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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Matteliszt » Wed May 05, 2010 2:43 pm

As of 5/4/10
Totals
Accepted Attending - 10
Accepted No Action - 75
Accepted withdrawn - 121
Wait List 114

As of 5/5/10
2 new rejects. One of which was 174/3.41
new totals


As of 5/5/10
Totals
Accepted Attending - 10
Accepted No Action - 75
Accepted withdrawn - 121
Wait List 114

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby smartblonde87 » Wed May 05, 2010 2:45 pm

missvik wrote:I agree, I interviewed back in October and the alumni kept stressing the importance of visiting. I'm thinking a visit can only help so I may drive up there next week and hopefully charm them into an admit!


+1

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby smartblonde87 » Wed May 05, 2010 2:47 pm

Matteliszt wrote:As of 5/4/10
Totals
Accepted Attending - 10
Accepted No Action - 75
Accepted withdrawn - 121
Wait List 114

As of 5/5/10
2 new rejects. One of which was 174/3.41
new totals


As of 5/5/10
Totals
Accepted Attending - 10
Accepted No Action - 75
Accepted withdrawn - 121
Wait List 114



LSN says that there are approximately 190 1Ls in each entering class.. Is that right? If so, at this point in the game, most of the wait lists would be accepted. I wish we knew how many applications were still pending. :/

**Of course, this completely denies the potential candidates who are neither TLS or TLN posters lol

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Integrity » Wed May 05, 2010 2:55 pm

ziggystardust23 wrote:
missvik218 wrote:
JOThompson wrote:
Matteliszt wrote:i think Naj is right, if you aren't getting an interview you are shelling out $500+(flight+motel+car) for a tour.. probably not worth it, they wont really go "oh applicant X visited over applicant Y who didn't visit"

According to the adcomm I met, they do note in your file if you've visited. A tiny boost at most probably but maybe worth it if you're pressing every possible advantage.

+1, I visited post-WL and definitely think it was worth it. They won't "interview" you but they will meet with you, give you a tour, sit you in on a class, you can talk to students and profs, etc. You're having visited is noted in your file, and while you can probably send an LOCI saying all the same things I think it carries a little (and that may be all that you need) more weight if you've actually been to the school, made the extra effort, and can speak honestly and knowledgeably about the school and programs. Basically if you're going to send an LOCI saying "I will definitely attend if admitted" it's more believable if you've already been to the school, looked around, and can illustrate that you REALLY know what you're saying and getting into with that statement.

Also, Vandy is big on their tight knit community and their reputation as being a collegial school; if you can make a good impression and if you think you "fit" what they're looking for being able to make a face to face connection would only be beneficial.


I agree, I interviewed back in October and the alumni kept stressing the importance of visiting. I'm thinking a visit can only help so I may drive up there next week and hopefully charm them into an admit!


The alumnus I interviewed with said it was unnecessary unless I was going to be in the area. Also, Sofia in admissions said they did not consider it in admissions decisions because it would disadvantage those who cannot (because of money, obligations, etc.) make it to the campus. That being said, I doubt it hurts...but for us poor ones, I don't think they can in good faith hold that against us.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Matteliszt » Wed May 05, 2010 4:15 pm

The alumnus I interviewed with said it was unnecessary unless I was going to be in the area. Also, Sofia in admissions said they did not consider it in admissions decisions because it would disadvantage those who cannot (because of money, obligations, etc.) make it to the campus. That being said, I doubt it hurts...but for us poor ones, I don't think they can in good faith hold that against us.




This is exactly how I feel about it. I am sure it is beneficial for you to visit if you are close by. For me, its a $500 expense. If I knew I was getting some advantage in admissions (interview) out of it or even talking to students/sitting in on a class I would do it in a heartbeat, but when I called I was told it was simply a campus visit since class was over. Seems really expensive for that.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby jrobby6 » Wed May 05, 2010 4:23 pm

Lsn really isn't an acurate predictor of the incoming 1L class. For all we know Vandy has overcommited its class. But I don't think that's true.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Matteliszt » Wed May 05, 2010 5:07 pm

Just multiply LSN x 3

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby 84Sunbird2000 » Wed May 05, 2010 5:42 pm

Matteliszt wrote:Just multiply LSN x 3



Nah, untrue. LSN definitely skews towards the high side for all schools. Look at the LSAC official descriptions (which have those X of Y for a 155-159/3.25-3.49 charts) and then match them up with LSN. It's definitely self-selecting on the high side. You'd be surprised how many no-chance people apply to schools like Vandy. I mean 145/2.5, not the LSN 159/3.5 sort.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Matteliszt » Wed May 05, 2010 5:45 pm

So what do we assume about the other 60% of our sample?

