Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy? Forum
- joeysun
- Posts: 21
- Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:41 am
Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Here's the deal:
I'm taking the October LSAT, so I've got around 2 weeks to go. I've been taking a TestMasters class since July, which has helped tremendously. My very first diagnostic ever was a 143, to put it into perspective.
Today I took a diagnostic and got a 164. My goal is 170. I did great on the logic games section (-2), decent on the logical reasoning (-10 over both), but pretty bad on the reading comprehension (-8).
My only problem on RC, however, was speed. I spent an inordinate amount of time on the first two passages and only missed one question through both of those. However, due to the time constraints, I had to rush through the final passage, getting 5 right and 3 wrong, and I had to randomly bubble the third passage, getting only 1 question right and 4 wrong.
In your opinions, what is the best way to improve speed on the RC section without forsaking accuracy? On the first two passages, I read for complete understanding, taking margin notes that summarized what was going on. It minimized how much I had to refer back to the passage itself. I'm wondering whether this process alone is just too time consuming?
BTW, the two missed questions in LG were dumb mistakes I shouldn't have made. Likewise, in the LR sections, I probably could have gotten 3 more points out of it. So, my reasoning is that if I'm able to improve the RC speed, my goal could be within reach.
Thank you very much for your help.
I'm taking the October LSAT, so I've got around 2 weeks to go. I've been taking a TestMasters class since July, which has helped tremendously. My very first diagnostic ever was a 143, to put it into perspective.
Today I took a diagnostic and got a 164. My goal is 170. I did great on the logic games section (-2), decent on the logical reasoning (-10 over both), but pretty bad on the reading comprehension (-8).
My only problem on RC, however, was speed. I spent an inordinate amount of time on the first two passages and only missed one question through both of those. However, due to the time constraints, I had to rush through the final passage, getting 5 right and 3 wrong, and I had to randomly bubble the third passage, getting only 1 question right and 4 wrong.
In your opinions, what is the best way to improve speed on the RC section without forsaking accuracy? On the first two passages, I read for complete understanding, taking margin notes that summarized what was going on. It minimized how much I had to refer back to the passage itself. I'm wondering whether this process alone is just too time consuming?
BTW, the two missed questions in LG were dumb mistakes I shouldn't have made. Likewise, in the LR sections, I probably could have gotten 3 more points out of it. So, my reasoning is that if I'm able to improve the RC speed, my goal could be within reach.
Thank you very much for your help.
- vasiok
- Posts: 128
- Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:07 pm
- joeysun
- Posts: 21
- Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:41 am
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Thanks for the snarky response. Care to provide anything helpful?vasiok wrote:Read more.
- fightin illini 25
- Posts: 35
- Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:31 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Vasiok is right in saying you need to read more to improve your speed. It really is the best way to prepare yourself for the rigors of the RC section of the LSAT.
Here are some websites you should check out and read as if you are reading for RC.
The Economist
Scientific American
Wall Street Journal
Try to read the opinion pieces, since those best capture the format of the LSAT RC section.
Also stop reading for detail on the RC passages, don't get bogged down in detail. Most of the questions asked are broad and encompassing of the whole text and if they are not they usually direct you where to look and you can give it another glance over.
Good luck!
Here are some websites you should check out and read as if you are reading for RC.
The Economist
Scientific American
Wall Street Journal
Try to read the opinion pieces, since those best capture the format of the LSAT RC section.
Also stop reading for detail on the RC passages, don't get bogged down in detail. Most of the questions asked are broad and encompassing of the whole text and if they are not they usually direct you where to look and you can give it another glance over.
Good luck!
- ilove
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:09 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
vasiok wrote:Read more.
this isn't very insighftul. it should be................................................read fast.
Want to continue reading?
Register now to search topics and post comments!
Absolutely FREE!
Already a member? Login
-
- Posts: 8
- Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:08 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
I too started TM in July, and RC is still my worst section. I actually gave up on the RC section in that last diag since I was so drained by section 5 (was yours also Dec 2007?). I got stuck and was more worried about the test and the girl next to me smacking on her gum than reading. What I am doing about my problem is reading more... newspapers, The Economist, or anything I can pick apart. I'm registered for Oct, but may be postponing to give myself more time to learn how to read.
I'll give you the same advice that I'm giving myself: Read more dense material and pick it apart, and read more about reading. The new RC Bible might do you good.
And congratulations on the 164... not bad at all.
I'll give you the same advice that I'm giving myself: Read more dense material and pick it apart, and read more about reading. The new RC Bible might do you good.
And congratulations on the 164... not bad at all.
