How many 180's a year?

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How many 180's a year?

Postby bcjets212 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:54 am

Just out of curiosity, how many people get a 180 each test and/or year? Thanks

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby ANON3333 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:56 am

.01%?

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby kjunfood » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:57 am

ANON3333 wrote:.01%?


well in that case, how many people take the lsat a year? lol

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby Stanley Otto Swift » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:59 am

kjunfood wrote:
ANON3333 wrote:.01%?


well in that case, how many people take the lsat a year? lol


IIRC, a 180 is 99.98%, so 2 out of 10,000. I think approximately 100,000 people take the test each year, so extrapolating from that, around 20.
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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby kjunfood » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:01 am

Stanley Otto Swift wrote:
kjunfood wrote:
ANON3333 wrote:.01%?


well in that case, how many people take the lsat a year? lol


IIRC, a 180 is 99.98%, so 2 out of 10,000. I think approximately 100,000 people take the test each year, so extrapolating that out, around 20.


haha thx for the answer. i was a bit curious about this as well.

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby WestOfTheRest » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:02 am

Stanley Otto Swift wrote:
kjunfood wrote:
ANON3333 wrote:.01%?


well in that case, how many people take the lsat a year? lol


IIRC, a 180 is 99.98%, so 2 out of 10,000. I think approximately 100,000 people take the test each year, so extrapolating that out, around 20.


Is it 100,000 per year, or is it per test?

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby ANON3333 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:03 am

for June 08, 179 and 180 were both 99.9%, so 10 in that instance using swifts numbers.

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby Stanley Otto Swift » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:05 am

I thought it was 100,000 per year, but I could definitely be wrong. I will say that 100,000 takers per administration (excluding February) intuitively seems high.

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby bcjets212 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:05 am

Where can you find that data? I got a 180 on the Oct test, but it only says 99% (obviously higher).

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby Stanley Otto Swift » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:07 am

http://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/scale.htm

This is where I got 99.98%, but after looking at it, this is dated information. Given the recent shift in scales, there are probably a few more 180s than I thought.

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby ANON3333 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:08 am

IRR Additional Information Document

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby bigben » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:56 am

Stanley Otto Swift wrote:
kjunfood wrote:
ANON3333 wrote:.01%?


well in that case, how many people take the lsat a year? lol


IIRC, a 180 is 99.98%, so 2 out of 10,000. I think approximately 100,000 people take the test each year, so extrapolating from that, around 20.


I think it's more like 99.9 flat, and it was closer to 150,000 this year. So around 150?

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby kjunfood » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:02 am

bigben wrote:
Stanley Otto Swift wrote:
kjunfood wrote:
ANON3333 wrote:.01%?


well in that case, how many people take the lsat a year? lol


IIRC, a 180 is 99.98%, so 2 out of 10,000. I think approximately 100,000 people take the test each year, so extrapolating from that, around 20.


I think it's more like 99.9 flat, and it was closer to 150,000 this year. So around 150?


150,000 a year or per test date? (so technically 4 times a year)

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby Stanley Otto Swift » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:11 am

bigben wrote:
I think it's more like 99.9 flat, and it was closer to 150,000 this year. So around 150?


I'd dispute the 99.90% figure without seeing some hard data. On the powerscore page I linked to above they quote 99.98%, and while the scale has shifted since then, I don't think it has shifted that much. 99.98% equates to 1 in 5000; 99.9 equates to 1 in 1000. I have a hard time believing that a 180 is statistically 5 times more likely today as compared to 6-10 years ago.

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby dk99 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:19 am

At some point I was told that approximately 6 people per test receive a 180. So that would be somewhere in the area of 24 people per year.

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby Helmholtz » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:49 am

According to Kaplan (yeah, I know), there were 98 people who scored a 180 in the years 2003, 2004, and 2005. That figures out to be about 33 people a year and 8 people for each test administration. I don't think the numbers of 180 scores are very static, though. I could very easily see 15 people getting a 180 during one test and then maybe 4 or 5 the next test.

"It varies from eight to 18 people a year who score a 180 on the test," said Brent Dunn, Ace LSAT test preparation founder. "But that is out of 120,000 people that take it, so it is a pretty big deal."

I really don't know who the hell Brent Dunn is and I've never heard of Ace LSAT test prep so take that his little nugget of information for what it's worth.

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Re: How many 180's a year?

Postby Nemorino » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:11 am

If you have took the LSAT some time in 2008, there should be a document called "IRR Additional Information Document" under the LSAT tab of Account Status.

That document lists the 2005-2008 percentile distribution as follows:

180 - 99.9
179 - 99.9
178 - 99.8
177 - 99.7
176 - 99.6
175 - 99.5
174 - 99.3
173 - 99.0
172 - 98.6
171 - 98.1
170 - 97.5
.
.
.
164 - 90.7

In the 2007-2008 cycle, there were 142,331 test takers. We can conclude that around 140 people got a 179 or 180 during that cycle. I say this because it's reasonable to assume that each 179 or 180 represents a unique test-taker.

Interpreting the percentile distribution gets a lot more screwey as we go down the scale, since significant number of people retake and perform differently from the first time (so a 161 and a 171, each contributing to the overall percentile distribution, may actually represent a single applicant)

Edit: Stan - it's possible that only the top .02% scores 180, and the next .08% scores 179 (and together, 179 and 180 make up the top .1%)




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