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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Capitol A » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:55 pm

I had a fee waiver from SMU that I didn't know about until I started to submit the app. Obviously I don't know how common that is, but if you're waiting to hear back about a waiver, you might just double check.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Burgstaller04 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:32 pm

CSCS Trainer wrote:
JRDallas11 wrote:
kalvano wrote:
CSCS Trainer wrote:As was asked earlier in this thread - how much does work experience ( 10+ years ) and a graduate degree weigh in on the admissions at SMU? Thanks!



Some, I'm sure. They commented on my work experience in my acceptance letter.

Not enough to admit you if your numbers aren't there unless the work is truly extraordinary.


+1

You need to be above the median for GPA or LSAT or else they won't give you a second thought...unless you've cured cancer or started Facebook, then they might consider you. As much as SMU says they look at the applicant "holistically" they work the numbers just like many of the other schools. And when you're teetering in the mid-to-high 40's in the national rankings, you can bet they are paying a lot of attention to numbers, especially given how many more applicants are applying to law school these days.


Hopefully it weighs in the decision. I'm waiting on my last LSAT score from 10/10, but my previous LSAT was at the median. I've got several years in regional management experience with a national company, and I've started my own company - so hopefully that helps some. Fingers crossed! Thanks for the info.


When you guys talk about the median do you mean the combined median of the pt and ft or just one or the other?

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:15 pm

CSCS Trainer wrote:
JRDallas11 wrote:
kalvano wrote:
CSCS Trainer wrote:As was asked earlier in this thread - how much does work experience ( 10+ years ) and a graduate degree weigh in on the admissions at SMU? Thanks!



Some, I'm sure. They commented on my work experience in my acceptance letter.

Not enough to admit you if your numbers aren't there unless the work is truly extraordinary.


+1

You need to be above the median for GPA or LSAT or else they won't give you a second thought...unless you've cured cancer or started Facebook, then they might consider you. As much as SMU says they look at the applicant "holistically" they work the numbers just like many of the other schools. And when you're teetering in the mid-to-high 40's in the national rankings, you can bet they are paying a lot of attention to numbers, especially given how many more applicants are applying to law school these days.


Hopefully it weighs in the decision. I'm waiting on my last LSAT score from 10/10, but my previous LSAT was at the median. I've got several years in regional management experience with a national company, and I've started my own company - so hopefully that helps some. Fingers crossed! Thanks for the info.



I think they give you some leniency on the GPA if you've been out of school a while. Mine sucked, and I still got in.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Capitol A » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:37 pm

I know this might be better for the "what are my chances area," but it's on topic...Everyone talks about needing to be above the LSAT median...Does it matter how much? For example, my LSAT is 165, while SMU's median is 164. Should that make me confident in my chances for admission even though my GPA is low (3.62; but I have been out of school for 7years).
THanks.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:56 pm

Capitol A wrote:I know this might be better for the "what are my chances area," but it's on topic...Everyone talks about needing to be above the LSAT median...Does it matter how much? For example, my LSAT is 165, while SMU's median is 164. Should that make me confident in my chances for admission even though my GPA is low (3.62; but I have been out of school for 7years).
THanks.



I can almost guarantee you will get in with money.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Capitol A » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:03 am

I can almost guarantee you will get in with money.[/quote]

Just so you know...Now that you've said this, if it doesn't happen, I will find you....I'm kidding of course (sort of), but I hope you're right. This entire process has me super anxious.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:16 am

Capitol A wrote:I can almost guarantee you will get in with money.


Just so you know...Now that you've said this, if it doesn't happen, I will find you....I'm kidding of course (sort of), but I hope you're right. This entire process has me super anxious.[/quote]


I look exactly like my avatar and attend SMU.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Capitol A » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:43 am

I look exactly like my avatar and attend SMU.


I visited SMU about a month ago. I don't remember seeing a skinny dude with blonde hair in a mesh shirt, but maybe I'll keep an eye our for you next year.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Fred_McGriff » Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:43 am

Highly doubt I'm getting in, but threw an app out there!

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby KAM » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:51 pm

Hopefully I get to apply tomorrow once I recieve my score!

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby da87 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:30 pm

I noticed that this year a few things are different as far as admissions: First, the director of admissions is a different person, Jill Nikirk. Second, letters of recommendation are optional. Third, the early decision date is earlier than last year...November 1st as opposed to December 1st for last year. I wonder how these things will change or affect admissions vs. last year? Does anyone think they will release early decisions sooner than last year?

