Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

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Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby muddywaters » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:04 pm

Our site could be jeopardized.

Thanks........again...........

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby tekisui » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:10 pm

If anything inappropriate is being posted, it is deleted, right?

I assume if posts are allowed to stand and threads are allowed to continue with being deleted by the mods, then no rules are being broken.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby pleasetryagain » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:10 pm

I know its probably been discussed... but what exactly is the logic behind us not being allowed to discuss questions on the forum (even in vagaries)? Ive heard that it is because it gives us an advantage over other test takers who dont have access to the forum.. but it is on the internet and a quick google for "june 09 lsat" will return TLS as 2 of the first 4 results. Im not trying to be an asshole.. just looking for an answer.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby muddywaters » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:11 pm

tekisui wrote:If anything inappropriate is being posted, it is deleted, right?

I assume if posts are allowed to stand and threads are allowed to continue with being deleted by the mods, then no rules are being broken.


yeah, but they shouldnt be posted in the first place. it's written all over here.......

we dont want to ban people for this stuff........but its against LSAC and TLS rules.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby mallard » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:11 pm

DCD wrote:I know its probably been discussed... but what exactly is the logic behind us not being allowed to discuss questions on the forum (even in vagaries)? Ive heard that it is because it gives us an advantage over other test takers who dont have access to the forum.. but it is on the internet and a quick google for "june 09 lsat" will return TLS as 2 of the first 4 results. Im not trying to be an asshole.. just looking for an answer.


They're copyrighted.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby muddywaters » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:11 pm

mallard wrote:
DCD wrote:I know its probably been discussed... but what exactly is the logic behind us not being allowed to discuss questions on the forum (even in vagaries)? Ive heard that it is because it gives us an advantage over other test takers who dont have access to the forum.. but it is on the internet and a quick google for "june 09 lsat" will return TLS as 2 of the first 4 results. Im not trying to be an asshole.. just looking for an answer.


They're copyrighted.



yeah.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby muddywaters » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:13 pm

tekisui wrote:If anything inappropriate is being posted, it is deleted, right?

I assume if posts are allowed to stand and threads are allowed to continue with being deleted by the mods, then no rules are being broken.



your assumption is wrong. there are way too many people that are not paying attention to these rules. it takes a long time for us to delete or edit each post.

it's best to just follow the rules if people want to stay members of our kick-ass site.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby pleasetryagain » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:13 pm

right.. but movies are copyrighted too but you are still allowed to talk about them in broad strokes no? we are not reproducing, verbatim, any LSAT questions. Once again.. not being difficult.. Im happy to comply for the sake of the site.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby tekisui » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:15 pm

[quote="muddywaters"

your assumption is wrong. there are way too many people that are not paying attention to these rules. it takes a long time for us to delete or edit each post.

it's best to just follow the rules if people want to stay members of our kick-ass site.[/quote]

Got it. 8)

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby thriller219 » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:15 pm

Ill admit I have been shocked by the amount of actual LSAT stuff that is on here. I was planning on communicating in codes after the exam, talking about pencils and shit. Come on here and there are explicit threads on specific Q's. But whatever, aint me either way.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby muddywaters » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:15 pm

DCD wrote:right.. but movies are copyrighted too but you are still allowed to talk about them in broad strokes no? we are not reproducing, verbatim, any LSAT questions. Once again.. not being difficult.. Im happy to comply for the sake of the site.


thanks for complying. exact wording of questions (or close to exact) and answer choice discussions are not allowed, neither are game set-ups, details of passages, etc.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby muddywaters » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:16 pm

thriller219 wrote:Ill admit I have been shocked by the amount of actual LSAT stuff that is on here. I was planning on communicating in codes after the exam, talking about pencils and shit. Come on here and there are explicit threads on specific Q's. But whatever, aint me either way.


No, but, as members, you should all want our site to remain free from LSAC scrutiny.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby let/them/eat/cake » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:16 pm

i think i recall an RC passage talking about academics being given a lot of license when it comes to copying and making use of copyrighted material, for discussion and research purposes and whatnot.

who's up for a liberal interpretation of academic? anyone?

"I'm a scholar, mother, I enjoy scholarly pursuits."

Edit: I'll cease and desist. this post was meant to be comical in nature.

