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Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:27 pm

I plan on practicing in Chicago....so far dinged at NU and WL at Michigan. Assuming I don't get into Michigan is ND worth sticker? My other options are Loyola (Chicago) and Kent....I got a full ride at both. Please note: retaking LSAT and applying next year is not an option.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby FunkyJD » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:30 pm

What are your career expectations?

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby lawschooliseasy » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:31 pm

If you have the numbers to get waitlisted at Michigan, can't you get some scholarships from some T20-40s?

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:35 pm

lawschooliseasy wrote:If you have the numbers to get waitlisted at Michigan, can't you get some scholarships from some T20-40s?

You would think so.....my numbers aren't too impressive. I have good softs (opened a business which was later purchased by a Fortune 500 company). I think the fact that I did well from a business aspect handicapped my scholarship money. I also received an acceptance from 2-T14's but I'm not interested in moving out of the midwest. I'll probably ride out the Michigan waitlist though.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:37 pm

FunkyJD wrote:What are your career expectations?


not interested in big law...might do it for a year or two to gain experience....mainly interested in public sector. I also have been out of undergrad for a few years with very unique work experiences.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:46 pm

clint4law wrote:
lawschooliseasy wrote:If you have the numbers to get waitlisted at Michigan, can't you get some scholarships from some T20-40s?

You would think so.....my numbers aren't too impressive. I have good softs (opened a business which was later purchased by a Fortune 500 company). I think the fact that I did well from a business aspect handicapped my scholarship money. I also received an acceptance from 2-T14's but I'm not interested in moving out of the midwest. I'll probably ride out the Michigan waitlist though.


Is 200K a sizeable chunk of money to you? Because ND is probably worth 200K, but not 200K in debt at 8% interest.

Why exactly is taking a year and retaking not an option? I'm sure NU would love your W/E if you can get a 170.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby chadwick218 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:49 pm

ND is pretty much my cutoff for schools that are worth sticker (except for someone attending a state school that charges less than $15k/year). With that said, ND, like many of the schools in the 20's, was absolutely hammered this past year in OCI.

I would start writing the "I would unconditionally attend" if admitted LOCI to Michigan tonight.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:51 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
clint4law wrote:
lawschooliseasy wrote:If you have the numbers to get waitlisted at Michigan, can't you get some scholarships from some T20-40s?

You would think so.....my numbers aren't too impressive. I have good softs (opened a business which was later purchased by a Fortune 500 company). I think the fact that I did well from a business aspect handicapped my scholarship money. I also received an acceptance from 2-T14's but I'm not interested in moving out of the midwest. I'll probably ride out the Michigan waitlist though.


Is 200K a sizeable chunk of money to you? Because ND is probably worth 200K, but not 200K in debt at 8% interest.

Why exactly is taking a year and retaking not an option? I'm sure NU would love your W/E if you can get a 170.


200K is 200K...it is a sizeable chunk but I have the means to pay it. With respect to NU, I only applied to the AJD program and was rejected. i'm not interested in going to law school in my hometown for 3 years. To answer your question, I'm 31 and at this point time is of the essence.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:55 pm

clint4law wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
clint4law wrote:
lawschooliseasy wrote:If you have the numbers to get waitlisted at Michigan, can't you get some scholarships from some T20-40s?

You would think so.....my numbers aren't too impressive. I have good softs (opened a business which was later purchased by a Fortune 500 company). I think the fact that I did well from a business aspect handicapped my scholarship money. I also received an acceptance from 2-T14's but I'm not interested in moving out of the midwest. I'll probably ride out the Michigan waitlist though.


Is 200K a sizeable chunk of money to you? Because ND is probably worth 200K, but not 200K in debt at 8% interest.

Why exactly is taking a year and retaking not an option? I'm sure NU would love your W/E if you can get a 170.


200K is 200K...it is a sizeable chunk but I have the means to pay it. With respect to NU, I only applied to the AJD program and was rejected. i'm not interested in going to law school in my hometown for 3 years. To answer your question, I'm 31 and at this point time is of the essence.


