-11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Prepare for the LSAT or discuss it with others in this forum.

What did you get?

Poll ended at Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:19 am

180-178
10
7%
177-175
15
11%
174-172
18
13%
171-169
21
15%
168-166
23
17%
165-160
27
20%
159-155
13
9%
154-150
7
5%
<150
4
3%
 
Total votes: 138

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby 181plz » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:58 pm

OldSpeedoGuy wrote:
181plz wrote:
OldSpeedoGuy wrote:
181plz wrote:
OldSpeedoGuy wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:
OldSpeedoGuy wrote:Can someone define democratic socialist for me?

Not really. The "Nordic Model" sense it's used in the US is pretty much wrong, but it's hard to tell who means it that way vs the anti-capitalist Allende/Chavez/Debs way.


I take it as people enchanted by Bernie Sanders, but Sanders has been inconsistent. Historically, he's as red as they come, but he conveniently (and deceptively) points to Scandinavian countries as exemplars.



Red as they come? So Bernie = Mao? You're being ridiculous... Bernie isn't red. He's not even a true socialist. He doesn't want to overthrow capitalism or destroy the concept of private wealth; Bernie advocates for more governmental services with higher taxation, but that doesn't make him "red." As stated earlier, that doesn't even make him a socialist.

He has historically flirted with and been involved in groups propping up despots from Stalin to Chavez. He has openly opposed free enterprise and capitalism. He tried to moderate that while running as a Democrat, but had the occasional slip like, "You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country."



Bernie was 12 when Stalin died. I don't know what group you think he was in that supported Stalin.

Sha'ar Ha'amakim. If that's not enough, there's his praise of the Castro regime in the 80's, flying a Soviet flag in his office, and his asinine claim from 2011 that the American dream was more apt to be realized in Venezuela.



None of your claims make him red, pro Stalin, or even pro Chavez. Working on an Israeli commune is not equivalent to supporting Stalin. That is an absurd argument. I doubt you can come up with any evidence that he flew a soviet flag in his office, but I'll give you some credit if you produce some.

Also, the comment on Venezuela: "these days the American Dream is more apt to be realized in South America in places such as ... Venezuela" was tounge in cheek; he did not say "let's be more like Venezuela." He just pointed out how difficult it was to achieve economic mobility in the US, utilizing data that indicated it may have been easier in Venezuela at the time. The point was "look how bad things are getting in America." Not "let's copy Venezuela." Furthermore, he did not give Chavez any praise in the quote.

Your characterization of Bernie as "red" is based on absurd and irrational conjecture, with no substantial evidence. He has been quite clear with his policy recommendations during his time in congress, and none of them have been pro-communism. Right wingers in the USA seem to think anything left of center is commie. The Cold War is over. Take down your McCarthy posters and stop accusing anyone left of you of being red.

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Barry grandpapy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:38 pm

I can group Y/H/S and Cornell/Berkeley/Northwestern into an "any of" to fit all t14 with a "I will apply to all" option. Thoughts?

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby OldSpeedoGuy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:50 pm

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby OldSpeedoGuy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:59 pm

181plz wrote:
None of your claims make him red, pro Stalin, or even pro Chavez. Working on an Israeli commune is not equivalent to supporting Stalin. That is an absurd argument. I doubt you can come up with any evidence that he flew a soviet flag in his office, but I'll give you some credit if you produce some.

Also, the comment on Venezuela: "these days the American Dream is more apt to be realized in South America in places such as ... Venezuela" was tounge in cheek; he did not say "let's be more like Venezuela." He just pointed out how difficult it was to achieve economic mobility in the US, utilizing data that indicated it may have been easier in Venezuela at the time. The point was "look how bad things are getting in America." Not "let's copy Venezuela." Furthermore, he did not give Chavez any praise in the quote.

Your characterization of Bernie as "red" is based on absurd and irrational conjecture, with no substantial evidence. He has been quite clear with his policy recommendations during his time in congress, and none of them have been pro-communism. Right wingers in the USA seem to think anything left of center is commie. The Cold War is over. Take down your McCarthy posters and stop accusing anyone left of you of being red.

An Israeli commune that was part of Hashomer Hatzair, praised Stalin, and sang The Internationale. He flew the Soviet flag after making Burlington a sister city for the USSR and Nicaragua (where he visited and lobbied for the leader of the Sandinistas).