Also, LSAC scrutiny? the word that most aptly describes the author of this post's attitude towards LSAC scrutiny is: "draconian".
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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby bluejayk » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:17 pm

muddywaters wrote:
tekisui wrote:If anything inappropriate is being posted, it is deleted, right?

I assume if posts are allowed to stand and threads are allowed to continue with being deleted by the mods, then no rules are being broken.


yeah, but they shouldnt be posted in the first place. it's written all over here.......

we dont want to ban people for this stuff........but its against LSAC and TLS rules.


I definitely don't want to put the site in jeopardy, but I'm not sure what is allowable. Obviously, substantial quotes from questions violates copyright. Also, saying something like "Number 13 was D", I guess would be no go, but the very fact that there are multiple threads about multiple LR/LG games makes people assume that what is going on there, in general, is okay.

So are we allowed to say, "the snakes and lizards game was tough, but you really needed to realize that there were only two cages where lizards can go and two cages where gerbils can go", if that was one of the games yesterday?

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby RickyMack » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:17 pm

DCD wrote:right.. but movies are copyrighted too but you are still allowed to talk about them in broad strokes no? we are not reproducing, verbatim, any LSAT questions. Once again.. not being difficult.. Im happy to comply for the sake of the site.


they really should let people print the certifying statement instead of forcing people to write in cursive. i spent more time trying to figure out if i was drawing the letters correctly.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby muddywaters » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:18 pm

bluejayk wrote:
muddywaters wrote:
tekisui wrote:If anything inappropriate is being posted, it is deleted, right?

I assume if posts are allowed to stand and threads are allowed to continue with being deleted by the mods, then no rules are being broken.


yeah, but they shouldnt be posted in the first place. it's written all over here.......

we dont want to ban people for this stuff........but its against LSAC and TLS rules.


I definitely don't want to put the site in jeopardy, but I'm not sure what is allowable. Obviously, substantial quotes from questions violates copyright. Also, saying something like "Number 13 was D", I guess would be no go, but the very fact that there are multiple threads about multiple LR/LG games makes people assume that what is going on there, in general, is okay.

So are we allowed to say, "the snakes and lizards game was tough, but you really needed to realize that there were only two cages where lizards can go and two cages where gerbils can go", if that was one of the games yesterday?


those people are not reading the thread at the top of the forum to not post questions.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby misteranthro » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:19 pm

RickyMack wrote:
DCD wrote:right.. but movies are copyrighted too but you are still allowed to talk about them in broad strokes no? we are not reproducing, verbatim, any LSAT questions. Once again.. not being difficult.. Im happy to comply for the sake of the site.


they really should let people print the certifying statement instead of forcing people to write in cursive. i spent more time trying to figure out if i was drawing the letters correctly.


Q's and Z's are a real bitch. I am pretty sure I oversquiggled on some of my letters.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby Moiz » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:19 pm

i think there was an LSAT passage dealing with copyright issues on the internet a few years back... according to the author of the passage (presumably LSAC), the solution is simply to password protect the sensitive "documents".

done and done.

(sorry, just trying to make light of this contensious issue!)

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby los blancos » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:23 pm

Moiz wrote:i think there was an LSAT passage dealing with copyright issues on the internet a few years back... according to the author of the passage (presumably LSAC), the solution is simply to password protect the sensitive "documents".

done and done.

(sorry, just trying to make light of this contensious issue!)


i think that might've been june 07

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby Bosque » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:27 pm

muddywaters wrote:
tekisui wrote:If anything inappropriate is being posted, it is deleted, right?

I assume if posts are allowed to stand and threads are allowed to continue with being deleted by the mods, then no rules are being broken.



your assumption is wrong. there are way too many people that are not paying attention to these rules. it takes a long time for us to delete or edit each post.

it's best to just follow the rules if people want to stay members of our kick-ass site.


muddywaters wrote:
tekisui wrote:If anything inappropriate is being posted, it is deleted, right?

I assume if posts are allowed to stand and threads are allowed to continue with being deleted by the mods, then no rules are being broken.


yeah, but they shouldnt be posted in the first place. it's written all over here.......

we dont want to ban people for this stuff........but its against LSAC and TLS rules.


Muddy, are you tired? You responded to the same post twice...