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby 84Sunbird2000 » Wed May 05, 2010 6:58 pm

Matteliszt wrote:So what do we assume about the other 60% of our sample?


Well, I took USC as an example that has similar (identical) acceptance standards, since Vandy doesn't breakdown previous year applicants on their LSAC PDF like USC does. It appears that about 1/4 of those on LSN had a 164 or below, while in reality, 2/3 of all USC applicants have a 164 or below year over year. Since almost none of those below a 164 get accepted, they can essentially be thrown out.

Since, USC gets around 5600 apps a year (including last year), we can conclude that about 1 of every 8 students who applies also posts on LSN. However, roughly 1 of 3 students above a 165 appears on LSN.

Vanderbilt gets 77-78% of the apps that USC does (as of 2009), but has more LSN posts. IF the breakdown of applicants is the same, and I guess that's what must be assumed for making a rough calculation, then we'd have to conclude that 398 of the estimated 672 (1.68 apps for every LSN app) applicants who score a 165 or above are on LSN. Now, if anyone knows what VAnderbilt's expected increase in apps was, that would change the number of estimated 165+ (but not the number on LSN). So, if they didn't increase.

Since only a very small smattering of sub-165's are getting waitlisted or accepted, multiplying your sample by about 1.8 or 2 would probably get you in the ballpark.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Matteliszt » Wed May 05, 2010 7:20 pm

Now, if anyone knows what Vanderbilt's expected increase in apps was, that would change the number of estimated 165+



Someone posted that an admissions person told them that the applicant pool was not actually up this cycle. If that is true and we do multiply by x2 we could say that


Accepted Attending - 10 x 2 = 20
Accepted No Action - 75 x 2 = 150
Accepted withdrawn - 121 x 2 = 242
Wait List 114 x 2 = 228

We should see at least 30 people coming from the WL if our data + calculations are correct and ALL of the accepted no action individuals attend. I think this paints a fairly positive picture for the WL :)

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby 84Sunbird2000 » Wed May 05, 2010 7:28 pm

Matteliszt wrote:
Now, if anyone knows what Vanderbilt's expected increase in apps was, that would change the number of estimated 165+



Someone posted that an admissions person told them that the applicant pool was not actually up this cycle. If that is true and we do multiply by x2 we could say that


Accepted Attending - 10 x 2 = 20
Accepted No Action - 75 x 2 = 150
Accepted withdrawn - 121 x 2 = 242
Wait List 114 x 2 = 228

We should see at least 30 people coming from the WL if our data + calculations are correct and ALL of the accepted no action individuals attend. I think this paints a fairly positive picture for the WL :)


Yeah, that was the only trouble I had with my calculations. They make sense up until Accepted-Attending and Accepted no action (which is often times not updated ever - previous years show pages of WL and Accepted with no W or A beside them). Maybe the percentage of those who have been accepted who are not on LSN at all are mainly those who applied to just a couple schools in the south and didn't research much (Duke/Emory/Vandy/UNC/State School).

So...oh, well. I can't figure it out.

OH, there are also 48 students with over a 165 who simply have "PENDING" still up. That could clearly be skewing the above results. A lot of those LSNers I factored in may very well not be updating their accounts anymore, or may never have updated after setting the account up to begin with.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Matteliszt » Wed May 05, 2010 7:32 pm

We could use the matriculation rate x the total "ACCEPTED" category - even accepted/withdraw.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby 84Sunbird2000 » Wed May 05, 2010 7:39 pm

Matteliszt wrote:We could use the matriculation rate x the total "ACCEPTED" category - even accepted/withdraw.



Yeah, keeping with my postulation that LSN grossly over-represents the high end, Accepted-Withdrawn has 222 representatives versus 10 Accepted-Attending. Even being that it is early in the cycle, that is a ludicrous sub-5% yield rate for a school that is consistently in the 25% range.

If we put 1/4 of all the accepted students on LSN into the real-life Accept-Attending, then you'd actually be adding all of the Accepted No Actions and Accepted Attendings on LSN. Since not all of those who are Accepted no Action will be attending, the waitlist might REALLY be in for some Real Life Action.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Matteliszt » Wed May 05, 2010 8:28 pm

the waitlist might REALLY be in for some Real Life Action.


I agree

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Encyclopedia Brown » Thu May 06, 2010 7:33 am

ITT: Stats make us feel better.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby missvik218 » Thu May 06, 2010 8:31 am

Encyclopedia Brown wrote:ITT: Stats make us feel better.

:lol: As Forza used to tell me before he was lured from us (read: Vandy lovers) to NYU ... FAITH!!!

