GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

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GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby blondeone » Mon May 03, 2010 3:45 pm

151, 153 and a 3.67. How did I manage that? I still got in 8 schools, but probably explains the 5 waitlists! did anyone else manage a good GPA and terrible LSAT? I blame it on time, i'm a slow reader.

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Postby lawschoollll » Mon May 03, 2010 3:50 pm

blondeone wrote:151, 153 and a 3.67. How did I manage that? I still got in 8 schools, but probably explains the 5 waitlists! did anyone else manage a good GPA and terrible LSAT? I blame it on time, i'm a slow reader.

I think the correlation between UGPA and LSAT scores is pretty close to non-existent.

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby lostjake » Mon May 03, 2010 3:54 pm

major?

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Postby rockstar4488 » Tue May 04, 2010 8:11 am

Nothing kind can come from this thread.

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby Threepeat » Tue May 04, 2010 8:35 am

blondeone wrote:151, 153 and a 3.67. How did I manage that?


Probably close to the same reasons you decided to start this thread.

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby yourstruly87 » Wed May 05, 2010 9:51 pm

That's great that you still got accepted to 8 schools, which schools were they if u dont mind me asking?
I'm in a similar situation

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby d34d9823 » Wed May 05, 2010 9:58 pm

lawschoollll wrote:
blondeone wrote:151, 153 and a 3.67. How did I manage that? I still got in 8 schools, but probably explains the 5 waitlists! did anyone else manage a good GPA and terrible LSAT? I blame it on time, i'm a slow reader.

I think the correlation between UGPA and LSAT scores is pretty close to non-existent.


That's not really true. If you look at LSN, there's a definite linear trend. OP's scores are definitely well within the scatter range though.

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby lawschoollll » Thu May 06, 2010 9:47 am

d34dluk3 wrote:
lawschoollll wrote:
blondeone wrote:151, 153 and a 3.67. How did I manage that? I still got in 8 schools, but probably explains the 5 waitlists! did anyone else manage a good GPA and terrible LSAT? I blame it on time, i'm a slow reader.

I think the correlation between UGPA and LSAT scores is pretty close to non-existent.


That's not really true. If you look at LSN, there's a definite linear trend. OP's scores are definitely well within the scatter range though.

Maybe this is right if you look at the graph for a particular school, since applicants tend to conform, at least somewhat, to that linearity you're talking about. In other words, if you're looking at HYS, you probably won't see a ton of 3.9/160s or 2.7/177s, because they don't have a realistic chance of admission. But it doesn't mean they're not out there elsewhere. The fact is, schools and majors and individual professors/classes all grade so differently, and students give such a wide range of UG effort, that a 3.0 can easily, easily outscore a 4.0 on the LSAT, and it happens with regularity.

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby holydonkey » Thu May 06, 2010 9:57 am

blondeone wrote:151, 153 and a 3.67. How did I manage that?
Insert joke about blondes and logical reasoning here

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Postby d34d9823 » Thu May 06, 2010 10:07 am

lawschoollll wrote:
d34dluk3 wrote:
lawschoollll wrote:
blondeone wrote:151, 153 and a 3.67. How did I manage that? I still got in 8 schools, but probably explains the 5 waitlists! did anyone else manage a good GPA and terrible LSAT? I blame it on time, i'm a slow reader.

I think the correlation between UGPA and LSAT scores is pretty close to non-existent.


That's not really true. If you look at LSN, there's a definite linear trend. OP's scores are definitely well within the scatter range though.

Maybe this is right if you look at the graph for a particular school, since applicants tend to conform, at least somewhat, to that linearity you're talking about. In other words, if you're looking at HYS, you probably won't see a ton of 3.9/160s or 2.7/177s, because they don't have a realistic chance of admission. But it doesn't mean they're not out there elsewhere. The fact is, schools and majors and individual professors/classes all grade so differently, and students give such a wide range of UG effort, that a 3.0 can easily, easily outscore a 4.0 on the LSAT, and it happens with regularity.


