BlueDiamond wrote:Lwoods wrote:BlueDiamond wrote:

LSAT median is 167.. so your 166 isnt terrible for them as all they need is a 166.5 to show up as a 167.. still very disheartening as im at 165/3.74

Median = middle value in an ordered set

Mean = average value

The only way they'll get 166.5 as the median is if there are an even number of students an the middle two average to 166.5 (ie, 166, 167).

A 166 then, is as helpful to maintaining the 167 median as a 150, so they'll go for a student they'll go for a reverse splitter with a good story and a strong desire to go to Notre Dame.

Plus, they'll need to admit far more 167+ than <167 in order to assure those who enroll have a median of 167

Still, I don't think a waitlist means doom, though, if it's your top choice. Think of it as an opportunity to show that you really want to be there.

I think that was my point unless my math is that terrible.. which is entirely possible.. i was just using the extreme example that half the class is under 167 and half is at or over.. my point was that I'm surprised if thats the only reason for the WL as it wouldnt change their median even if my extreme case were true.. again maybe I'm still messing that up

The thing is, the median is based on those who enroll, not just those they admit. So, they look to the past and see that the higher the LSAT, the more likely the applicant will have better offers and not enroll. I don't know the actual numbers, but to keep it easy, let's say 25% of those with 167+ admitted to ND will enroll whereas 75% of those with <167 admitted will enroll. In order to ensure that and equal number enroll from BOTH SIDES of the median, they would need to admit 3 above median for every 1 below. And really, it's probably more extreme than that. So it's not that they reject or waitlist everyone below their median LSAT, but that there's a much higher threshold for the rest of the application if the applicant's LSAT falls below that median. That's why on TLS most "chances" post look at the numbers and whether they're at, above or below median.

Anyway, sorry for the hijack. good luck!