He didn't specifically mention Chavez, he only praised his form of government (the one that is currently imploding under Maduro).
He is on video praising the Castro regime and acting as an apologist for the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
He made a half hour film lauding Eugene Debs and he still has a plaque dedicated to Debs in his Senate office.
He has stated that he doesn't believe in the capitalist system and, “I personally happen not to be a great believer in the free enterprise system for many reasons.”

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Anon-e-miss » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:05 pm

OldSpeedoGuy wrote:
181plz wrote:
None of your claims make him red, pro Stalin, or even pro Chavez. Working on an Israeli commune is not equivalent to supporting Stalin. That is an absurd argument. I doubt you can come up with any evidence that he flew a soviet flag in his office, but I'll give you some credit if you produce some.

Also, the comment on Venezuela: "these days the American Dream is more apt to be realized in South America in places such as ... Venezuela" was tounge in cheek; he did not say "let's be more like Venezuela." He just pointed out how difficult it was to achieve economic mobility in the US, utilizing data that indicated it may have been easier in Venezuela at the time. The point was "look how bad things are getting in America." Not "let's copy Venezuela." Furthermore, he did not give Chavez any praise in the quote.

Your characterization of Bernie as "red" is based on absurd and irrational conjecture, with no substantial evidence. He has been quite clear with his policy recommendations during his time in congress, and none of them have been pro-communism. Right wingers in the USA seem to think anything left of center is commie. The Cold War is over. Take down your McCarthy posters and stop accusing anyone left of you of being red.

An Israeli commune that was part of Hashomer Hatzair, praised Stalin, and sang The Internationale. He flew the Soviet flag after making Burlington a sister city for the USSR and Nicaragua (where he visited and lobbied for the leader of the Sandinistas).

He didn't specifically mention Chavez, he only praised his form of government (the one that is currently imploding under Maduro).
He is on video praising the Castro regime and acting as an apologist for the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
He made a half hour film lauding Eugene Debs and he still has a plaque dedicated to Debs in his Senate office.
He has stated that he doesn't believe in the capitalist system and, “I personally happen not to be a great believer in the free enterprise system for many reasons.”

You're acting as though praising Eugene Debs is a bad thing :lol:
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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby creed » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:37 pm

when u spend all day doing politics and then tls is also doing politics.

and of all things, having an argument over whether bernie sanders, obviously not a communist, is a communist

here's a good way to see whether or not bernie sanders is a communist

look at literally any-- any-- of his 2016 proposals. not only are they not communist proposals, they're barely democratic socialist proposals. if you think he's a communist, you either don't understand his views, don't understand communism, or aren't operating in good faith. next!

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Barry grandpapy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:41 pm

gettin turnt rn

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Socratease » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:30 pm

creed wrote:when u spend all day doing politics and then tls is also doing politics.

and of all things, having an argument over whether bernie sanders, obviously not a communist, is a communist

here's a good way to see whether or not bernie sanders is a communist

look at literally any-- any-- of his 2016 proposals. not only are they not communist proposals, they're barely democratic socialist proposals. if you think he's a communist, you either don't understand his views, don't understand communism, or aren't operating in good faith. next!


+1. thank satan the poll was changed

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Barry grandpapy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:39 pm

Socratease wrote:
creed wrote:when u spend all day doing politics and then tls is also doing politics.

and of all things, having an argument over whether bernie sanders, obviously not a communist, is a communist

here's a good way to see whether or not bernie sanders is a communist

look at literally any-- any-- of his 2016 proposals. not only are they not communist proposals, they're barely democratic socialist proposals. if you think he's a communist, you either don't understand his views, don't understand communism, or aren't operating in good faith. next!


+1. thank satan the poll was changed


I really should have added apolitical to the options. I didn't give 2 shits about those conversations.

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby AvatarMeelo » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:41 pm

Went to a deans panel and praying to LSAT gods that I got a score that lets me apply to Duke

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby wmbuff » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:02 pm

clueless801 wrote:Went to a deans panel and praying to LSAT gods that I got a score that lets me apply to Duke


I've got that (and a few others) nearly ready to drop the moment the scores come in. Just need my LORs from a couple folks and it'll be go time.
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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby GnarMarBinx » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:02 pm

For the people who drilled LR by question types (and didn't pay for 7sage) how did you do it? I want to drill parallel reasoning questions and flaw questions but not sure exactly how to do it in an efficient manner. The only way I can think to do it right now is to search through tests and print off pages with 3 or so other question types on it and ignore the others -- which would waste a lot of time and ink.