With Income Based Repayment of federal loans debt means less. If you are serious about the public sector, then go for it. If public service is your goal, I wouldn't pay a cent of your own money, take it all in grad plus loans.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:58 pm

You would think so.....my numbers aren't too impressive. I have good softs (opened a business which was later purchased by a Fortune 500 company). I think the fact that I did well from a business aspect handicapped my scholarship money. I also received an acceptance from 2-T14's but I'm not interested in moving out of the midwest. I'll probably ride out the Michigan waitlist though.[/quote]

Is 200K a sizeable chunk of money to you? Because ND is probably worth 200K, but not 200K in debt at 8% interest.

Why exactly is taking a year and retaking not an option? I'm sure NU would love your W/E if you can get a 170.[/quote]

200K is 200K...it is a sizeable chunk but I have the means to pay it. With respect to NU, I only applied to the AJD program and was rejected. i'm not interested in going to law school in my hometown for 3 years. To answer your question, I'm 31 and at this point time is of the essence.[/quote]

With Income Based Repayment of federal loans debt means less. If you are serious about the public sector, then go for it. If public service is your goal, I wouldn't pay a cent of your own money, take it all in grad plus loans.[/quote]

Problem is due to my income the previous 5 years I'm not eligible for a $0.01 of aid.....I'm meeting with financial aid office to discuss.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:00 pm

clint4law wrote:Problem is due to my income the previous 5 years I'm not eligible for a $0.01 of aid.....I'm meeting with financial aid office to discuss.


You certainly won't get any grants, and probably not Stafford loans. But I'm fairly sure grad plus loans are pretty much automatic.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:03 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
clint4law wrote:Problem is due to my income the previous 5 years I'm not eligible for a $0.01 of aid.....I'm meeting with financial aid office to discuss.


You certainly won't get any grants, and probably not Stafford loans. But I'm fairly sure grad plus loans are pretty much automatic.


would i be paying interest on the grad plus loans during law school? if so, what interest rate are we talking about?

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby BetterCallSaul » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:03 pm

clint4law wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
clint4law wrote:Problem is due to my income the previous 5 years I'm not eligible for a $0.01 of aid.....I'm meeting with financial aid office to discuss.


You certainly won't get any grants, and probably not Stafford loans. But I'm fairly sure grad plus loans are pretty much automatic.


would i be paying interest on the grad plus loans during law school? if so, what interest rate are we talking about?


yes. 8.5%

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:05 pm

BetterCallSaul wrote:
clint4law wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
clint4law wrote:Problem is due to my income the previous 5 years I'm not eligible for a $0.01 of aid.....I'm meeting with financial aid office to discuss.


You certainly won't get any grants, and probably not Stafford loans. But I'm fairly sure grad plus loans are pretty much automatic.


would i be paying interest on the grad plus loans during law school? if so, what interest rate are we talking about?


yes. 8.5%


that's what I thought....wouldn't make sense to keep money in money market account accruing 2% interest when at the same time I'd be paying 8.5%

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:07 pm

clint4law wrote:
BetterCallSaul wrote:
clint4law wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
You certainly won't get any grants, and probably not Stafford loans. But I'm fairly sure grad plus loans are pretty much automatic.


would i be paying interest on the grad plus loans during law school? if so, what interest rate are we talking about?


yes. 8.5%


that's what I thought....wouldn't make sense to keep money in money market account accruing 2% interest when at the same time I'd be paying 8.5%


If you are doing public interest the government will pay them off after 10 years of public interest employment.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby BetterCallSaul » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:09 pm

I'd wait out the Michigan waitlist and if that didn't work out, take the Loyola full ride. It's a solid school and if Chicago is where you want to be it makes very good sense to choose Loyola.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:10 pm

You certainly won't get any grants, and probably not Stafford loans. But I'm fairly sure grad plus loans are pretty much automatic.[/quote]

would i be paying interest on the grad plus loans during law school? if so, what interest rate are we talking about?[/quote]

yes. 8.5%[/quote]

that's what I thought....wouldn't make sense to keep money in money market account accruing 2% interest when at the same time I'd be paying 8.5%[/quote]

If you are doing public interest the government will pay them off after 10 years of public interest employment.[/quote]

ok....good point....I'm gonna meet with the financial aid office this week. Thanks for your help.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:11 pm

Does anyone know how you find out what amount of donation gets you into a school?