- JazzOne
- Posts: 2979
- Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:04 am
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
I actually agree with the reply above. Perhaps it sounded snide, but it is the only way to improve your reading speed. Read as much non-fiction as you can find. Technical articles (like magazines or periodicals) tend to be well written, well researched, and tough to digest. They are great practice for improving reading speed. I read three or four hours per day for entertainment.
- Lyov Myshkin
- Posts: 218
- Joined: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:28 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
you and i have two different ideas of 'entertainment'.JazzOne wrote:I actually agree with the reply above. Perhaps it sounded snide, but it is the only way to improve your reading speed. Read as much non-fiction as you can find. Technical articles (like magazines or periodicals) tend to be well written, well researched, and tough to digest. They are great practice for improving reading speed. I read three or four hours per day for entertainment.
- joeysun
- Posts: 21
- Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:41 am
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Thanks a lot for the replies, everybody. I appreciate the explanations and the suggestions of how to try to improve my RC. I guess I'll be buying a few issues of The Economist and SA at Borders today.
- isaaca
- Posts: 29
- Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:04 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Hahahkfortytwo wrote:you and i have two different ideas of 'entertainment'.JazzOne wrote:I actually agree with the reply above. Perhaps it sounded snide, but it is the only way to improve your reading speed. Read as much non-fiction as you can find. Technical articles (like magazines or periodicals) tend to be well written, well researched, and tough to digest. They are great practice for improving reading speed. I read three or four hours per day for entertainment.
- blhblahblah
- Posts: 132
- Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:54 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Actually, vasio's piece of advice was quite pithy; I found yours quite arrogant, tbh.joeysun wrote:Thanks for the snarky response. Care to provide anything helpful?vasiok wrote:Read more.
- Stanley Otto Swift
- Posts: 84
- Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:37 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Credited. OP, what did you think you were going to get? Minutely detailed advice as to how you can read and comprehend written material faster? There is no panacea or system that will unlock the secret of RC to you. It sounds like you have been working hard, so keep it up. Pick up some absurdly difficult material and read it, with full concentration, for several (if not dozens of) hours. To name just a few, I would recommend the magazines "Science" and "Nature" for science passages, and Jack Rakove's _Original Meanings_ or actual law review articles for law passages. In addition, Kaplan's LSAT 180 and Princeton Review's LSAT Workout have some absurdly dense passages as well, but nothing worse than you could find at a University library. Practice, practice, practice. Establish RC mark-ups that work for you and ruthlessly apply them. Work your ass off until the test and you will improve.blhblahblah wrote:Actually, vasio's piece of advice was quite pithy; I found yours quite arrogant, tbh.joeysun wrote:Thanks for the snarky response. Care to provide anything helpful?vasiok wrote:Read more.
-
- Posts: 106
- Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:43 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
RC bible says to spend 3 min reading the passage and the remaining 5 minutes 45 seconds answering questions for that particular passage. Try to adjust your pacing to fit that model.
Register now!
Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.
It's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
- joeysun
- Posts: 21
- Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:41 am
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Well, when I posted my original message, I guess you could say I WAS looking for detailed advice for how to improve my RC passages. Typically on TLS, some posters will contribute information that is really quite thorough and helpful. In response to many of my questions, I've gotten fantastic advice and feedback from a lot of people. Others will provide suggestions that are less than stellar and have a negative tone to them. That's how I interpreted vasiok's first comment, and if I was wrong, my bad.Stanley Otto Swift wrote:Credited. OP, what did you think you were going to get? Minutely detailed advice as to how you can read and comprehend written material faster? There is no panacea or system that will unlock the secret of RC to you. It sounds like you have been working hard, so keep it up. Pick up some absurdly difficult material and read it, with full concentration, for several (if not dozens of) hours. To name just a few, I would recommend the magazines "Science" and "Nature" for science passages, and Jack Rakove's _Original Meanings_ or actual law review articles for law passages. In addition, Kaplan's LSAT 180 and Princeton Review's LSAT Workout have some absurdly dense passages as well, but nothing worse than you could find at a University library. Practice, practice, practice. Establish RC mark-ups that work for you and ruthlessly apply them. Work your ass off until the test and you will improve.blhblahblah wrote:Actually, vasio's piece of advice was quite pithy; I found yours quite arrogant, tbh.joeysun wrote:Thanks for the snarky response. Care to provide anything helpful?vasiok wrote:Read more.
At its surface, he's right. Reading more seems to be the consensus for improving. But, reading WHAT more? Simply replying "Read more," while technically correct, is really not all that helpful to me. In fact, it's quite counterproductive, hence my response.
