-11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

What did you get?

Poll ended at Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:19 am

180-178
10
7%
177-175
15
11%
174-172
18
13%
171-169
21
15%
168-166
23
17%
165-160
27
20%
159-155
13
9%
154-150
7
5%
<150
4
3%
 
Total votes: 138

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby sabraph » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:24 pm

creed wrote:Friendly reminder to all that these scores, even if they’re not exactly what you wanted, are great.

TLS can put you in a mindset that what matters is whether you go to Harvard or Columbia, or Gtown with $$$ or Cal, whether you get a 170 or a 169.

It’s not what’s really important.

What’s really important is whether you use the skills wherever you learn them to do good things for the world and help people. I’d rather know a 160 who helps people that need it than a 180 who shills for Exxon their entire life.

Great job everyone! And if you’re retaking, best of luck!


Yes this. Thank goodness I have friends irl to remind me of this. a 90th percentile score is incredible. Don't take that accomplishment for granted.

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby abujabal » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:33 pm

creed wrote:Friendly reminder to all that these scores, even if they’re not exactly what you wanted, are great.

TLS can put you in a mindset that what matters is whether you go to Harvard or Columbia, or Gtown with $$$ or Cal, whether you get a 170 or a 169.

It’s not what’s really important.

What’s really important is whether you use the skills wherever you learn them to do good things for the world and help people. I’d rather know a 160 who helps people that need it than a 180 who shills for Exxon their entire life.

Great job everyone! And if you’re retaking, best of luck!


+181

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby onecard » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:27 pm

Sooooo thankful 177! Third take, so don't be discouraged if you didn't get score you were looking for. FWIW I increase by 4 points from my first two tries and I think it was because I switched up my studying from lots of PT's to more section drilling. Also used the Fox books this time around (LG and LR), and got a hold of some old Cambridge books (LG and LR). I think the study changes helped a lot (also probably some good luck).

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Barry grandpapy » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:55 pm

I feel good about my score. I'm still retaking because I made some stupid mistakes in LR that pushed me below my PT average, and what's another 2 months?

Congratulations to everyone that got their goal score. If you missed It, I believe you'll be able to pick yourself up in time for December. I personally went up 12 points from my first test, and none of this came fast.

I'm glad I made a couple friends between this and the study thread. Thank you to every frequent poster on the study thread that routinely answered questions from posters seeking advice. We all worked hard and should at least feel good about that tonight.


[Sorry if this double posted, I thought I sent this earlier but my history says not]

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Platopus » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:59 pm

onecard wrote:Sooooo thankful 177! Third take, so don't be discouraged if you didn't get score you were looking for. FWIW I increase by 4 points from my first two tries and I think it was because I switched up my studying from lots of PT's to more section drilling. Also used the Fox books this time around (LG and LR), and got a hold of some old Cambridge books (LG and LR). I think the study changes helped a lot (also probably some good luck).


You retook a 173? Twice? Bold move, Cotton. Sounds like it paid off though, congrats!

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby wmbuff » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:23 pm

Barry grandpapy wrote:I feel good about my score. I'm still retaking because I made some stupid mistakes in LR that pushed me below my PT average, and what's another 2 months?

Congratulations to everyone that got their goal score. If you missed It, I believe you'll be able to pick yourself up in time for December. I personally went up 12 points from my first test, and none of this came fast.

I'm glad I made a couple friends between this and the study thread. Thank you to every frequent poster on the study thread that routinely answered questions from posters seeking advice. We all worked hard and should at least feel good about that tonight.


[Sorry if this double posted, I thought I sent this earlier but my history says not]


Glad you made it in! I was beginning to worry you were drinking away a rotten score in some gutter, but am quite glad to hear you saw a large improvement. I'll be rooting for you on your next rodeo, though I'm going on to the application phase (given the received wisdom about splitter cycle timing). You ran a fun waiters' thread.

