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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby Lucidity » Wed May 12, 2010 7:03 pm

jgrin wrote:
Lucidity wrote:I don't get it. Are you this dumb? You quoted me correctly, but yet missed the point completely. So i'll mention it again. we are comparing tech vs stcl. Outside of houston, tech places better by far everywhere else. The fact that UH, SMU, or Baylor does well here or there is irrelevant, because we are comparing tech and stcl.

And to beat a dead horse, you applied to tech right? How did that turn out for you? The answer to this question (that i've asked 3 times now) could really go a long way to explain your blind stupidity.


Yeah, and when doing this, you must compare to the rest of the state. I am saying that because Tech does not have a significant impact in any of the four major legal markets, and ST does, then ST is the better school.


No, i must not. Tell me the name of this thread. If i was accepted to stcl and tech, and had to chose between the 2, why would i consider other schools? Imagine you are advising your friend who had only enough money to choose between a civic or a corolla. Instead of only comparing the 2, you tell him to go get a mercedes. Your friend will give you a weird look and tell you that you're an idiot. The merits of UT, SMU, UH, Baylor, etc etc etc are meaningless in the context of this discussion.

I'll give you that stcl grads have good placement in Houston, but this is all i will give you. Tech has superior placement outside of Houston. Instead of disputing this point, you bring in other higher ranked schools into the discussion in what i can only assume as an attempt to libel tech's name because you were rejected from tech, and in some way feel you must champion stcl over tech every chance you get. You didn't get into tech. Quit cryin and get over it.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby wreckem » Wed May 12, 2010 7:03 pm

kalvano wrote:
b.gump81 wrote:this is just ignorance. to say not to go to Tech if someone wants a specific market is just blindly ignoring debt to income ratio.



Not really. Any of the major Texas markets are dominated by their respective schools, just like all the other US legal markets.

Don't go to Tech if you have a burning desire to work in Dallas. Just like don't go to Iowa if you have a burning desire to work in Boston.

You keep coming back to COL (which is pretty much the only valid argument for living in Lubbock) and cost of tuition. While there is some merit to that, as is the case with most things in life, if you want the best chance of success, you don't cheap out. When movie studios are making their summer blockbusters, they pony up for the big-name stars because they will see a better return that way.

Yes, it costs more to go to SMU. You will also have exponentially more opportunities graduating from there, as well as make more money.



Well then someone in Texas really shouldn't go to anywhere but UT, SMU and UH. And based on the class of 2009, the only sure thing is UT.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby JordynAsh » Wed May 12, 2010 7:06 pm

kalvano wrote:
b.gump81 wrote:this is just ignorance. to say not to go to Tech if someone wants a specific market is just blindly ignoring debt to income ratio.



Not really. Any of the major Texas markets are dominated by their respective schools, just like all the other US legal markets.

Don't go to Tech if you have a burning desire to work in Dallas. Just like don't go to Iowa if you have a burning desire to work in Boston.

You keep coming back to COL (which is pretty much the only valid argument for living in Lubbock) and cost of tuition. While there is some merit to that, as is the case with most things in life, if you want the best chance of success, you don't cheap out. When movie studios are making their summer blockbusters, they pony up for the big-name stars because they will see a better return that way.

Yes, it costs more to go to SMU. You will also have exponentially more opportunities graduating from there, as well as make more money.


TITCR. Can this thread be over already?

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby kalvano » Wed May 12, 2010 7:06 pm

wreckem wrote:
kalvano wrote:
b.gump81 wrote:this is just ignorance. to say not to go to Tech if someone wants a specific market is just blindly ignoring debt to income ratio.



Not really. Any of the major Texas markets are dominated by their respective schools, just like all the other US legal markets.

Don't go to Tech if you have a burning desire to work in Dallas. Just like don't go to Iowa if you have a burning desire to work in Boston.

You keep coming back to COL (which is pretty much the only valid argument for living in Lubbock) and cost of tuition. While there is some merit to that, as is the case with most things in life, if you want the best chance of success, you don't cheap out. When movie studios are making their summer blockbusters, they pony up for the big-name stars because they will see a better return that way.

Yes, it costs more to go to SMU. You will also have exponentially more opportunities graduating from there, as well as make more money.



Well then someone in Texas really shouldn't go to anywhere but UT, SMU and UH.



That should be the goal if you want the best chance of success.

