Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

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Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby ltowns1 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:03 am

So I was made aware that LSAT restricted the type of watch you could use even further a few months ago. Could someone send me a link to an acceptable LSAT watch to use? Thanks.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby Mikey » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:23 am

You can use a regular analog watch, and I know that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is still allowed.

the mastermind watch and 180 watch are banned though

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby ltowns1 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:31 am

Mikey wrote:You can use a regular analog watch, and I know that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is still allowed.

the mastermind watch and 180 watch are banned though

Okay thanks

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:09 pm

Mikey wrote:You can use a regular analog watch, and I know that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is still allowed.

the mastermind watch and 180 watch are banned though


Do you have the terminology backing up this claim? because LSAC's ruling has led me to believe that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is technically banned.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:11 pm

ltowns1 wrote:So I was made aware that LSAT restricted the type of watch you could use even further a few months ago. Could someone send me a link to an acceptable LSAT watch to use? Thanks.


The new rule adds that stop watches are no longer allowed, especially those with start-stop-reset functionality. The closest thing you may get to that functionality now is only indirect, by use of a numbered bezel, such as shown here: https://www.breitlingreplicauk.co.uk/wp ... Online.jpg.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby Mikey » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:42 pm

pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:You can use a regular analog watch, and I know that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is still allowed.

the mastermind watch and 180 watch are banned though


Do you have the terminology backing up this claim? because LSAC's ruling has led me to believe that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is technically banned.

Several individuals on 7sage contacted Lsac and each of them said that Lsac told them the MM and 180 watch are banned because they are like a stop watch (hence chronograph watches being banned) and that the perfect score one is fine because it isn't like a stopwatch and has a bezel thing to spin unlike the other watches that you press buttons to start and restart.

If you don't believe it then just call them up and ask them, I'm sure they'll be clear about it even though they're morons for this ban

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:49 pm

Mikey wrote:
pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:You can use a regular analog watch, and I know that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is still allowed.

the mastermind watch and 180 watch are banned though


Do you have the terminology backing up this claim? because LSAC's ruling has led me to believe that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is technically banned.

Several individuals on 7sage contacted Lsac and each of them said that Lsac told them the MM and 180 watch are banned because they are like a stop watch (hence chronograph watches being banned) and that the perfect score one is fine because it isn't like a stopwatch and has a bezel thing to spin unlike the other watches that you press buttons to start and restart.

If you don't believe it then just call them up and ask them, I'm sure they'll be clear about it even though they're morons for this ban


There is no numerical bezel on the Perfect Score Watch: https://www.perfectscorewatch.com. It is banned.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby somebodyelse » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:54 pm

pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:
pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:You can use a regular analog watch, and I know that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is still allowed.

the mastermind watch and 180 watch are banned though


Do you have the terminology backing up this claim? because LSAC's ruling has led me to believe that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is technically banned.

Several individuals on 7sage contacted Lsac and each of them said that Lsac told them the MM and 180 watch are banned because they are like a stop watch (hence chronograph watches being banned) and that the perfect score one is fine because it isn't like a stopwatch and has a bezel thing to spin unlike the other watches that you press buttons to start and restart.

If you don't believe it then just call them up and ask them, I'm sure they'll be clear about it even though they're morons for this ban


There is no numerical bezel on the Perfect Score Watch: https://www.perfectscorewatch.com. It is banned.


It is not banned. Chronographs are banned, and the Perfect Score Watch is not a chronograph. It's just a normal watch with a different dial. Still a waste of money, but you can buy it and use it.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:57 pm

somebodyelse wrote:
pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:
pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:You can use a regular analog watch, and I know that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is still allowed.

the mastermind watch and 180 watch are banned though


Do you have the terminology backing up this claim? because LSAC's ruling has led me to believe that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is technically banned.

Several individuals on 7sage contacted Lsac and each of them said that Lsac told them the MM and 180 watch are banned because they are like a stop watch (hence chronograph watches being banned) and that the perfect score one is fine because it isn't like a stopwatch and has a bezel thing to spin unlike the other watches that you press buttons to start and restart.