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby pricon » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:24 pm

onecard wrote:Sooooo thankful 177! Third take, so don't be discouraged if you didn't get score you were looking for. FWIW I increase by 4 points from my first two tries and I think it was because I switched up my studying from lots of PT's to more section drilling. Also used the Fox books this time around (LG and LR), and got a hold of some old Cambridge books (LG and LR). I think the study changes helped a lot (also probably some good luck).


Sweeeet

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby onecard » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:37 pm

Platopus wrote:
onecard wrote:Sooooo thankful 177! Third take, so don't be discouraged if you didn't get score you were looking for. FWIW I increase by 4 points from my first two tries and I think it was because I switched up my studying from lots of PT's to more section drilling. Also used the Fox books this time around (LG and LR), and got a hold of some old Cambridge books (LG and LR). I think the study changes helped a lot (also probably some good luck).


You retook a 173? Twice? Bold move, Cotton. Sounds like it paid off though, congrats!



Yeah, I knew (thought) I could beat that 173. Was risky I know, thankful it turned out well. Very, very thankful I don't have to study for the LSAT again. Don't know if I had a fourth time in me.

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby UHB » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:24 am

Living in Germany means I missed all the excitement, but I woke up to a 171- three points above my PT average! I was hoping for a bit higher since I was scoring great the week before the test, but this works for me. I'm not going through hell twice.

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby CottonHarvest » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:40 am

If you can't decide on a retake, does that mean you probably should? Lol

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Mikey » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:57 am

onecard wrote:
Platopus wrote:
onecard wrote:Sooooo thankful 177! Third take, so don't be discouraged if you didn't get score you were looking for. FWIW I increase by 4 points from my first two tries and I think it was because I switched up my studying from lots of PT's to more section drilling. Also used the Fox books this time around (LG and LR), and got a hold of some old Cambridge books (LG and LR). I think the study changes helped a lot (also probably some good luck).


You retook a 173? Twice? Bold move, Cotton. Sounds like it paid off though, congrats!



Yeah, I knew (thought) I could beat that 173. Was risky I know, thankful it turned out well. Very, very thankful I don't have to study for the LSAT again. Don't know if I had a fourth time in me.

Can I have your 173?

Btw congrats!

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Tycho_Brohey » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:44 am

For science:

167
LR: -4
LG: -1 (no idea what I did here just yet)
RC: -7
LR: -3

From PTs those were pretty average results for me on my LR sections if not a bit better than average... probably more like -4/-5 usually. The -1 on games is dumb, but I'm not too hung up on it.

That -7 on RC is what ruined it for me.

I should be more happy with this, it sets me up well for T30/T20, but I'm bummed it ruins my T13 chances. Debating that retake in December to hope for money to T13. Anyone have recommendations for a LR/RC study method? Did bibles for September, but I'd like to get my LR down to -2 or less if I'm going to retake. RC seems like such a crap shoot. Good luck guys!

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby albanach » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:58 am

Tycho_Brohey wrote:I should be more happy with this, it sets me up well for T30/T20, but I'm bummed it ruins my T13 chances. Debating that retake in December to hope for money to T13. Anyone have recommendations for a LR/RC study method? Did bibles for September, but I'd like to get my LR down to -2 or less if I'm going to retake. RC seems like such a crap shoot. Good luck guys!


For me, RC was just a matter of more practice to improve speed and accuracy. If you've done the bibles, I don't think there's a magical technique.

Just focus on RC between now and December, but don't neglect LR and LG. Looks like you have potential to make decent gains in LR, grab that point in LG and break into the 170s.

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby hiscottie » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:06 am

Barry grandpapy wrote:I feel good about my score. I'm still retaking because I made some stupid mistakes in LR that pushed me below my PT average, and what's another 2 months?

Congratulations to everyone that got their goal score. If you missed It, I believe you'll be able to pick yourself up in time for December. I personally went up 12 points from my first test, and none of this came fast.