Law school isn't about paying for an education, it's about buying a key that unlocks doors, and those three schools will unlock the most doors in the state.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby wreckem » Wed May 12, 2010 7:07 pm

kalvano wrote:
wreckem wrote:
kalvano wrote:
b.gump81 wrote:this is just ignorance. to say not to go to Tech if someone wants a specific market is just blindly ignoring debt to income ratio.



Not really. Any of the major Texas markets are dominated by their respective schools, just like all the other US legal markets.

Don't go to Tech if you have a burning desire to work in Dallas. Just like don't go to Iowa if you have a burning desire to work in Boston.

You keep coming back to COL (which is pretty much the only valid argument for living in Lubbock) and cost of tuition. While there is some merit to that, as is the case with most things in life, if you want the best chance of success, you don't cheap out. When movie studios are making their summer blockbusters, they pony up for the big-name stars because they will see a better return that way.

Yes, it costs more to go to SMU. You will also have exponentially more opportunities graduating from there, as well as make more money.



Well then someone in Texas really shouldn't go to anywhere but UT, SMU and UH.



That should be the goal if you want the best chance of success.

Law school isn't about paying for an education, it's about buying a key that unlocks doors, and those three schools will unlock the most doors in the state.


Yes, as I am sure 100% of the people in this thread know. Unfortunately, not everyone can get into said schools. And there are still plenty of those at SMU and UH that don't have very good options when they graduate. Lets not kid ourselves on that either.

Law school, with the exception of T14 and a handful of other schools is like Russian roulette with slightly more control by the player.
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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby JordynAsh » Wed May 12, 2010 7:11 pm

If you'd rather work in Houston, STCL.
If you'd rather live in Lubbock and work BigBeefLaw in West Texas, Tech.

If you want any reasonable shot at Austin/Dallas/outside Texas, retake and go to UT/SMU/UH.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby Thirteen » Wed May 12, 2010 7:12 pm

JordynAsh wrote:If you'd rather work in Houston, STCL.
If you'd rather live in Lubbock and work BigBeefLaw in West Texas, Tech.

If you want any reasonable shot at Austin/Dallas/outside Texas, retake and go to UT/SMU/UH.


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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby jgrin » Wed May 12, 2010 7:13 pm

Lucidity wrote:
jgrin wrote:
Lucidity wrote:I don't get it. Are you this dumb? You quoted me correctly, but yet missed the point completely. So i'll mention it again. we are comparing tech vs stcl. Outside of houston, tech places better by far everywhere else. The fact that UH, SMU, or Baylor does well here or there is irrelevant, because we are comparing tech and stcl.

And to beat a dead horse, you applied to tech right? How did that turn out for you? The answer to this question (that i've asked 3 times now) could really go a long way to explain your blind stupidity.


Yeah, and when doing this, you must compare to the rest of the state. I am saying that because Tech does not have a significant impact in any of the four major legal markets, and ST does, then ST is the better school.


No, i must not. Tell me the name of this thread. If i was accepted to stcl and tech, and had to chose between the 2, why would i consider other schools? Imagine you are advising your friend who had only enough money to choose between a civic or a corolla. Instead of only comparing the 2, you tell him to go get a mercedes. Your friend will give you a weird look and tell you that you're an idiot. The merits of UT, SMU, UH, Baylor, etc etc etc are meaningless in the context of this discussion.

I'll give you that stcl grads have good placement in Houston, but this is all i will give you. Tech has superior placement outside of Houston. Instead of disputing this point, you bring in other higher ranked schools into the discussion in what i can only assume as an attempt to libel tech's name because you were rejected from tech, and in some way feel you must champion stcl over tech every chance you get. You didn't get into tech. Quit cryin and get over it.


You are missing what I am saying and what the forum is about completely. It is what is a better option, Texas Tech or South Texas. I argue that it is South Texas because it dominates the legal market in Houston. Texas Tech does not dominate a major legal market. and you argue that this doesn't matter because they place sort of well. I then counter argue this by saying that they get the leftovers from 4 other major law schools. So if you took the narrow route as you clearly have, then you assume that there are just two law schools in Texas with no other competing factors. The truth is there are other competing factors: other law schools. So they must be taken into account. And because of this truth, then it must be noted that TT is manhandled by the other law schools in every major legal market in Texas, while STCL owns the Houston legal market. So when comparing the law schools, you must look at the opportunities they afford. It is clear that ST affords more than TT, because they dominate a legal market and TT gets the leftovers.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby jgrin » Wed May 12, 2010 7:14 pm

JordynAsh wrote:If you'd rather work in Houston, STCL.
If you'd rather live in Lubbock and work BigBeefLaw in West Texas, Tech.

