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hoyas2010
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Curious

Postby hoyas2010 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:06 pm

I am hoping someone can shed some light on this.

I have been accepted to UCLA, UT (with ~$70k), GULC
Rejected at UVA

I have been waitlisted at: BU, Emory, & ND. Although my numbers certainly aren't way above their medians, I am just curious as to why I would have been WLed at these but accepted at better schools. Is this any indication that I stand no shot at other higher ranked schools or should I not worry about the WLs? (I'm waiting on Cornell, Duke, Mich, Penn, and Vandy)

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Re: Curious

Postby WhiskeyGuy » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:28 pm

hoyas2010 wrote:I am hoping someone can shed some light on this.

I have been accepted to UCLA, UT (with ~$70k), GULC
Rejected at UVA

I have been waitlisted at: BU, Emory, & ND. Although my numbers certainly aren't way above their medians, I am just curious as to why I would have been WLed at these but accepted at better schools. Is this any indication that I stand no shot at other higher ranked schools or should I not worry about the WLs? (I'm waiting on Cornell, Duke, Mich, Penn, and Vandy)

#s- 168/3.77


Is there anything else in your application that, combined with your GPA and LSAT, would lead BU, Emory, and ND to believe you'll be accepted and attend elsewhere?

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Re: Curious

Postby soonergirl » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:33 pm

Yeah. You've been YP'd. Don't sweat it.

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Re: Curious

Postby CardinalRules » Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:35 pm

soonergirl wrote:Yeah. You've been YP'd. Don't sweat it.


+1. If you really want to go to one of the WLs, just send them a simple LOCI, and you'll get off it easily.

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Re: Curious

Postby notme » Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:49 pm

If you are above both their medians, and didn't write a convincing "Why X" essay, they have no reason to believe you have any real interest in their school.

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Re: Curious

Postby CardinalRules » Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:04 pm

notme wrote:If you are above both their 75ths, and didn't write a convincing "Why X" essay, they have no reason to believe you have any real interest in their school.


Fixed.

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Re: Curious

Postby r6_philly » Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:14 pm

CardinalRules wrote:
notme wrote:If you are above both their 75ths, and didn't write a convincing "Why X" essay, they have no reason to believe you have any real interest in their school.


Fixed.



Why do some people on here insist that schools don't care about 75%? Do they? Since the USNWR ranking only counts medians.

I noticed that UCLA and USA has those annoying why x essays, and that's why I didn't apply.

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Re: Curious

Postby soonergirl » Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:56 pm

r6_philly wrote:
CardinalRules wrote:
notme wrote:If you are above both their 75ths, and didn't write a convincing "Why X" essay, they have no reason to believe you have any real interest in their school.


Fixed.



Why do some people on here insist that schools don't care about 75%? Do they? Since the USNWR ranking only counts medians.


I think his point is that if you're more than a deviation or two above the class mean or median, then they're pretty sure you don't really intend to enroll at their school.

Although USNWR "only" takes into account median LSAT/GPA, they use yield as a factor, too. So the school has a vested interest in minimizing the number of offers of admission that aren't likely to be accepted. One way they do this is by waitlisting or denying students with aberrationally high numbers.

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Re: Curious

Postby CardinalRules » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:06 pm

r6_philly wrote:
CardinalRules wrote:
notme wrote:If you are above both their 75ths, and didn't write a convincing "Why X" essay, they have no reason to believe you have any real interest in their school.


Fixed.



Why do some people on here insist that schools don't care about 75%? Do they? Since the USNWR ranking only counts medians.

I noticed that UCLA and USA has those annoying why x essays, and that's why I didn't apply.


UCLA doesn't require the why x, and I just used my Y250 for it. I don't think that it really matters for them. As the poster above said, someone who is several notches above the median probably was accepted to a better school, and yield does matter. The 75th percentile is a useful means of describing this idea in a concrete way.

What is USA?

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Re: Curious

Postby r6_philly » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:36 pm

CardinalRules wrote:UCLA doesn't require the why x, and I just used my Y250 for it. I don't think that it really matters for them. As the poster above said, someone who is several notches above the median probably was accepted to a better school, and yield does matter. The 75th percentile is a useful means of describing this idea in a concrete way.

What is USA?


USC :oops: Today was just not mine day sigh... I am just glad no ding mail came today!

So if you are below median you may not get in, if you are above you may not get in. So we should shoot for @ median? :lol:

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Re: Curious

Postby CardinalRules » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:39 pm

r6_philly wrote:
CardinalRules wrote:UCLA doesn't require the why x, and I just used my Y250 for it. I don't think that it really matters for them. As the poster above said, someone who is several notches above the median probably was accepted to a better school, and yield does matter. The 75th percentile is a useful means of describing this idea in a concrete way.

What is USA?


USC :oops: Today was just not mine day sigh... I am just glad no ding mail came today!

So if you are below median you may not get in, if you are waaayyyy above you may not get in. So we should shoot for @ median? :lol:


Fixed. Also, you get in if you write a why x or find some other way to express interest. Applying early is another way to minimize the possibility of yield protection.

I didn't see a why x for USC and certainly didn't write one, but still I got in.

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Re: Curious

Postby holydonkey » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:41 pm

You'll get in Cornell.

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Re: Curious

Postby r6_philly » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:46 pm

CardinalRules wrote:Fixed. Also, you get in if you write a why x or find some other way to express interest. Applying early is another way to minimize the possibility of yield protection.

I didn't see a why x for USC and certainly didn't write one, but still I got in.


You are special, don't compare to us mere mortals with third rate edumacations :mrgreen:

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Re: Curious

Postby r6_philly » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:49 pm

holydonkey wrote:You'll get in Cornell.


I thought no one is getting in Cornell :lol:

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Re: Curious

Postby hoyas2010 » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:44 pm

Thanks guys. I had originally thought that may be the case. In their defense, I had no intention of ever enrolling at any of the schools- it was just free to apply so I did. Why would schools give fee waivers to students with higher numbers than they generally accept. I am assuming it is so people that actually do have an interest (and write a "Why X" essay) can apply for free?

And Cornell would be nice :wink:

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Re: Curious

Postby Gymnast0206 » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:52 pm

Stupid question, what does YP mean?

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Re: Curious

Postby CardinalRules » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:53 pm

Gymnast0206 wrote:Stupid question, what does YP mean?


Yield Protect: when schools WL applicants who probably will attend a higher-ranked school in order to preserve a high yield rate (those who attend / those who are admitted).

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Re: Curious

Postby Gymnast0206 » Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:55 pm

CardinalRules wrote:
Gymnast0206 wrote:Stupid question, what does YP mean?


Yield Protect: when schools WL applicants who probably will attend a higher-ranked school in order to preserve a high yield rate (those who attend / those who are admitted).



Ah, thank ya much.




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