I think we might be surprised how far 20K goes towards greasing the wheels.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:15 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Does anyone know how you find out what amount of donation gets you into a school?

I think we might be surprised how far 20K goes towards greasing the wheels.


lol....I would've donated $50K to get into the AJD program?

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:19 pm

clint4law wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Does anyone know how you find out what amount of donation gets you into a school?

I think we might be surprised how far 20K goes towards greasing the wheels.


lol....I would've donated $50K to get into the AJD program?


I'm halfway serious.

How far are you away from 170? Because it might be wise to retake in June for two reasons. To get off the Mich WL, and if not, maybe apply to NU AJD again. You'd be Class of 2013 either way. And even if you don't want NU, you might get scholarship money at ND.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:24 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
clint4law wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Does anyone know how you find out what amount of donation gets you into a school?

I think we might be surprised how far 20K goes towards greasing the wheels.


lol....I would've donated $50K to get into the AJD program?


I'm halfway serious.

How far are you away from 170? Because it might be wise to retake in June for two reasons. To get off the Mich WL, and if not, maybe apply to NU AJD again. You'd be Class of 2013 either way. And even if you don't want NU, you might get scholarship money at ND.


My PT Average was 172.....ended up with a 167....psychologically I can't go through it all over again. If I knew for certain I'd get into the AJD I'm game but nothing is certain with the AJD. For now I'm hoping Michigan let's me into their summer program (not as nice...but I'd finish a semester early).

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:36 pm

clint4law wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
clint4law wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Does anyone know how you find out what amount of donation gets you into a school?

I think we might be surprised how far 20K goes towards greasing the wheels.


lol....I would've donated $50K to get into the AJD program?


I'm halfway serious.

How far are you away from 170? Because it might be wise to retake in June for two reasons. To get off the Mich WL, and if not, maybe apply to NU AJD again. You'd be Class of 2013 either way. And even if you don't want NU, you might get scholarship money at ND.


My PT Average was 172.....ended up with a 167....psychologically I can't go through it all over again. If I knew for certain I'd get into the AJD I'm game but nothing is certain with the AJD. For now I'm hoping Michigan let's me into their summer program (not as nice...but I'd finish a semester early).


I'd agree nothing is certain. But even a 169 would give a MUCH better shot at Michigan. If your average was really 172, it would be a serious mistake to not retake.

And the pressure is off. You've already gotten into a dam good school, Notre Dame.

If I were you, I'd retake. You don't even have to study a lot. Just resharpen your skills.

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby clint4law » Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:38 pm

I think we might be surprised how far 20K goes towards greasing the wheels.[/quote]

lol....I would've donated $50K to get into the AJD program?[/quote]

I'm halfway serious.

How far are you away from 170? Because it might be wise to retake in June for two reasons. To get off the Mich WL, and if not, maybe apply to NU AJD again. You'd be Class of 2013 either way. And even if you don't want NU, you might get scholarship money at ND.[/quote]

My PT Average was 172.....ended up with a 167....psychologically I can't go through it all over again. If I knew for certain I'd get into the AJD I'm game but nothing is certain with the AJD. For now I'm hoping Michigan let's me into their summer program (not as nice...but I'd finish a semester early).[/quote]

you make some very compelling points....i'm definitely gonna give it some thought.

I'd agree nothing is certain. But even a 169 would give a MUCH better shot at Michigan. If your average was really 172, it would be a serious mistake to not retake.

And the pressure is off. You've already gotten into a dam good school, Notre Dame.

If I were you, I'd retake. You don't even have to study a lot. Just resharpen your skills.[/quote]

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby mountaintime » Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:33 pm

did you apply to UIUC?

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Re: Is Notre Dame Worth Sticker?

Postby soonergirl » Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:39 pm

I can't believe how y'all guys throw around 200k like it's chump change.




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