If you want any reasonable shot at Austin/Dallas/outside Texas, retake and go to UT/SMU/UH.


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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby wreckem » Wed May 12, 2010 7:18 pm

jgrin wrote:
JordynAsh wrote:If you'd rather work in Houston and work in SmallLaw, STCL.
If you'd rather live in Lubbock and work BigBeefLaw in West Texas, Tech.

If you want any reasonable shot at Austin/Dallas/outside Texas, retake and go to UT/SMU/UH.


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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby Thirteen » Wed May 12, 2010 7:18 pm

jgrin wrote:
You are missing what I am saying and what the forum is about completely. It is what is a better option, Texas Tech or South Texas. I argue that it is South Texas because it dominates the legal market in Houston. Texas Tech does not dominate a major legal market. and you argue that this doesn't matter because they place sort of well. I then counter argue this by saying that they get the leftovers from 4 other major law schools. So if you took the narrow route as you clearly have, then you assume that there are just two law schools in Texas with no other competing factors. The truth is there are other competing factors: other law schools. So they must be taken into account. And because of this truth, then it must be noted that TT is manhandled by the other law schools in every major legal market in Texas, while STCL owns the Houston legal market. So when comparing the law schools, you must look at the opportunities they afford. It is clear that ST affords more than TT, because they dominate a legal market and TT gets the leftovers.


:?:

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby jgrin » Wed May 12, 2010 7:20 pm

Thirteen wrote:
jgrin wrote:
You are missing what I am saying and what the forum is about completely. It is what is a better option, Texas Tech or South Texas. I argue that it is South Texas because it dominates the legal market in Houston. Texas Tech does not dominate a major legal market. and you argue that this doesn't matter because they place sort of well. I then counter argue this by saying that they get the leftovers from 4 other major law schools. So if you took the narrow route as you clearly have, then you assume that there are just two law schools in Texas with no other competing factors. The truth is there are other competing factors: other law schools. So they must be taken into account. And because of this truth, then it must be noted that TT is manhandled by the other law schools in every major legal market in Texas, while STCL owns the Houston legal market. So when comparing the law schools, you must look at the opportunities they afford. It is clear that ST affords more than TT, because they dominate a legal market and TT gets the leftovers.


:?:


The compromise the largest percentage of lawyers in Harris county.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby TheReignmaker » Wed May 12, 2010 7:21 pm

This thread is hilarious. I think the lesson at the end of the day is to research what you're getting into. I've visited TT Law and I really enjoyed the atmosphere and the frank advice that was offered by the students. Low tuition and cost of living is also a win since I have a small family to look after.

The economy sucks. No question there. Everyone has their own plan to deal with it. Who are you to tell someone they're making a terrible decision when you haven't even dealt with the reality yourself?

It's been pointed out before, but it's obvious that there's something personal that's spurring jgrin's comments. Take a deep breath, dude. Life doesn't suck that much. Until you're a 1L apparently...

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby wreckem » Wed May 12, 2010 7:23 pm

jgrin wrote:
Thirteen wrote:
jgrin wrote:
You are missing what I am saying and what the forum is about completely. It is what is a better option, Texas Tech or South Texas. I argue that it is South Texas because it dominates the legal market in Houston. Texas Tech does not dominate a major legal market. and you argue that this doesn't matter because they place sort of well. I then counter argue this by saying that they get the leftovers from 4 other major law schools. So if you took the narrow route as you clearly have, then you assume that there are just two law schools in Texas with no other competing factors. The truth is there are other competing factors: other law schools. So they must be taken into account. And because of this truth, then it must be noted that TT is manhandled by the other law schools in every major legal market in Texas, while STCL owns the Houston legal market. So when comparing the law schools, you must look at the opportunities they afford. It is clear that ST affords more than TT, because they dominate a legal market and TT gets the leftovers.


:?:


The compromise the largest percentage of lawyers in Harris county.


Which has the majority of their new law grads working in small law, the public defenders office, or in solo practice. And so does Tech, they are just spread all over.

-edit, I'm done. I'm okay with my choice. If I could do undergrad all over again, I would(ie: I wouldnt work 40-60/hrs per week). Its all about what you want to do and target the offices/firms at which get you the best opportunity to get hired on. There are places where I want to be that have a bunch/majority of higher ups that have Tech JD's, so I'm confident Tech will get me where I want to be, with the usual law school caveat, as long as I do well.
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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby Lucidity » Wed May 12, 2010 7:24 pm

Go back and relearn what "dominates" means. stcl dominates nothing. Stcl does well because even after all the UH kids get their top picks, Houston is a large market that can absorb the extras from stcl and even some from thurgood marshall. When you graduate, theres a good shot that you will find a job in Houston. But if you are expecting your "median" 80k salary, you'd better be at or near the top of your class. Considering the stupidity i've seen from you on this thread, i'd bet on this as unlikely.