I'm glad I made a couple friends between this and the study thread. Thank you to every frequent poster on the study thread that routinely answered questions from posters seeking advice. We all worked hard and should at least feel good about that tonight.


[Sorry if this double posted, I thought I sent this earlier but my history says not]


Congratulations! What an incredible increase.

Do you mind sharing some insight on how you increased 12 points between your first and second official tests? Also, which tests were they (i.e. June and September)?

The September test was my first official LSAT. I was fairly confident going into it with PTs averaging at 162-165, but I felt very unlike myself on test day and almost dazed. Well, because of it, I scored a 157. I was expecting this based on how horribly it went on test day, so now my focus is 100% on making sure it doesn’t happen again.

I am wondering what I can do between now and December 2 to recoup 12 or more points like you. For LR, it’s mostly buttoned up and I am only missing 5-7 total for both sections (but bombed on test day with -8 per section). For LG, I thought I was strong, but couldn’t get to fourth game and missed 3 because of it. RC is my weakest section by faaar. Any thoughts?

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby CottonHarvest » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:28 am

My mean and median over 19 PTs was 174 with three 179s and one 178, but I only managed a 170 in September. I'm thinking I should retake, but I won't be able to study much leading up to the December test. I can't believe I tanked. -7 on RC. Only one of my 19 PTs was a 170.

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Mikey » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:33 am

CottonHarvest wrote:My mean and median over 19 PTs was 174 with three 179s and one 178, but I only managed a . I'm thinking I should retake, but I won't be able to study much leading up to the December test. I can't believe I tanked. Only one of my 19 PTs was a 170.

still an amazing score, congrats on that!

I'd say if you feel like you left a bunch of points on the table (which you did looking at your PT scores) then give yourself another shot in December. either way you can't go wrong, you already have a great score on your record!

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby CottonHarvest » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:20 am

Mikey wrote:
CottonHarvest wrote:My mean and median over 19 PTs was 174 with three 179s and one 178, but I only managed a . I'm thinking I should retake, but I won't be able to study much leading up to the December test. I can't believe I tanked. Only one of my 19 PTs was a 170.

still an amazing score, congrats on that!

I'd say if you feel like you left a bunch of points on the table (which you did looking at your PT scores) then give yourself another shot in December. either way you can't go wrong, you already have a great score on your record!

My GPA is above every school's 75%. I'm wondering how a late Oct/early Nov app with a 3.9X, 170 compares to a January app with a 3.9X, 171-174. Does app timing really matter that much?

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Cogburn1984 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:24 am

171

LR: -3
RC: -6 (Yikes)
LG: -1

Was hoping for a little bit better but am thoroughly satisfied. The retake was worth it!

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Mikey » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:26 am

CottonHarvest wrote:
Mikey wrote:
CottonHarvest wrote:My mean and median over 19 PTs was 174 with three 179s and one 178, but I only managed a . I'm thinking I should retake, but I won't be able to study much leading up to the December test. I can't believe I tanked. Only one of my 19 PTs was a 170.

still an amazing score, congrats on that!

I'd say if you feel like you left a bunch of points on the table (which you did looking at your PT scores) then give yourself another shot in December. either way you can't go wrong, you already have a great score on your record!

My GPA is above every school's 75%. I'm wondering how a late Oct/early Nov app with a 3.9X, 170 compares to a January app with a 3.9X, 171-174. Does app timing really matter that much?

Well, from what I know you can get really good offers applying in January with a December score. But of course, the earlier the better. I'm no expert with the whole timing aspect though, so many the other sub forums like What Are My Chances? or another one is better to get more info from this. But I know people apply before the December test and then use their dec score to get more scholarship money or actually get into a school they are still waiting on.

I know peeps who had December scores and ended up with great offers.. I think it kind of just depends where you apply as well.

