SMU 2011

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby bartleby » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:47 pm

mcnabb5 wrote:This was mentioned in the resurrected 2010 thread- just 66% of SMU grads employed at graduation, according to 2012 USNWR rankings.

Compare to-

Texas 91%
Houston 75%
Emory 65%
Tulane 53%
Baylor 46%


jeez, Tulane and Baylor are that low also?

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby Countachlpsx » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:01 pm

Application complete 2/16/11. Any thoughts, havent heard anything.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby ebo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:09 pm

bartleby wrote:
mcnabb5 wrote:This was mentioned in the resurrected 2010 thread- just 66% of SMU grads employed at graduation, according to 2012 USNWR rankings.

Compare to-

Texas 91%
Houston 75%
Emory 65%
Tulane 53%
Baylor 46%


jeez, Tulane and Baylor are that low also?


Those numbers are pretty sobering...I imagine UH is slightly better because the energy sector has fared better ITE than most industries. Surprised to see Emory and Tulane so low.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:19 pm

mcnabb5 wrote:This was mentioned in the resurrected 2010 thread- just 66% of SMU grads employed at graduation, according to 2012 USNWR rankings.

Compare to-

Texas 91%
Houston 75%
Emory 65%
Tulane 53%
Baylor 46%


The past two years have been some of the worst in legal hiring in a very long time. I don't expect it to be that bad by the time I graduate, and neither should anyone who hasn't even started yet.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:20 pm

Countachlpsx wrote:Application complete 2/16/11. Any thoughts, havent heard anything.



Well, yes, a thought...SMU is slow. Don't expect to hear anything any time soon.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby ebo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:48 pm

kalvano wrote:
mcnabb5 wrote:This was mentioned in the resurrected 2010 thread- just 66% of SMU grads employed at graduation, according to 2012 USNWR rankings.

Compare to-

Texas 91%
Houston 75%
Emory 65%
Tulane 53%
Baylor 46%


The past two years have been some of the worst in legal hiring in a very long time. I don't expect it to be that bad by the time I graduate, and neither should anyone who hasn't even started yet.

What have you heard about this year's OCI and 2L hiring? Better than last year and '09? About the same? Worse?

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:39 pm

The past year (for current 2L's) sucked. However, everyone (and I don't mean career services) has said that this year (my year) will be better. Firms are hiring some summer 1L's, and the legal market is picking up. Even firms I spoke with have said that this year they plan to do more hiring.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby JRDallas11 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:55 pm

Justathought wrote:
avery87 wrote:"Application Completed 3/10." Think I can expect to hear something in the next few days?


Yeah, I would bet it comes before Thursday.


Has anyone been "application completed" and then held, or rejected? Seems that everyone who has been "application completed" has also been accepted a few days later. Accurate?

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby ebo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:01 pm

JRDallas11 wrote:
Justathought wrote:
avery87 wrote:"Application Completed 3/10." Think I can expect to hear something in the next few days?


Yeah, I would bet it comes before Thursday.


Has anyone been "application completed" and then held, or rejected? Seems that everyone who has been "application completed" has also been accepted a few days later. Accurate?

As far as I know, that's right. Maybe someone else has had a different experience

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby pokerlaw » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:13 pm

Ding 3/15

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby tryan » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:15 pm

Unfortunately not in my experience. I applied Dec 9th, received all the login info Dec 10th, and then since December 16th have been "Application Completed". I don't know if your "Application Completed" was new to 3/10, or what it was before then, but mine has been this way since December and I'd sure like a response (hopefully a good one).

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby thewarflamingo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:18 pm

pokerlaw wrote:Ding 3/15

Sorry to hear that. :( Mind sharing when you applied, if you were held originally, etc?

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby always206 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:22 pm

Dinged 3/15

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby pokerlaw » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:23 pm

thewarflamingo wrote:
pokerlaw wrote:Ding 3/15

Sorry to hear that. :( Mind sharing when you applied, if you were held originally, etc?


Applied at Thanksgiving > Held in January > Denied today.

I was ~25% for LSAT and ~75% GPA.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby mbusch22 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:26 pm

scutarius wrote:Got the package in the mail. $11K/yr Dean's Scholarship with Good Standing. It is strange that there was a scholarship letter with the admission package. The voicemail they left said scholarship decisions would be made over the next few weeks and would come in a seperate letter. Is it that the Dean's Scholarship comes with the acceptance and other scholarship offers come later?

Sucks about the rankings, expecially the PT program. SMU is now way behind UH in the PT rankings. They are even behind DU. I don't understand the drop in PT when the FT program is ranked higher than both of those schools. Could it be that SMU doesn't put as much effort into the PT program and students? I would hate to spend this much money and be treated as a second class student.


