere quite lovely because I worked my tail off and have lived like a shut-in for the better part of a year.

Really, that's the case for all of us, right? We're smart cookies all 'round and we fight until we get where we want to be. *positive vibes to thread*

Even the endless mailings from schools I don't intend to apply to are sort of nice. I never get anything in the mail usually, and seeing my name on a piece of paper is pleasant in a narcissistic sort of way. :oops:

Besides, I just get to be excited for all of you early birdies as you hear back in January! I'm crossing my fingers for February. Better a vomit colored envelop than a valentine!

+1 for all the crap about the mail. Sad, I know.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby s0ph1e2007 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:44 pm

moxiepostulate wrote:Better a vomit colored envelop than a valentine!


bahaha

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby law_monkey » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:06 pm

Heck, I figure I applied to enough places that I'm getting something legit/interesting in the mail at least once every week or two now :)




Same here! I'm even looking forward to the lower schools that I probably won't go to now because at least it's something exciting in between all the bigger decisions. Good luck EDers. RDers, our time will come!!!

In over 30 days

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby T6Hopeful » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:11 pm

moxiepostulate wrote:Heck, I figure I applied to enough places that I'm getting something legit/interesting in the mail at least once every week or two now :)

Or, if you're me, hearing dead silence for a few weeks at a time, getting a flood of updates, and then resuming silence... :shock:

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby law_monkey » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:14 pm

T6Hopeful wrote:
moxiepostulate wrote:Heck, I figure I applied to enough places that I'm getting something legit/interesting in the mail at least once every week or two now :)

Or, if you're me, hearing dead silence for a few weeks at a time, getting a flood of updates, and then resuming silence... :shock:


Yeah that's actually a more accurate description.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby kak5n » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:22 am

T6Hopeful wrote:
moxiepostulate wrote:Heck, I figure I applied to enough places that I'm getting something legit/interesting in the mail at least once every week or two now :)

Or, if you're me, hearing dead silence for a few weeks at a time, getting a flood of updates, and then resuming silence... :shock:


+1

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby 7ED » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:55 am

Lol. I still can't figure out what a "vomit coloured envelope" would look like.

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby law_monkey » Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:01 am

7ED wrote:Lol. I still can't figure out what a "vomit coloured envelope" would look like.


I would imagine the same way a vomit flavored Bertie Bott's bean tastes...

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Re: Columbia 2011!

Postby kak5n » Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:33 am

law_monkey wrote:
7ED wrote:Lol. I still can't figure out what a "vomit coloured envelope" would look like.


I would imagine the same way a vomit flavored Bertie Bott's bean tastes...

LOVE.




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