If you don't believe it then just call them up and ask them, I'm sure they'll be clear about it even though they're morons for this ban


There is no numerical bezel on the Perfect Score Watch: https://www.perfectscorewatch.com. It is banned.


It is not banned. Chronographs are banned, and the Perfect Score Watch is not a chronograph. It's just a normal watch with a different dial. Still a waste of money, but you can buy it and use it.


Then neither is the Mastermind nor is the LSAT 180 watch banned.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:03 pm

LSAC is closed from now until Tuesday. I'm calling them Tuesday.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby somebodyelse » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:04 pm

pricon wrote:
somebodyelse wrote:
pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:
pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:You can use a regular analog watch, and I know that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is still allowed.

the mastermind watch and 180 watch are banned though


Do you have the terminology backing up this claim? because LSAC's ruling has led me to believe that the Perfect Score LSAT watch is technically banned.

Several individuals on 7sage contacted Lsac and each of them said that Lsac told them the MM and 180 watch are banned because they are like a stop watch (hence chronograph watches being banned) and that the perfect score one is fine because it isn't like a stopwatch and has a bezel thing to spin unlike the other watches that you press buttons to start and restart.

If you don't believe it then just call them up and ask them, I'm sure they'll be clear about it even though they're morons for this ban


There is no numerical bezel on the Perfect Score Watch: https://www.perfectscorewatch.com. It is banned.


It is not banned. Chronographs are banned, and the Perfect Score Watch is not a chronograph. It's just a normal watch with a different dial. Still a waste of money, but you can buy it and use it.


Then neither is the Mastermind nor is the LSAT 180 watch banned.


https://mastermindwatch.com/
http://180watch.com/

See the buttons on the side? Those are chronograph buttons (stop/start, reset).

https://www.perfectscorewatch.com/

You can see how the Perfect Score Watch is different, without those buttons. It just has the crown that you pull out to change the time (or, in this case, move the minute hand back to "35").

https://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/day-of-test

Test takers may have ONLY the following items on the desktop:
tissues
valid ID
LSAT Admission Ticket
No. 2 or HB wooden pencils
eraser
pencil sharpener
highlighter
analog (nondigital) wristwatch


You MAY NOT bring into the test center or use any of the following:
electronic timers of any kind
electronic cigarettes
fitness tracking devices
digital watches, alarm watches, beeping watches, calculator watches, chronograph watches (digital or nondigital)

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby ltowns1 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:06 pm

So something like this would be acceptable??? https://www.amazon.com/Casio-MQ24-7B2-A ... 2661612011

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby somebodyelse » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:07 pm

ltowns1 wrote:So something like this would be acceptable??? https://www.amazon.com/Casio-MQ24-7B2-A ... 2661612011


Definitely.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:10 pm

First of all, there is no such thing as a "chronograph button." There are chronograph watches, and there are buttons.

While you clearly can see a distinction in the three watches you link to, between the first two and the third, this is not a representative sample of chronographic watches, which are specifically what are banned, according to LSAC terminology. In other words, there is nothing more or less "chronographic" between your three examples simply because of the one-button design and the three-button designs.

By definition, a chronograph is a combination of a standard watch and a stop watch. And by no means does a stop watch stop being a stop watch because its start-stop-reset functionality is wound up via knob-turning with a single button, as opposed to being implemented via multiple buttons.

"Mechanical [i.e., analog, as opposed to the explicitly banned 'electronic'] stopwatches are powered by a mainspring, which must be periodically wound up by turning the knurled knob at the top of the watch." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopwatch)

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:16 pm

ltowns1 wrote:So something like this would be acceptable??? https://www.amazon.com/Casio-MQ24-7B2-A ... 2661612011


Yes, without a doubt.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:17 pm

My point is, somebodyelse, that the definition we need is not descriptive, it is prescriptive, and only LSAC will know the answer.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby somebodyelse » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:25 pm

pricon wrote:First of all, there is no such thing as a "chronograph button." There are chronograph watches, and there are buttons. While you clearly can see a distinction in the three watches you link to, between the first two and the third, this is not a representative sample of chronographic watches, which are specifically what are banned, according to LSAC terminology. In other words, there is nothing more or less "chronographic" between your three examples simply because of the one-button design and the three-button designs.

