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Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Emma1 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:08 am

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby APimpNamedSlickback » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:10 am

Emma1 wrote:What do you think?


well the data out there is sufficient for you to make a couple deductions. lets see how smart you are.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Borhas » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:12 am

Emma1 wrote:What do you think?

yes if you mean 25% for both LSAT and GPA

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Doritos » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:16 am

incorrect. also not all URMs are created equal

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby MC Southstar » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:19 am

Doritos wrote:incorrect. also not all URMs are created equal


But they're still URMs.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby lawduder » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:19 am

Probably not. Many URMs are below both 25ths so I'd guess that a good bit of at-the-25ths admits aren't receiving any sort of ethnicity boost.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Xiaolong » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:20 am

Emma1 wrote:What do you think?



I would think that a large majority, but not all, spots at/or below the 25th percentile go to URMs.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Borhas » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:22 am

lawduder wrote:Probably not as many URM admits are below both 25ths.


The only people who are accepted under both 25%'s are URMs except for maybe one or two nontraditional ex-soldiers out of a hundred. That's my recollection of wading through LSN graphs in the past.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby APimpNamedSlickback » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:28 am

hint: look at aba demographic numbers for each school relative to the 25% of each class under the 25th percentiles

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Emma1 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:35 am

hint: asking what other people have found.

My guess is that it would be for URM's with some exceptions. Not sure this is true for splitters though.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby englawyer » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:37 am

the 25th percentiles at most schools are caused by splitters, not urms. schools admit median/median, high lsat/low gpa, or high gpa/low lsat for the most part.

the only candidates who have a realistic shot at 25th/25th are URM or major softs.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby D. H2Oman » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:42 am

If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Emma1 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:45 am

Agree unless you have a very big hook. I wouldn't think of applying at the 25% but am curious about the splitters.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby D. H2Oman » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:48 am

Emma1 wrote:Agree unless you have a very big hook. I wouldn't think of applying at the 25% but am curious about the splitters.



What, approximately, are the numbers you have in mind.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby APimpNamedSlickback » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:49 am

Dwaterman86 wrote:
Emma1 wrote:Agree unless you have a very big hook. I wouldn't think of applying at the 25% but am curious about the splitters.



What, approximately, are the numbers you have in mind.


waterman are you certainly going to be a golden gopher next year or was that just a running joke that i somehow missed?

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby D. H2Oman » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:51 am

talibkweli wrote:
Dwaterman86 wrote:
Emma1 wrote:Agree unless you have a very big hook. I wouldn't think of applying at the 25% but am curious about the splitters.



What, approximately, are the numbers you have in mind.


waterman are you certainly going to be a golden gopher next year or was that just a running joke that i somehow missed?


haha, far from certain, but it's a very realistic possibility.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Emma1 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:53 am

Don't have any particular numbers in mind and am not talking about myself. Interesting though after reading some of the posts in this forum especially when you are dealing with some of the higher numbers at the 25%.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby LSATfromNC » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:54 am

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby AffirmativeOffense » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:57 am

LSATfromNC wrote:
Borhas wrote:
lawduder wrote:Probably not as many URM admits are below both 25ths.


The only people who are accepted under both 25%'s are URMs except for maybe one or two nontraditional ex-soldiers out of a hundred. That's my recollection of wading through LSN graphs in the past.


I pulled one school last year (out of maybe 6?) where I was one point below the 25th LSAT and below median GPA.


Was it a state school in the same state you had residency in? Some of those do have quotas for in-state applicants.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Doritos » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:05 pm

Dwaterman86 wrote:If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.


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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby D. H2Oman » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:08 pm

Doritos wrote:
Dwaterman86 wrote:If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.


I got into UVA below both their 25%. I am a URM. I know other URMs who have done the same. Some may even be reading this.


To Shadow: What I mean by that is that an African American (or as I like to call them black) male has a bigger URM boost than a AA female, or a mexican male, or whatever. So it matters the type of URM in assessing one's chances.



I think you misread my post.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby APimpNamedSlickback » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:08 pm

Doritos wrote:
Dwaterman86 wrote:If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.


I got into UVA below both their 25%. I am a URM. I know other URMs who have done the same. Some may even be reading this.


To Shadow: What I mean by that is that an African American (or as I like to call them black) male has a bigger URM boost than a AA female, or a mexican male, or whatever. So it matters the type of URM in assessing one's chances.


i think he was talking about non-urms.

and to be fair, you applied early decision to a school that is seriously going out of its way to get urms. i'm not sure that one can draw too many conclusions from your results.

typically, successful urms have solid gpas.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby Doritos » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:28 pm

talibkweli wrote:
Doritos wrote:
Dwaterman86 wrote:If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.


I got into UVA below both their 25%. I am a URM. I know other URMs who have done the same. Some may even be reading this.


To Shadow: What I mean by that is that an African American (or as I like to call them black) male has a bigger URM boost than a AA female, or a mexican male, or whatever. So it matters the type of URM in assessing one's chances.


i think he was talking about non-urms.

and to be fair, you applied early decision to a school that is seriously going out of its way to get urms. i'm not sure that one can draw too many conclusions from your results.

typically, successful urms have solid gpas.


I was just reading a thread yesterday about a guy (AA male) who got into WUSTL with a sub 3.0 GPA and a sub 160 LSAT. I got into Boston U Regular Decision a week and a half after going complete (below both medians) . Also got a full ride from Bama (below both medians). Baylor gave me half scholly (my GPA below their median my LSAT right around it). I'm not anything special but the AA male boost is a healthy one to be sure.

Also, I sure did misread that post. Sorry about that

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby englawyer » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:10 pm

Emma1 wrote:Don't have any particular numbers in mind and am not talking about myself. Interesting though after reading some of the posts in this forum especially when you are dealing with some of the higher numbers at the 25%.


emma, you should check out lawschoolnumbers.com to get a sense of the tradeoff in play. a particular splitter to keep in mind is midlish gpa 3.2-3.7 and 170+ LSAT. there are many top schools that will whore out for the 170+ even if the GPA is so-so. these folks are normal splitters.

the other type of splitter is "reverse splitter". typical stats might be 3.95/165 or something like that. they have a shot at the top schools as well, but less of a shot than the high LSAT (because high LSAT is more rare than high GPA). in particular they can sometimes get berkeley who favors high GPA.

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Re: Are acceptances at the 25% margin just for URM's

Postby LSATfromNC » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:16 pm

AffirmativeOffense wrote:
LSATfromNC wrote:
Borhas wrote:
lawduder wrote:Probably not as many URM admits are below both 25ths.


The only people who are accepted under both 25%'s are URMs except for maybe one or two nontraditional ex-soldiers out of a hundred. That's my recollection of wading through LSN graphs in the past.


I pulled one school last year (out of maybe 6?) where I was one point below the 25th LSAT and below median GPA.


Was it a state school in the same state you had residency in? Some of those do have quotas for in-state applicants.


No, it was a private school. Of the approx other six, I was waitlisted at a majority of them. I ended up getting into most off the waitlist, but that was probably due to my retake.




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