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby robin600 » Thu May 06, 2010 12:42 pm

OMG UG stats course all over again! Promising stats though. Visiting on the 12th! Excited!

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby smartblonde87 » Thu May 06, 2010 1:50 pm

84Sunbird2000 wrote:
Matteliszt wrote:So what do we assume about the other 60% of our sample?


Well, I took USC as an example that has similar (identical) acceptance standards, since Vandy doesn't breakdown previous year applicants on their LSAC PDF like USC does. It appears that about 1/4 of those on LSN had a 164 or below, while in reality, 2/3 of all USC applicants have a 164 or below year over year. Since almost none of those below a 164 get accepted, they can essentially be thrown out.

Since, USC gets around 5600 apps a year (including last year), we can conclude that about 1 of every 8 students who applies also posts on LSN. However, roughly 1 of 3 students above a 165 appears on LSN.

Vanderbilt gets 77-78% of the apps that USC does (as of 2009), but has more LSN posts. IF the breakdown of applicants is the same, and I guess that's what must be assumed for making a rough calculation, then we'd have to conclude that 398 of the estimated 672 (1.68 apps for every LSN app) applicants who score a 165 or above are on LSN. Now, if anyone knows what VAnderbilt's expected increase in apps was, that would change the number of estimated 165+ (but not the number on LSN). So, if they didn't increase.

Since only a very small smattering of sub-165's are getting waitlisted or accepted, multiplying your sample by about 1.8 or 2 would probably get you in the ballpark.


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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby yzrcr701 » Thu May 06, 2010 1:54 pm

any idea on the dm 5/5's?

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby smartblonde87 » Thu May 06, 2010 2:38 pm

yzrcr701 wrote:any idea on the dm 5/5's?


Probably a mixed batch of WL and reject, if I had to guess. The last few have been that way. There may be a small percentage of accepts, but I would guess that is very few. :/ You have great stats, so maybe you're one of them! :)

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby sdv » Thu May 06, 2010 2:48 pm

not to be a huge downer, but we got an email yesterday directing us to the class of 2013 page, which says the class of 2013 has taken shape, as in, doesn't sound like they'll be sending any more admits until some who have submitted seat deposits drop out. I could be reading too much into that though, I suppose.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Encyclopedia Brown » Thu May 06, 2010 2:57 pm

sdv wrote:not to be a huge downer, but we got an email yesterday directing us to the class of 2013 page, which says the class of 2013 has taken shape, as in, doesn't sound like they'll be sending any more admits until some who have submitted seat deposits drop out. I could be reading too much into that though, I suppose.

If that's all you're basing it on, I think you might be.

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby yzrcr701 » Thu May 06, 2010 3:15 pm

Encyclopedia Brown wrote:
sdv wrote:not to be a huge downer, but we got an email yesterday directing us to the class of 2013 page, which says the class of 2013 has taken shape, as in, doesn't sound like they'll be sending any more admits until some who have submitted seat deposits drop out. I could be reading too much into that though, I suppose.

If that's all you're basing it on, I think you might be.


I got this info from here:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=114047
A list of commit people committed to Vandy- forum also has a post to admit. students page talked about above
1. pearl_earrings
2. chunge88830
3. LovesPinkandPearls
4. Sashimi
5. MHutson41
6. Quine
7. iCrank
8. Rawlsian
9. Borachio05
10. yoyoma
11. rad law
12. mstich
13. blueberrymuffin
14. TheVoynichManuscript
15. MF248
16. chizUFL
17. beesknees

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Re: Vandy Wait List

Postby Matteliszt » Thu May 06, 2010 3:18 pm

ITT: Stats make us feel better.


More like ITT Matteliszt acts like he knows something about math.

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What do you mean "you people"? :)

not to be a huge downer, but we got an email yesterday directing us to the class of 2013 page, which says the class of 2013 has taken shape, as in, doesn't sound like they'll be sending any more admits until some who have submitted seat deposits drop out. I could be reading too much into that though, I suppose.




That is the single most generic statement possible, i sincerely doubt that means the class is anywhere near full.


any idea on the dm 5/5's?


You may get a WL with your GPA. Other than that my guess is rejects.


1. pearl_earrings
2. chunge88830
3. LovesPinkandPearls
4. Sashimi
5. MHutson41
6. Quine
7. iCrank
8. Rawlsian
9. Borachio05
10. yoyoma
11. rad law
12. mstich
13. blueberrymuffin
14. TheVoynichManuscript
15. MF248
16. chizUFL
17. beesknees


I can add that to our admitted attending list, but four of those are already in that group, making the total like 23 committed across internet forums. Seems like a lot of uncommitted spots.




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