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby RickyMack » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:32 pm

Bosque wrote:
muddywaters wrote:
tekisui wrote:If anything inappropriate is being posted, it is deleted, right?

I assume if posts are allowed to stand and threads are allowed to continue with being deleted by the mods, then no rules are being broken.



your assumption is wrong. there are way too many people that are not paying attention to these rules. it takes a long time for us to delete or edit each post.

it's best to just follow the rules if people want to stay members of our kick-ass site.


muddywaters wrote:
tekisui wrote:If anything inappropriate is being posted, it is deleted, right?

I assume if posts are allowed to stand and threads are allowed to continue with being deleted by the mods, then no rules are being broken.


yeah, but they shouldnt be posted in the first place. it's written all over here.......

we dont want to ban people for this stuff........but its against LSAC and TLS rules.


Muddy, are you tired? You responded to the same post twice...


i'm sure lsac has been forcing him at gunpoint to scour the threads for violations =*( i'd like to take the time to apologies for any discretion and i will attempt to prevent future infringements.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby jtgain » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:24 pm

I still don't understand how any of this violates LSACs copyright, or how they can forbid a discussion of what happened on the test.

Let me ask you this: If I watch Die Hard, and come on this site and say "Wow, that Bruce Willis sure was cool when he threw the guy off of the building" can I be sued for copyright infringement by the movie studio?

I don't think LSACs or anyone else's copyright extends that far. Now if it is a board rule for whatever reason, that's fine, but I don't think any of us needs a lecture on how we are breaking the copyright laws when it is certainly not true..

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby im_blue » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:30 pm

jtgain wrote:I still don't understand how any of this violates LSACs copyright, or how they can forbid a discussion of what happened on the test.

Let me ask you this: If I watch Die Hard, and come on this site and say "Wow, that Bruce Willis sure was cool when he threw the guy off of the building" can I be sued for copyright infringement by the movie studio?

I don't think LSACs or anyone else's copyright extends that far. Now if it is a board rule for whatever reason, that's fine, but I don't think any of us needs a lecture on how we are breaking the copyright laws when it is certainly not true..


Yeah, I don't think copyright is the issue, because it's not like we're distributing copies of the LSAT here. But every test taker signed an agreement not to discuss the content of the test, and the concern is that individual posters can be subpeonaed and have their test scores cancelled for breaking that agreement.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby pleasetryagain » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:53 pm

im_blue wrote:
jtgain wrote:I still don't understand how any of this violates LSACs copyright, or how they can forbid a discussion of what happened on the test.

Let me ask you this: If I watch Die Hard, and come on this site and say "Wow, that Bruce Willis sure was cool when he threw the guy off of the building" can I be sued for copyright infringement by the movie studio?

I don't think LSACs or anyone else's copyright extends that far. Now if it is a board rule for whatever reason, that's fine, but I don't think any of us needs a lecture on how we are breaking the copyright laws when it is certainly not true..


Yeah, I don't think copyright is the issue, because it's not like we're distributing copies of the LSAT here. But every test taker signed an agreement not to discuss the content of the test, and the concern is that individual posters can be subpeonaed and have their test scores cancelled for breaking that agreement.


i dont think thats really the concern.. I think its more that the site doesnt want to piss of LSAC (understandably).

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Re: Yet ANOTHER (necessary) reminder to STOP POSTING ABOUT ???

Postby im_blue » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:59 pm

DCD wrote:
im_blue wrote:
jtgain wrote:I still don't understand how any of this violates LSACs copyright, or how they can forbid a discussion of what happened on the test.

Let me ask you this: If I watch Die Hard, and come on this site and say "Wow, that Bruce Willis sure was cool when he threw the guy off of the building" can I be sued for copyright infringement by the movie studio?

I don't think LSACs or anyone else's copyright extends that far. Now if it is a board rule for whatever reason, that's fine, but I don't think any of us needs a lecture on how we are breaking the copyright laws when it is certainly not true..


Yeah, I don't think copyright is the issue, because it's not like we're distributing copies of the LSAT here. But every test taker signed an agreement not to discuss the content of the test, and the concern is that individual posters can be subpeonaed and have their test scores cancelled for breaking that agreement.


i dont think thats really the concern.. I think its more that the site doesnt want to piss of LSAC (understandably).


But the question is what can LSAC do to TLS because some posters violated their NDA?




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