By definition, a chronograph is a combination of a standard watch and a stop watch. And by no means does a stop watch stop being a stop watch because its start-stop-reset functionality is wound up via knob-turning with a single button, as opposed to being accessed via multiple buttons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopwatch.


Sure there are chronograph buttons, those would be the buttons on a chronograph watch (start/stop, reset). If you want to be dense enough that you want me to call them "buttons on a chronograph watch," whatever.

You're certainly incorrect here though - the first two watches definitely use a chronograph movement to power their watches. You press a button, it starts, you press it again, it stops. You press the other button, it resets.

By definition (that you graciously provided), the Perfect Score Watch is certainly not a chronograph. It has start/stop functionality, sure, same as any other watch as you pull out and push in the crown. It does not reset, however, and you need to turn the crown to bring it back to the 12:00/35 min position for each section.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:31 pm

Yeah, I'm talking right past you. What was your undergrad in?

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby Mikey » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:39 pm

pricon wrote:


E: just saw that you are gonna call them Tuesday. Great. Jfc

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby Mikey » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:46 pm

And there's no need to ask what their UG degree was in, that's completely irrelevant. No need to try and start shit like that wtf

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby pricon » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:49 pm

Mikey wrote:And there's no need to ask what their UG degree was in, that's completely irrelevant. No need to try and start shit like that wtf


Hm, so one focuses on a particular discipline for four years and that is irrelevant? As in I'd just as likely ask for kinetics advice from a social worker as a biochemistry major? Come on, man. Though I'll concede the issue here is mostly linguistic, it's mechanical in subject and that isn't to the guy's benefit.
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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby somebodyelse » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:51 pm

pricon wrote:Yeah, I'm talking right past you. What was your undergrad in?


I don't think this is too hard to grasp but (again), the first two watches are chronographs, so they are banned. This is clear from the way that they function.

The last one isn't a chronograph, isn't in any other category defined by lsat as being banned, and in fact is a analog wristwatch, which is specifically allowed. Watch their video and you'll clearly see it doesn't have any chronograph functions.

Not sure why my undergrad degree is relevant.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby somebodyelse » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:52 pm

pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:And there's no need to ask what their UG degree was in, that's completely irrelevant. No need to try and start shit like that wtf


Hm, so one focuses on a particular discipline for four years and that is irrelevant? As in I'd just as likely ask for kinetics advice from a social worker as a biochemistry major? Come on, man.


This isn't biochem, it's just reading comprehension.

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby Mikey » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:54 pm

pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:And there's no need to ask what their UG degree was in, that's completely irrelevant. No need to try and start shit like that wtf


Hm, so one focuses on a particular discipline for four years and that is irrelevant? As in I'd just as likely ask for kinetics advice from a social worker and personal finance advice from a creative writing major? Come on, man.

It is not irrelevant in general, but it is irrelevant for the situation.

You're talking about a watch, what was the point of asking him/her about their UG background?? Idk. If their major was in watch studies then I apologize. :mrgreen:

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Re: Permissible LSAT Watches to Use

Postby somebodyelse » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:55 pm

Mikey wrote:
pricon wrote:
Mikey wrote:And there's no need to ask what their UG degree was in, that's completely irrelevant. No need to try and start shit like that wtf


Hm, so one focuses on a particular discipline for four years and that is irrelevant? As in I'd just as likely ask for kinetics advice from a social worker and personal finance advice from a creative writing major? Come on, man.

It is not irrelevant in general, but it is irrelevant for the situation.

You're talking about a watch, what was the point of asking him/her about their UG background?? Idk. If their major was in watch studies then I apologize. :mrgreen:


I wish my major was watch studies.




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