Agreed, but if you overlay all the graphs, there will still be a strong trend, I'd guess R2 of like 0.4. Specifically, there are almost no people with 3.0/180 (which is funny, because my brother has a 2.8 and is getting 177s on his PTs right now). The fact that 3.0s can outscore 4.0s doesn't mean there's no correlation there. In fact, a 4.0/160 and a 3.0/170 would both be well within the dense scatter of the graph.

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby lawschoollll » Thu May 06, 2010 10:14 am

d34dluk3 wrote:
lawschoollll wrote:
d34dluk3 wrote:[quote="lawschoollll
I think the correlation between UGPA and LSAT scores is pretty close to non-existent.


That's not really true. If you look at LSN, there's a definite linear trend. OP's scores are definitely well within the scatter range though.

Maybe this is right if you look at the graph for a particular school, since applicants tend to conform, at least somewhat, to that linearity you're talking about. In other words, if you're looking at HYS, you probably won't see a ton of 3.9/160s or 2.7/177s, because they don't have a realistic chance of admission. But it doesn't mean they're not out there elsewhere. The fact is, schools and majors and individual professors/classes all grade so differently, and students give such a wide range of UG effort, that a 3.0 can easily, easily outscore a 4.0 on the LSAT, and it happens with regularity.


Agreed, but if you overlay all the graphs, there will still be a strong trend, I'd guess R2 of like 0.4. Specifically, there are almost no people with 3.0/180 (which is funny, because my brother has a 2.8 and is getting 177s on his PTs right now). The fact that 3.0s can outscore 4.0s doesn't mean there's no correlation there. In fact, a 4.0/160 and a 3.0/170 would both be well within the dense scatter of the graph.[/quote]

If this is true, then I would argue that the correlation is so weak as to be essentially meaningless. Even an R2 of .4 is not that strong, and I doubt it's that high. But I don't know, I could easily be wrong.

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby jh60405 » Thu May 06, 2010 10:26 am

A 160 is the 90th percentile and a 180 is the 99th. They are both relatively rare. Wouldn't a better way of looking at this be to consider correlation at scores that occur more often?

Also, a GPA of 3.67 might not be that high considering the grade inflation of your school and major. Likewise, a 153 isn't actually that low. In fact a 153 is above the median. Its hard for me to imagine that the median LSAT for a 3.67 gpa is any higher than a 157, so really you're not so far off.

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Postby d34d9823 » Thu May 06, 2010 10:42 am

lawschoollll wrote:If this is true, then I would argue that the correlation is so weak as to be essentially meaningless. Even an R2 of .4 is not that strong, and I doubt it's that high. But I don't know, I could easily be wrong.


Haha me neither, and without access to the compiled data, there's no analytical recourse and we can sit here exchanging opinions all day. Also, LSN is likely highly self selected. There is a definite shape I'm seeing though, it's not just random scatter, which is what makes me think that there is a correlation. The shape I'm seeing for Georgetown is roughly bounded by the line from 3.9/154 to 4.1/180 and the line from 3.9/154 to 2.65/172.

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby SBimmer » Thu May 06, 2010 10:45 am

jh60405 wrote:A 160 is the 90th percentile and a 180 is the 99th. They are both relatively rare. Wouldn't a better way of looking at this be to consider correlation at scores that occur more often?

Also, a GPA of 3.67 might not be that high considering the grade inflation of your school and major. Likewise, a 153 isn't actually that low. In fact a 153 is above the median. Its hard for me to imagine that the median LSAT for a 3.67 gpa is any higher than a 157, so really you're not so far off.


I could be wrong, but I thought 160 was around 82nd percentile.

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Re: GPA/LSAT what's wrong with me?

Postby Threepeat » Thu May 06, 2010 11:16 am

SBimmer wrote:
jh60405 wrote:A 160 is the 90th percentile and a 180 is the 99th. They are both relatively rare. Wouldn't a better way of looking at this be to consider correlation at scores that occur more often?

Also, a GPA of 3.67 might not be that high considering the grade inflation of your school and major. Likewise, a 153 isn't actually that low. In fact a 153 is above the median. Its hard for me to imagine that the median LSAT for a 3.67 gpa is any higher than a 157, so really you're not so far off.


I could be wrong, but I thought 160 was around 82nd percentile.


You are correct.




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