Say what you want, but its pretty damn obvious that you have a grudge against tech. They rejected you, and like a child you bolt to the forums and throw a fit and insinuates that people in lubbock engages in bestiality. I mean, seriously?

This thread is pretty much run its course. Not much else to say, since i don't think you're really hear to be convinced as you are here to sling mud. Proof is in the pudding, come back and let me know how you do in 3 years.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby TheReignmaker » Wed May 12, 2010 7:26 pm

longhornmarine wrote:I know Texas Tech is a better school, but its in Lubbock, and at ST I would have to hedge my bets on graduating in the top 5%, still advice? Which school should I go to and why? Id like to practice law in Houston/Dallas/Austin



While visiting Tech, there were a lot of students I spoke to that had jobs/internships lined up in the Dallas area. If you're set on Houston, go to ST. If you want to be more flexible than that, Tech is the place.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby texas man » Wed May 12, 2010 7:26 pm

Not that I agree with you, but...

JordynAsh wrote:If you'd rather work in Houston, STCL.
If you'd rather live in Lubbock and work BigBeefLaw in West Texas, Tech.

If you want any reasonable shot at [strike]Austin/Dallas/outside Texas, retake and go to UT/SMU/UH[/strike] biglaw in :Austin - UT, Dallas - UT/SMU, outside Texas - UT.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby jgrin » Wed May 12, 2010 7:27 pm

TheReignmaker wrote:This thread is hilarious. I think the lesson at the end of the day is to research what you're getting into. I've visited TT Law and I really enjoyed the atmosphere and the frank advice that was offered by the students. Low tuition and cost of living is also a win since I have a small family to look after.

The economy sucks. No question there. Everyone has their own plan to deal with it. Who are you to tell someone they're making a terrible decision when you haven't even dealt with the reality yourself?

It's been pointed out before, but it's obvious that there's something personal that's spurring jgrin's comments. Take a deep breath, dude. Life doesn't suck that much. Until you're a 1L apparently...


Nothing personal, I can assure you of that. Well, actually Lubbock sucks; does that count?

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby TheReignmaker » Wed May 12, 2010 7:53 pm

jgrin wrote:
TheReignmaker wrote:This thread is hilarious. I think the lesson at the end of the day is to research what you're getting into. I've visited TT Law and I really enjoyed the atmosphere and the frank advice that was offered by the students. Low tuition and cost of living is also a win since I have a small family to look after.

The economy sucks. No question there. Everyone has their own plan to deal with it. Who are you to tell someone they're making a terrible decision when you haven't even dealt with the reality yourself?

It's been pointed out before, but it's obvious that there's something personal that's spurring jgrin's comments. Take a deep breath, dude. Life doesn't suck that much. Until you're a 1L apparently...


Nothing personal, I can assure you of that. Well, actually Lubbock sucks; does that count?


Hmm. Maybe. I haven't lived there yet, but having attended a small Idaho school for UG I don't think the small-town feel is going to bother me. From what I understand, there's plenty of family activities. If you're looking for an active nightlife though, I'm sure there's better choices. I also dig college sports. Hopefully Tuberville can take the football program to the next level.

http://www.visitlubbock.org/

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby JordynAsh » Wed May 12, 2010 8:34 pm

texas man wrote:Not that I agree with you, but...

JordynAsh wrote:If you'd rather work in Houston, STCL.
If you'd rather live in Lubbock and work BigBeefLaw in West Texas, Tech.

If you want any reasonable shot at [strike]Austin/Dallas/outside Texas, retake and go to UT/SMU/UH[/strike] biglaw in :Austin - UT, Dallas - UT/SMU, outside Texas - UT.


OK, then reasonable shot at working non-shitlaw outside of West Texas. Satisfied?

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby texas man » Wed May 12, 2010 8:50 pm

JordynAsh wrote:
texas man wrote:Not that I agree with you, but...

JordynAsh wrote:If you'd rather work in Houston, STCL.
If you'd rather live in Lubbock and work BigBeefLaw in West Texas, Tech.

