LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

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Raskolnikoff
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LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Raskolnikoff » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:07 pm

What are the possible implications of promising to matriculate at a school and to withdraw other applications right away in a LOCI, but in reality not doing so? Or doing so much later when you see how the rest of the cycle plays out?

Any input is appreciated.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Borhas » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:08 pm

it makes you a fucking liar for one

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Jerome » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:09 pm

Borhas wrote:it makes you a fucking liar for one

Potential lawyers should clearly do everything in their power to avoid being such.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby kittenmittons » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:10 pm

Raskolnikoff wrote:What are the possible implications of promising to matriculate at a school and to withdraw other applications right away in a LOCI, but in reality not doing so? Or doing so much later when you see how the rest of the cycle plays out?

Any input is appreciated.


How bout just not promising that? They probably wouldn't believe you anyway

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Jacques » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:12 pm

Raskolnikoff wrote:What are the possible implications of promising to matriculate at a school and to withdraw other applications right away in a LOCI, but in reality not doing so? Or doing so much later when you see how the rest of the cycle plays out?

Any input is appreciated.


http://lawschoolnumbers.com/daninreallife

Not exactly the same situation, but you'd have the same result, trust me.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Scurredsitless1 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:14 pm

There would clearly be a record of when you withdraw from those schools as well as when you sent your LOCI. It's not just a lie, but a well documented lie.

The phrase "character and fitness" should scare anyone out of this type of behavior....

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby BearDownChicago » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:15 pm

wah wah wah... don't be a liar!

leave that attitude for the academics. shits for the birds.

outwit. outplay. outlast.

go for it

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby jks289 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:18 pm

The main deterrent (beside it being an immoral lie) is there is some evidence adcoms from peer schools communication at least minimally regarding students. Why risk it, it would be such a minor help?

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby toolshed » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:20 pm

Jacques wrote:
Raskolnikoff wrote:What are the possible implications of promising to matriculate at a school and to withdraw other applications right away in a LOCI, but in reality not doing so? Or doing so much later when you see how the rest of the cycle plays out?

Any input is appreciated.


http://lawschoolnumbers.com/daninreallife

Not exactly the same situation, but you'd have the same result, trust me.


Wow.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby blue5385 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:21 pm

Raskolnikoff wrote:What are the possible implications of promising to matriculate at a school and to withdraw other applications right away in a LOCI, but in reality not doing so? Or doing so much later when you see how the rest of the cycle plays out?

Any input is appreciated.


This is a bad idea.

I remember reading a Q&A with Asha Rangappa where she said that schools release lists of ED applicants they have accepted to one another, and this takes many students out of the running at YLS who would otherwise have had a good chance of admission. If the school you did this to communicates with other schools in a similar fashion even though you're (apparently) not an ED applicant, you could be really screwed.

And obviously, it's unfair to the school & shows a lack of integrity.
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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby queenofhearts » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:23 pm

i think that's just plain irresponsible. besides, a more compelling LOCI is going to have new, and ideally, great things to say about YOU. focus on that and stress your interest in the school without making a promise you don't intend to keep. it's just not worth it.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby jayare » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:24 pm

Raskolnikoff wrote:What are the possible implications of promising to matriculate at a school and to withdraw other applications right away in a LOCI, but in reality not doing so? Or doing so much later when you see how the rest of the cycle plays out?

Any input is appreciated.



If you're writing LOCI because you're deferred at any of the schools I am, do it.
:twisted:

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Scurredsitless1 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:24 pm

BearDownChicago wrote:wah wah wah... don't be a liar!

leave that attitude for the academics. shits for the birds.

outwit. outplay. outlast.

go for it



I don't know if I'm pointing out the obvious, but the great thing about this post is that she is encouraging you to lie. Lying in the application process can seriously hinder your chances for admission/bar qualification. She is trying to "outwit, outplay and outlast" you.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby badwithpseudonyms » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:32 pm

Borhas wrote:it makes you a fucking liar for one

This was significantly funnier as I read it in Dr. Zoidberg's voice and then pictured you doing that woop woop woop thing. Thank you.

OP, if I were the lied to adcomm, I'd tell all my adcomm friends at your other schools about you and have them admit you but not really mean it. That shit would be funny too.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby BearDownChicago » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:33 pm

Scurredsitless1 wrote:
BearDownChicago wrote:wah wah wah... don't be a liar!

leave that attitude for the academics. shits for the birds.

outwit. outplay. outlast.

go for it



I don't know if I'm pointing out the obvious, but the great thing about this post is that she is encouraging you to lie. Lying in the application process can seriously hinder your chances for admission/bar qualification. She is trying to "outwit, outplay and outlast" you.


He.

Gracias.

And yes, you should do this. Especially if you applied to Indiana, Wisconsin, and Iowa.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Chichaca » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:35 pm

I wouldn't mess around, even though it's a double standard, as schools definitely mess around with applicants. I bet you can think of more interesting things to put in the LOCI anyway.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Raskolnikoff » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:37 pm

Thanks for the responses. A guilt trip was pretty much what I expected.

Would saying "You are my top choice" imply a promise to attend? Or is it the solution to my dilemma?

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby amputatedbrain » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:37 pm

While I agree that promising this to multiple schools is not the right way to go, its a far cry from breaking a formal ED contract, a whole other league. You're making some type of informal promise, but people's circumstances can change. I can't imagine this would be a Character and Fitness issue . . .you're not breaking any law/contract at all, and they can't screw everyone who has (potentially) made a fib in their career.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby jks289 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:40 pm

Raskolnikoff wrote:Thanks for the responses. A guilt trip was pretty much what I expected.

Would saying "You are my top choice" imply a promise to attend? Or is it the solution to my dilemma?


This I think you can do. You can equivocate, something could be your top choice but money offers, etc get in the way. However, I think adcoms can sniff out that kind of language in an instant so I am not sure including it is terribly useful.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby thickfreakness » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:43 pm

Raskolnikoff wrote:Thanks for the responses. A guilt trip was pretty much what I expected.

Would saying "You are my top choice" imply a promise to attend? Or is it the solution to my dilemma?


"You are my top choice" is much more appropriate. At least then you have an out if they don't give you a favorable financial aid package, you have a change in circumstances, etc. But promising to attend and then holding out for something better is poor form, IMO.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Ginger1492 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:50 pm

I wish this topic had been posted a few days ago because I actually just did this in an LOCI. However, I was actually pretty serious. I would only back out if I got into Stanford, which is incredibly unlikely. Was it still a bad move?

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby Eieio » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:52 pm

It would not be inappropriate to make a promise along the lines originally suggested and then back out before an offer of admission was actually made, would it?

For example: Monday--Yes, I really will go to your University of X if admitted.
Wednesday morning--Screw it, I'm moving to Hawaii.
Wednesday afternoon--Dear University of X, please withdraw my name and so on.

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby blue5385 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:57 pm

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

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Re: LOCI: saying you will withdraw other apps but not meaning it

Postby nyskidude » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:06 pm

How about wording it differently? If you say "If accepted, this school would shoot to the top of my list of possible schools to attend," then you are not saying you will definitely go there, but you still say that you probably would.




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