However, everyone who responded with a response that had some detail and reasoning to it, yourself included, was more than helpful, and I'm very appreciative of that. For example, fightin illini broke down a few great resources to tackle, goldengaff recommended the RC bible along with a few other tips, JazzOne suggested technical articles, and you suggested even more. Those are the responses that I was looking for and that are ultimately helpful, not someone quick to respond with "TCR."
So again, thank you everyone who made great suggestions! They have been very helpful, and hopefully my score will reflect an improvement because of them!
- Stanley Otto Swift
- Posts: 84
- Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:37 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Check out Voyager's RC thread, if you haven't already.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... ading+Comp
Some people swear by it. At the very least it will give you a starting point for basic mark-ups. This RC thread has some good info as well:
--LinkRemoved--
Try a few different things and see what works for you. I'm a minimalist when it comes to marking and am generally able to "get" a passage on one reading. Many high-LSAT scorers attribute their success to extensive underlining and mark-ups. There seems to be no clear consensus.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... ading+Comp
Some people swear by it. At the very least it will give you a starting point for basic mark-ups. This RC thread has some good info as well:
--LinkRemoved--
Try a few different things and see what works for you. I'm a minimalist when it comes to marking and am generally able to "get" a passage on one reading. Many high-LSAT scorers attribute their success to extensive underlining and mark-ups. There seems to be no clear consensus.
- Portal
- Posts: 17
- Joined: Thu May 29, 2008 4:06 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
I doubt reading fast will help significantly. Basically, (a) practice a lot so you get used to the question types and whatnot, (b) practice retaining what you read (using whatever method helps you do this.)
-
- Posts: 5
- Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:24 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Speed and accuracy come with passage understanding. When you fully comprehend the passage, you will need to refer back to it only minimally (a huge timesaver), debating wrong answers will occur infrequently (a HUGE timesaver) and you will be able to prephrase some of the answers (another huge timesaver).
If you start answering the questions without comprehending the passage, you will be doomed. You will either get 2-3 wrong or you will go over 9 minutes and screw yourself on the other passages.
Just reading the words faster will not increase your comprehension. Reading the economist for a few weeks probably won't help either.
Also, just do a search on "reading comprehension" using the "search forum" box right below the TLS banner. This topic has come up before many many times.
If you start answering the questions without comprehending the passage, you will be doomed. You will either get 2-3 wrong or you will go over 9 minutes and screw yourself on the other passages.
Just reading the words faster will not increase your comprehension. Reading the economist for a few weeks probably won't help either.
Also, just do a search on "reading comprehension" using the "search forum" box right below the TLS banner. This topic has come up before many many times.
Get unlimited access to all forums and topics
Register now!
I'm pretty sure I told you it's FREE...
Already a member? Login
- The Kid
- Posts: 52
- Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:33 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
Some people have said that reading The Economist to prepare for RC is a waste of time (it would be a breeze compared to the real thing). Now I was just thinking if good literature couldn't provide a better and at the same time more pleasant way to prepare. For instance, It occurred to me that a lot of descriptive paragraphs found on William Faulkner seem to set themselves on equal footing with the details-loaded RC scientific passages. What do you think?
- rman1201
- Posts: 957
- Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:11 pm
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
You actually write out a summary of whats int the passage? Seems like a huge waste of time. Try just reading it for understanding and retaining what you read. If you struggle with that then as suggested read more. It doesn't even have to be articles that mirror RC passages, just read scholarly work (Your school should have subscriptions to online databases of academic journals) regularly and primarily focus on retaining the main points of what you read after you read it, as well as the overall tone/conclusion/etc.
I've gone through RC bible and the approaches just seem too methodical and therefore time consuming. The best approach is to find something that works for you.
I've gone through RC bible and the approaches just seem too methodical and therefore time consuming. The best approach is to find something that works for you.
-
- Posts: 68
- Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:24 am
Re: Best way to improve RC speed without losing accuracy?
very good, can't agree more.BlackJack wrote:Speed and accuracy come with passage understanding. When you fully comprehend the passage, you will need to refer back to it only minimally (a huge timesaver), debating wrong answers will occur infrequently (a HUGE timesaver) and you will be able to prephrase some of the answers (another huge timesaver).
If you start answering the questions without comprehending the passage, you will be doomed. You will either get 2-3 wrong or you will go over 9 minutes and screw yourself on the other passages.
Just reading the words faster will not increase your comprehension. Reading the economist for a few weeks probably won't help either.
Also, just do a search on "reading comprehension" using the "search forum" box right below the TLS banner. This topic has come up before many many times.
Communicate now with those who not only know what a legal education is, but can offer you worthy advice and commentary as you complete the three most educational, yet challenging years of your law related post graduate life.
Register now, it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login