Is there a way to line up questions of certain types to print off without having a paid for 7sage account (or even line up question types in an un-printable manner)? If you didn't have a 7sage account, how did you drill LR question types?

Thanks for any answer you can give!

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Socratease » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:02 pm

Barry grandpapy wrote:
Socratease wrote:
creed wrote:when u spend all day doing politics and then tls is also doing politics.

and of all things, having an argument over whether bernie sanders, obviously not a communist, is a communist

here's a good way to see whether or not bernie sanders is a communist

look at literally any-- any-- of his 2016 proposals. not only are they not communist proposals, they're barely democratic socialist proposals. if you think he's a communist, you either don't understand his views, don't understand communism, or aren't operating in good faith. next!


+1. thank satan the poll was changed


I really should have added apolitical to the options. I didn't give 2 shits about those conversations.


meh. i don't think too many of us identify as apolitical so i'm not sure how much that would've changed things.

it's just that the last thing i want to do is read political debates between a bunch of wannabe lawyers on anonymous internet forums (aka 'computer conferences' (shoutsout to PT36)). luv you guys, but blehhh.

anyway, anybody read any good books recently? currently reading The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen. i think it's pretty good so far.

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Postby wmbuff » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:11 pm

Socratease wrote:anyway, anybody read any good books recently? currently reading The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen. i think it's pretty good so far.


Working on Fire on the Mountain by Terry Bisson. So far, it's an alternate history more worthy of the term 'dangerous vision' than anything in the famed anthology of that name.
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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby ugatvandy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:12 pm

GnarMarBinx wrote:For the people who drilled LR by question types (and didn't pay for 7sage) how did you do it? I want to drill parallel reasoning questions and flaw questions but not sure exactly how to do it in an efficient manner. The only way I can think to do it right now is to search through tests and print off pages with 3 or so other question types on it and ignore the others -- which would waste a lot of time and ink.

Is there a way to line up questions of certain types to print off without having a paid for 7sage account (or even line up question types in an un-printable manner)? If you didn't have a 7sage account, how did you drill LR question types?

Thanks for any answer you can give!


idk if its exactly what you're looking for, but Nathan Fox has a book that has over 500 logical reasoning questions in it, divided by question type and listed in order of difficulty. He also goes into detail about how to predict the answer and why each answer choice is right/wrong. Plus, he's the sassiest motherfucker alive and it will literally make studying logical reasoning enjoyable.

Hope this helps some!

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby OldSpeedoGuy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:16 pm

creed wrote:when u spend all day doing politics and then tls is also doing politics.

and of all things, having an argument over whether bernie sanders, obviously not a communist, is a communist

here's a good way to see whether or not bernie sanders is a communist

look at literally any-- any-- of his 2016 proposals. not only are they not communist proposals, they're barely democratic socialist proposals. if you think he's a communist, you either don't understand his views, don't understand communism, or aren't operating in good faith. next!


Like I said, he toned it down when he ran as a Democrat.

Trump gets dragged (and rightly so) for pandering to white nationalists and Nazis, but Bernie spends his life carrying water for an ideology responsible for 100 million dead in the 20th century and people feel the need to run interference for him.

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Postby former_yooper » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:20 pm

Anyone have any insight into whether it's better to do an interview with an alum or with someone directly from admissions? I had an upcoming interview with someone in admission from Vanderbilt while they were in my area but they had to cancel last minute. They've offered either to do a Skype interview with the same person who would have interviewed me (Associate Director of Admissions) or an in-person interview with an alum in my area.

Thoughts?

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Postby chewinggum » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:26 pm

wmbuff wrote:
Socratease wrote:anyway, anybody read any good books recently? currently reading The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen. i think it's pretty good so far.


Working on Fire on the Mountain by Terry Bisson. So far, it's an alternate history more worthy of the term 'dangerous vision' than anything in the famed anthology of that name.

Just started The Bell Jar today!

