mepg wrote:Hi All:
I am a 1L at ASU. I was accepted at both UA and ASU last year in January (I wanted to be in AZ so they were my top choices). I applied EA to ASU and early to UA (both in mid-September). I know I got the acceptance to ASU before January 15th, and I think my acceptance to UA by the end of January (but the office at UA was backed up last year because of the dean leaving and thus having to redo the materials). Let me know if you have any questions about ASU or UA (but I will be more helpful regarding ASU!). Good luck!
Hi! thanks for stopping by. Do you mind if I ask a few questions?
1. What caused you to choose ASU over UofA?
2. How is the ASU placement outside of Arizona - do they reach well into Southern CA?
3. How are student fairing with the current turn in the economy? Is the state of Arizona fairing well enough that students have summer gigs?
1. ASU v. UA
This is a contested topic on this board and in general. I will first say that I am originally from Phoenix but did not attend either school for undergrad so I am not biased against either school. Additionally, I believe that after dealing with residency issues, I feel that ASU is more flexible if you want to become a resident or have any residency issues. I was a resident at ASU and not UA (however, I had already made my decision). I really liked both schools when I toured (I had been accepted to 5-6 other schools and ASU and UA were my favorite). However, I prefer Phoenix to Tucson. I would have been fine living in Tucson for three years but would have moved back to Phoenix after school. I didn't want to have to relocate for breaks and worry about lost networking opportunities. Also, ASU is the only established law school in Phoenix; it is very rare to have only one law school in a large city. I have friends at UA, and they like it so I really don't think you could go wrong. I think both schools are very comparable to one another. UA has the higher rank, but ASU has the location. Also, ASU admissions numbers are now almost identical to UA; there are some very intelligent people at ASU. My advice is to visit both schools/cities and attend whichever one is the better fit. From talking to people, ASU and UA place about the same. In Phoenix, there could be a slight alumni bias for one school vs. the other, but neither school seems to be superior.
2. ASU in Southern Cal.
ASU will obviously place better in AZ than CA. I would imagine that you would have a shot in Southern California (especially if you have some connections in the area you want to practice). However, your best shot might be to work in Arizona for a couple of years and then try to move after you have a strong work background. I would not attend either AZ school if you would not be comfortable living in Arizona afterward (in case you couldn't land work in Southern California). I did tour with a UA student from my same undergrad in Los Angeles who had landed a great job in L.A. In short, I think CA would be possible, but I would not depend on it. The beauty of the AZ schools is that there are really only the two. In Los Angeles, you have at least half a dozen schools competing for jobs.
3. Arizona Schools in Summer
This is a tricky question. Big law in Arizona is suffering (like it is everywhere) and is not doing much recruiting. However, there are small and medium sized firms that are thriving. The backup for ASU students is the externship program (although you have to pay tuition). I have heard that UA might not make you pay for credits and will let you do the program on a volunteer bases. Many of the 2Ls are still trying to line up something for summer. However, there is still spring OCI. I luckily have something lined up at a smaller firm for summer. From what I can gather, as opposed to grades dictating summer placement, networking is becoming more important. Luckily, ASU is well respected in the Phoenix legal community so the school has a shadow program for the lLs and is encouraging us to meet as many people as possible. Hopefully, I can answer this better in a month or two.
Hopefully this helps. Please let me know if I can help with anything else.