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby das_Gesetz » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:42 am

CottonHarvest wrote:My mean and median over 19 PTs was 174 with three 179s and one 178, but I only managed a 170 in September. I'm thinking I should retake, but I won't be able to study much leading up to the December test. I can't believe I tanked. -7 on RC. Only one of my 19 PTs was a 170.


I had a very similar experience with the June exam. I had an avg of 173 on my previous 21 PTs, several of which were in 177-179, but nevertheless scored a 169 with -5 RC being the most devastating section. I decided not to study for September (in part because I had no recent exams left over, and also in part because I felt that good performance on PTs didn't actually mean anything). I scored 172 this September with -1 on RC and -3 on LG. Even while completing my practice tests, I found that I scored higher in RC whenever I took a break from it.

I strongly suspect that there's a point beyond which practicing reading comprehension offers not diminishing but negative returns. You become so accustomed to the format of the exam, that you begin to read the passages in a way you would not read ordinary academic literature and interpret the questions and the words employed in them in a less natural and intuitive manner. I think the opposite applies to logic games, where performance increases dramatically then plateaus with sustained practice, and diminishes without practice.

I guess the point of this is that burn out is a very real problem -- with RC, perhaps, more than any other section.

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Tycho_Brohey » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:56 pm

albanach wrote:For me, RC was just a matter of more practice to improve speed and accuracy. If you've done the bibles, I don't think there's a magical technique.

Just focus on RC between now and December, but don't neglect LR and LG. Looks like you have potential to make decent gains in LR, grab that point in LG and break into the 170s.


So you're suggesting pure drilling as study for December? I've seen lots of people suggest LSAT trainer, but section/test drilling is also something a lot of people seem to suggest. I just really want to get my LR sections to -2 or less each. You're probably right about RC, just need to find a groove there.

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Re: -11 Curve, Grey Day September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby bycron77 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:06 pm

onecard wrote:Sooooo thankful 177! Third take, so don't be discouraged if you didn't get score you were looking for. FWIW I increase by 4 points from my first two tries and I think it was because I switched up my studying from lots of PT's to more section drilling. Also used the Fox books this time around (LG and LR), and got a hold of some old Cambridge books (LG and LR). I think the study changes helped a lot (also probably some good luck).


I totally echo the approach of switching from full-length PTs to section drilling for the retake. Taking tons and tons of full-length PTs was, for me at least, among the most harmful bits of conventional wisdom out there. It leads to burnout plus less targeting of the specific question types and sections you need to work on in terms of speed and accuracy. I went from 155 in June to 164 in September using this change in approach. I was in a much more relaxed, positive mindset going into the September test. Even prior to June my best PT scores were 164 and 166, so I didn't necessarily get much better at the LSAT between tests. The big difference is that I was peaking at the right time for the second test, whereas I peaked 4-5 weeks prior to the first test and dropped from there. I took only three full-length PTs between June and September. Also, I recommend taking a full-length PT no later than maybe two weeks before the actual test. Under no circumstances would I advise taking one less than one week before the test. This is what worked for me, but I am not an ultra-high scorer and it may be different for others.

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby creed » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:37 pm

hello friends

I posted asking for some advice if any of you wonderful people have any thoughts

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby dm1683 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:19 pm

god reading through these last few pages is giving me traumatic flashbacks to june. I almost gnawed off my fingernails on grey day especially after I found out about the curve.

edit: awwww mikey I'm sorry you didn't get what you wanted :(

sending all of my totally platonic love

and congrats to everybody else.

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Re: -11 Curve, September 2017 Waiter's Thread

Postby Mikey » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:31 pm

dm1683 wrote:god reading through these last few pages is giving me traumatic flashbacks to june. I almost gnawed off my fingernails on grey day especially after I found out about the curve.

edit: awwww mikey I'm sorry you didn't get what you wanted :(

sending all of my totally platonic love

and congrats to everybody else.

:(

can you take the December test for me? thanks <3




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