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Postby ugatvandy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:32 pm

OldSpeedoGuy wrote:
creed wrote:when u spend all day doing politics and then tls is also doing politics.

and of all things, having an argument over whether bernie sanders, obviously not a communist, is a communist

here's a good way to see whether or not bernie sanders is a communist

look at literally any-- any-- of his 2016 proposals. not only are they not communist proposals, they're barely democratic socialist proposals. if you think he's a communist, you either don't understand his views, don't understand communism, or aren't operating in good faith. next!


Like I said, he toned it down when he ran as a Democrat.

Drumpf gets dragged (and rightly so) for pandering to white nationalists and Nazis, but Bernie spends his life carrying water for an ideology responsible for 100 million dead in the 20th century and people feel the need to run interference for him.


Just because something is the same in name does not mean it's the same in ideology or execution, theoretical or otherwise. Yes, Bernie identifies as a socialist, but it's in no way similar to the socialism of Castro and others of that nature.

Douchedick Drumpf on the other hand has views and comments that line up PERFECTLY with an ideology that has oppressed and murdered specific groups of people for hundreds of years, and there's no room for interpretation there. Socialism can be seen as many things by many people, but it's pretty fucking hard to spin white supremacy as anything other than white people who think they're better than other people just because they're white.

Let's not compare a racist rapist to a well-intentioned man.

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby GnarMarBinx » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:51 pm

ugatvandy wrote:
GnarMarBinx wrote:For the people who drilled LR by question types (and didn't pay for 7sage) how did you do it? I want to drill parallel reasoning questions and flaw questions but not sure exactly how to do it in an efficient manner. The only way I can think to do it right now is to search through tests and print off pages with 3 or so other question types on it and ignore the others -- which would waste a lot of time and ink.

Is there a way to line up questions of certain types to print off without having a paid for 7sage account (or even line up question types in an un-printable manner)? If you didn't have a 7sage account, how did you drill LR question types?

Thanks for any answer you can give!


idk if its exactly what you're looking for, but Nathan Fox has a book that has over 500 logical reasoning questions in it, divided by question type and listed in order of difficulty. He also goes into detail about how to predict the answer and why each answer choice is right/wrong. Plus, he's the sassiest motherfucker alive and it will literally make studying logical reasoning enjoyable.

Hope this helps some!


Awesome, thanks a lot!! I will probably pick up that book, then. I totally forgot to add in that post that I was down to spend some money as long as I can get the questions ordered. Also, sassy authors are the best authors -- especially for the LSAT.

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby OldSpeedoGuy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:51 pm

ugatvandy wrote:
OldSpeedoGuy wrote:
creed wrote:when u spend all day doing politics and then tls is also doing politics.

and of all things, having an argument over whether bernie sanders, obviously not a communist, is a communist

here's a good way to see whether or not bernie sanders is a communist

look at literally any-- any-- of his 2016 proposals. not only are they not communist proposals, they're barely democratic socialist proposals. if you think he's a communist, you either don't understand his views, don't understand communism, or aren't operating in good faith. next!


Like I said, he toned it down when he ran as a Democrat.

Trump gets dragged (and rightly so) for pandering to white nationalists and Nazis, but Bernie spends his life carrying water for an ideology responsible for 100 million dead in the 20th century and people feel the need to run interference for him.


Just because something is the same in name does not mean it's the same in ideology or execution, theoretical or otherwise. Yes, Bernie identifies as a socialist, but it's in no way similar to the socialism of Castro and others of that nature.

Douchedick Drumpf on the other hand has views and comments that line up PERFECTLY with an ideology that has oppressed and murdered specific groups of people for hundreds of years, and there's no room for interpretation there. Socialism can be seen as many things by many people, but it's pretty fucking hard to spin white supremacy as anything other than white people who think they're better than other people just because they're white.

Let's not compare a racist rapist to a well-intentioned man.


Ah, at least he's well-intentioned. Never mind the hundred million corpses.

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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Barry grandpapy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:15 pm

Guys, I think we can go even further with the shitposting. I believe in you.

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Postby wmbuff » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:35 pm

Barry grandpapy wrote:Guys, I think we can go even further with the shitposting. I believe in you.


Hot take: UVA tops the DfJ law school rankings, with Duke in second and Michigan third. Admissions committees at traditional powers call poll "garbage".
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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby OldSpeedoGuy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:45 pm

Why are people not applying to the school(s) they selected in the poll?

I'm not applying to Stanford because I don't want to go across the country.



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