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby annelise88 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:54 am

Well, this sucks. I just received my Oct LSAT score back. 155. Complete devastation. I was PTing in the mid 160s. I am registered for the December LSAT, so now the question becomes, do I apply now to SMU with the low LSAT score, or should I wait until I receive the Dec. score, making it much later in the cycle?

My application is already going to be a bit weird as I received my UG degree outside of the US. I did go to one year at Texas Tech which LSAC awarded me a 3.72 for. SO.... 3.72, above average foreign degree, and I 155. WHAT NEXT?!

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby annelise88 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:00 am

P.S- My Mom also went to SMU law, if that matters at all?!

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby thegovernor » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:03 am

Does a 3.36/157 have any chance at SMU FT/PT? I have excellent softs

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:02 am

annelise88 wrote:Well, this sucks. I just received my Oct LSAT score back. 155. Complete devastation. I was PTing in the mid 160s. I am registered for the December LSAT, so now the question becomes, do I apply now to SMU with the low LSAT score, or should I wait until I receive the Dec. score, making it much later in the cycle?

My application is already going to be a bit weird as I received my UG degree outside of the US. I did go to one year at Texas Tech which LSAC awarded me a 3.72 for. SO.... 3.72, above average foreign degree, and I 155. WHAT NEXT?!


You need a better LSAT. If you wait, though, you're likely to miss out on scholarship money.

annelise88 wrote:P.S- My Mom also went to SMU law, if that matters at all?!


Not really.

thegovernor wrote:Does a 3.36/157 have any chance at SMU FT/PT? I have excellent softs


PT yes.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Marionberry » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:09 am

Kal, since you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about SMU, two questions:

1) Does a 171, 3.0 with a reasonably compelling GPA addendum have any chance at scholly money.
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Re: SMU 2011

Postby merc280 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:29 am

My new LSAT was the same as last time. Is there anypoint in applying with my stats.

Gpa 2.67
LSAT 149 retake 149 again

Should I even bother applying early decision?

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Marionberry » Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:52 am

merc280 wrote:My new LSAT was the same as last time. Is there anypoint in applying with my stats.

Gpa 2.67
LSAT 149 retake 149 again

Should I even bother applying early decision?



I'll tell you this before someone else comes along and does it in a much more abrasive way. With those numbers, you're not getting into SMU, and ED doesn't really make a difference since it's non binding. Unless someone else is picking up the tab, I would seriously consider whether or not law school is a prudent choice.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:58 pm

Marion -

I think your LSAT will get you money. My GPA was higher, but not by much. Your LSAT is a good bit above mine, and I got about 60% tuition covered.

As far as the other stuff, I don't know. Keep in mind it's more a C&F issues than an issue for the school. Best case is to call and speak with an admissions counselor (not the student that answers the phone but a real counselor) and ask them. They are very helpful and easy to talk to.

I think your LSAT will go a long way, though.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:59 pm

merc280 wrote:My new LSAT was the same as last time. Is there anypoint in applying with my stats.

Gpa 2.67
LSAT 149 retake 149 again

Should I even bother applying early decision?


SMU isn't going to happen, nor is any school really worth attending. Without at least a 15 point jump in the LSAT, I think you need to seriously evaluate whether law school is for you or not.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Marionberry » Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:10 pm

Thanks, I've already looked into C and F issues with an attorney and it's all good. I'm more worried about how, if at all, a checkered past will influence adcomms. I domt think I'd mind SMU at all, so I'm anxious to hear back.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby lawboy22 » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:51 pm

just had a quick ?...submitted my application yesterday through the lsac website, is that all you have to do for the EA? I didnt see a box to check on the application like other schools.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Capitol A » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:37 pm

The box for those other schools indicates you agreeing to a binding EA program. At SMU, the ED is completely non-binding. The date that you submit is the only difference, i.e. if you submit by their ED date, you will have a decision by a slightly earlier date than you will if you submit after.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:48 pm

Marionberry wrote:Thanks, I've already looked into C and F issues with an attorney and it's all good. I'm more worried about how, if at all, a checkered past will influence adcomms. I domt think I'd mind SMU at all, so I'm anxious to hear back.



I don't think so, especially if it's older issues. A 171 trumps most everything but murdering hookers for sport.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:49 pm

Capitol A wrote:The box for those other schools indicates you agreeing to a binding EA program. At SMU, the ED is completely non-binding. The date that you submit is the only difference, i.e. if you submit by their ED date, you will have a decision by a slightly earlier date months before than you will if you submit after.


Fixed one part, otherwise correct.




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