No. Don't put too much worry into these stupid minor ranking shifts, especially Part Time rankings. An employer will see SMU on your resume in the end, which will speak louder than UH or any other Texas school (other than UT) anyway.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby graceful1 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:22 pm

mbusch22 wrote:
scutarius wrote:Got the package in the mail. $11K/yr Dean's Scholarship with Good Standing. It is strange that there was a scholarship letter with the admission package. The voicemail they left said scholarship decisions would be made over the next few weeks and would come in a seperate letter. Is it that the Dean's Scholarship comes with the acceptance and other scholarship offers come later?

Sucks about the rankings, expecially the PT program. SMU is now way behind UH in the PT rankings. They are even behind DU. I don't understand the drop in PT when the FT program is ranked higher than both of those schools. Could it be that SMU doesn't put as much effort into the PT program and students? I would hate to spend this much money and be treated as a second class student.


No. Don't put too much worry into these stupid minor ranking shifts, especially Part Time rankings. An employer will see SMU on your resume in the end, which will speak louder than UH or any other Texas school (other than UT) anyway.

Amen.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby thewarflamingo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:46 pm

Why doesn't SMU love me? :( They are forcing me to leave TX with their indefinite hold :(

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby bartleby » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:56 pm

Man, I think I'm going to withdraw soon. I was almost set on going yesterday but will likely free up my spot by the end of the week. One of the things that appealed to me about SMU was it supposedly placed really well. But w/ the 66% employment rate at graduation (with that number likely inflated by really rich people with connections that I don't have), I think I'll be leaving Tejas and the great Tex Mex / huge highways.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:23 pm

bartleby wrote:Man, I think I'm going to withdraw soon. I was almost set on going yesterday but will likely free up my spot by the end of the week. One of the things that appealed to me about SMU was it supposedly placed really well. But w/ the 66% employment rate at graduation (with that number likely inflated by really rich people with connections that I don't have), I think I'll be leaving Tejas and the great Tex Mex / huge highways.



That's silly. It places very well. Almost every school had a big drop in placement numbers for the past couple of years.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby bartleby » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:32 pm

Haha, from stalking the SMU threads this past 6 months, I knew you'd post. But the 66% at employment at graduation stat doesn't lie. Worse than UH.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:36 pm

bartleby wrote:Haha, from stalking the SMU threads this past 6 months, I knew you'd post. But the 66% at employment at graduation stat doesn't lie. Worse than UH.


As I said, a lot of schools numbers took a huge dive. It's to be expected. But to see people bail on a historically solid school because of a single dip during a terrible recession is silly.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby bartleby » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:39 pm

kalvano wrote:
bartleby wrote:Haha, from stalking the SMU threads this past 6 months, I knew you'd post. But the 66% at employment at graduation stat doesn't lie. Worse than UH.


As I said, a lot of schools numbers took a huge dive. It's to be expected. But to see people bail on a historically solid school because of a single dip during a terrible recession is silly.


I agree with you. I was just saying that the most appealing aspect of SMU for me was employment numbers. That #27, 16% on NALP, high median salaries, transparent employment stats, etc. So without it, even if it may be temporary, I'll probably pass.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby ebo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:42 pm

bartleby wrote:But the 66% at employment at graduation stat doesn't lie. Worse than UH.

So is UH a better school than Emory?

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby bartleby » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:43 pm

ebo wrote:
bartleby wrote:But the 66% at employment at graduation stat doesn't lie. Worse than UH.

So is UH a better school than Emory?


No, but if I had the choice between going to UH or Emory all things considered, and one of the primary reasons I wanted to go to Emory was because of the great employment prospects, then I'd probably choose UH. I'm not hating on SMU. USN is hating on SMU.

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Re: SMU 2011

Postby kalvano » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:50 pm

bartleby wrote:
kalvano wrote:
bartleby wrote:Haha, from stalking the SMU threads this past 6 months, I knew you'd post. But the 66% at employment at graduation stat doesn't lie. Worse than UH.


As I said, a lot of schools numbers took a huge dive. It's to be expected. But to see people bail on a historically solid school because of a single dip during a terrible recession is silly.


I agree with you. I was just saying that the most appealing aspect of SMU for me was employment numbers. That #27, 16% on NALP, high median salaries, transparent employment stats, etc. So without it, even if it may be temporary, I'll probably pass.



And what I am saying is that that is a reflection of the past 2 years, not the future. You're assuming that those numbers will hold true through the next 4 years.

But assuming that the school's numbers will stay like that when the economy is changing is silly.




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