If you want any reasonable shot at [strike]Austin/Dallas/outside Texas, retake and go to UT/SMU/UH[/strike] biglaw in :Austin - UT, Dallas - UT/SMU, outside Texas - UT.


OK, then reasonable shot at working non-shitlaw outside of West Texas. Satisfied?


I'm not sure what you're getting at - what I edited was in the second portion of your post in reference to Austin/Dallas/outside Texas - it didn't have anything to do with Tech or West Texas.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby JordynAsh » Wed May 12, 2010 8:54 pm

texas man wrote:
JordynAsh wrote:
texas man wrote:Not that I agree with you, but...

JordynAsh wrote:If you'd rather work in Houston, STCL.
If you'd rather live in Lubbock and work BigBeefLaw in West Texas, Tech.

If you want any reasonable shot at [strike]Austin/Dallas/outside Texas, retake and go to UT/SMU/UH[/strike] biglaw in :Austin - UT, Dallas - UT/SMU, outside Texas - UT.


OK, then reasonable shot at working non-shitlaw outside of West Texas. Satisfied?


I'm not sure what you're getting at - what I edited was in the second portion of your post in reference to Austin/Dallas/outside Texas - it didn't have anything to do with Tech or West Texas.


I meant, if OP wants something outside of West Texas (Tech) or Houston (STCL), he/she would be better off retaking the LSAT and going elsewhere, if it's an option.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby JordynAsh » Wed May 12, 2010 9:05 pm

Grad_Student wrote:Tech will take you in Dallas
STCL will keep you in Houston
No one gets jobs in Austin


WHY is everyone ignoring the beauty and simplicity of this CR?

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby b.gump81 » Wed May 12, 2010 9:21 pm

jgrin wrote:UT, SMU, UH are the no brainers. Tech will get what's leftover. The only market in which a t3/t4 school doesn't get the leftovers is ST, thus making ST the easiest option. UH is a better school than ST. Everyone knows that.


if someone is dead set on Houston...which has been repeated over and over
UT is the no-brainer
UH has a high tuition
smu has a high tuition
tuition must be considered with this economy...making tech a good alternative for debt adverse applicants

kalvano wrote:
b.gump81 wrote:this is just ignorance. to say not to go to Tech if someone wants a specific market is just blindly ignoring debt to income ratio.



Not really. Any of the major Texas markets are dominated by their respective schools, just like all the other US legal markets.

Don't go to Tech if you have a burning desire to work in Dallas. Just like don't go to Iowa if you have a burning desire to work in Boston.

You keep coming back to COL (which is pretty much the only valid argument for living in Lubbock) and cost of tuition. While there is some merit to that, as is the case with most things in life, if you want the best chance of success, you don't cheap out. When movie studios are making their summer blockbusters, they pony up for the big-name stars because they will see a better return that way.

Yes, it costs more to go to SMU. You will also have exponentially more opportunities graduating from there, as well as make more money.


I don't think the majority of people apply to law school with a certain city in mind. If this were the case, they would only apply to the schools in the city in which they wanted to work or that would have the possibility of getting them there, and you wouldn't see people like you applying to schools all over the US. Alternatively, I think it is more accurate to say most people apply to law school with an idea of what type of law they want to practice and a general idea of several areas or a state they would want to practice this decided type of law. I'm not going to harp on this issue, but the only real advantages SMU and UH have on Tech is their placement in Biglaw in their respective markets. But not everyone wants biglaw, and I'd argue that with the biglaw employment bubble bust, SMU and now UH are a big risk for biglaw as it will be smaller and smaller percentages of each class getting these jobs. UT is and always has been the best bet for biglaw.

Yes, SMU has control of the DFW market for non-biglaw jobs as well and is a great school. But it is $150,000+ to attend, and I know you may disagree, but I am just making the point that a Tech grad (even if they have to work in West Texas a couple of years to get some experience) can move to Dallas (or anywhere in the state for that matter) and have the same non-biglaw job as the SMU grad wiho is in debt up to his eyeballs. I keep coming back to COL and tuition because it is a huge factor.


ITT: everyone but one person agreed Tech is better than STCL except if the applicant wants to practice in houston. It was later discovered that sole dissident got rejected from every texas law school except St. Mary's and STCL.

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Re: Texas Tech v South Texas

Postby texas man » Wed May 12, 2010 9:28 pm

JordynAsh wrote:I meant, if OP wants something outside of West Texas (Tech) or Houston (STCL), he/she would be better off retaking the LSAT and going elsewhere, if it's an option.


I agree with this if biglaw is the goal.




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