SolarWind wrote: Desert Fox wrote: SolarWind wrote:
The point is that an average student at Harvard has a 0.4 advantage over the average student at OSU. That's a huge boost for GPA, bearing in mind how little GPA matters for law school admissions to begin with.
Seriously guys? Cmon... enough of the P.C.... I would bet $$$$ that a HYP student with a 3.4 GPA would have earned a 3.8+ at OSU. Realistically, for law schools your better off going to OSU and crushing it there than going to HYP even with a .4 higher GPA average.
And yes HYP rejected me (well I didn't apply to P)..
There are some students at HY and other Ivies who got the 3.4 because they were not hard workers, and they would not do well at OSU. In fact they might do worse, because OSU isn't afraid to give C's, D's and F's.
There are also student's who work their ass off, but get that A- because they aren't naturally brilliant, just smart. These students would do better at OSU, but .4 better? Maybe, but I doubt it.
Princeton is trying to grade deflate, but at most of the Ivy league you've got to try to get a C.
Again, if a student has a 3.4 at HYP that means he's Median (i.e. lets say right in the middle).
You're telling me that someone who got into HYP, and then did as well as at least half of all the other students there, would do worse at OSU just cause there are more Cs, Ds, and Fs???
I think you and Rayiner usually are spot on, but in this... its just not realistic.
A 3.5 is just above median at Harvard, and is Cum Laude at OSU. From a google search, that used to be top 10%, but its like more like top 15-20% at OSU.
Yes I believe the top 15% at OSU are better students than the 45th percentile at Harvard, considering 32% of OSU students did better than a 30 on the LSAT, and 25% of Harvard students did worse than a 31.
There is a significant level of students with Harvard level talent at flagship public schools. Middle class families in the midwest don't send their kids to the ivy leagues. It just isn't done. Though I heard that they've revamped their financial aid to accommodate middle class families recently. But when I applied, I would have had to pay 2-3 times what UIUC cost.
I would have been competitive at the ivy league, top 2% of my high school class, 33 ACT taken cold, and I still ended up bottom third at UIUC, because I'm a lazy son of a bitch. I'm sure there are plenty of people like me at the Ivy leagues. High school coursework, which is what a large part of college admissions are based on, are not great indicators of success in college.