The Official December 2017 Study Group

Prepare for the LSAT or discuss it with others in this forum.

We all want a 180. What's the lowest score you'll take?

Sub 160
4
4%
160-163
12
11%
164-167
26
23%
167-169
18
16%
170
13
11%
171-172
12
11%
172-174
9
8%
175
8
7%
176-179
5
4%
180
7
6%
 
Total votes: 114

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby King of the North » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:09 pm

GnarMarBinx wrote:
GnarMarBinx wrote:
King of the North wrote:What’s everyone’s study music of choice? Maybe that could be the next poll lol.


MILES DAVIS BABYYYYY!!!!!

But, yeah. Jazz. And lots of it. I also occasionally like to listen to hip-hop during more math-like work such as logic games (untimed). I never listen to music during timed sections or during reading comp, but do a lot while drilling LR question types and games. Also listen to it basically 100% of the time I'm doing actual school work/writing essays, etc. Honestly, sometimes I even whip on some mumble rap or metal and go ham while pumping out school work. It's great.
Edit: I also listen to a lot of indie/alternative rock and stuff. Used to play in an alt-rock/indie band so it will always have a place in my heart


Lmao. Solid. Jazz is great. I also like listening to piano (yes, I know, it’s cheesy study music). If not then I just throw my entire music library on Spotify on shuffle and get a bit of everything in there.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby PrezRand » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:28 pm

Terrible at assumption questions :(

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby King of the North » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:48 pm

PrezRand wrote:Terrible at assumption questions :(


Same :|

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Tavorak » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:00 pm

Finally took my first PT (73) since September yesterday. I took the test for prep three months ago but only reviewed a couple LR questions and the games. Nine points higher than my September score and five higher than when I took it last but man did getting up that early suck.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby PrezRand » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:10 pm

I just wanna hit the 166-168 range :(

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Tavorak » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:09 pm

PrezRand wrote:I just wanna hit the 166-168 range :(

What's your average score breakdown by section?

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby PrezRand » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:34 pm

Tavorak wrote:
PrezRand wrote:I just wanna hit the 166-168 range :(

What's your average score breakdown by section?

-1 on LG
-7 on LR
-4 on RC





Side-note: Got a bit better on assumptions today :D

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Rupert Pupkin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:18 am

Do you guys use anything for RC explanations?

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby sodomojo » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:47 am

I've literally been flipflopping back and forth between 169s and 176s for my last like 10 PTs - really odd, they were all from similarly old exams too.

My PT average before September was in the high 160s, but it was a very consistent high 160s - since September my average has risen to the low 170s, but I've become horribly inconsistent. Has anyone else experienced this as a side effect of increasing their average score?

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Tavorak » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:01 pm

Rupert Pupkin wrote:Do you guys use anything for RC explanations?

I use the Manhattan RC forums

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Tavorak » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:06 pm

sodomojo wrote:I've literally been flipflopping back and forth between 169s and 176s for my last like 10 PTs - really odd, they were all from similarly old exams too.

My PT average before September was in the high 160s, but it was a very consistent high 160s - since September my average has risen to the low 170s, but I've become horribly inconsistent. Has anyone else experienced this as a side effect of increasing their average score?

Once you get into the 170s it can vary a lot (at least mine does). Typically 1 question = 1 point in that range, but it depends on the curve. You can miss 7 on one test and get a 173, and you can miss 4 on another test and get a 179.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby urmlaw17 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:07 pm

Just took PT 70 Section 3 Logic Games.

I got -2 because I ran out of time!

It's the first game I do since June.

I feel confident that next time I will be able to get -0.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Rupert Pupkin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:07 pm

Tavorak wrote:
Rupert Pupkin wrote:Do you guys use anything for RC explanations?

I use the Manhattan RC forums


Wow this is great. I am an idiot for not checking this out especially since I use Manhattan for LR. Idk why I just didnt think they had full RC explanations.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby littlewing67 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:09 pm

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby lemon_lyman » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:48 pm

Tavorak wrote:
sodomojo wrote:I've literally been flipflopping back and forth between 169s and 176s for my last like 10 PTs - really odd, they were all from similarly old exams too.

My PT average before September was in the high 160s, but it was a very consistent high 160s - since September my average has risen to the low 170s, but I've become horribly inconsistent. Has anyone else experienced this as a side effect of increasing their average score?

Once you get into the 170s it can vary a lot (at least mine does). Typically 1 question = 1 point in that range, but it depends on the curve. You can miss 7 on one test and get a 173, and you can miss 4 on another test and get a 179.



I had the same thing happen to me. Before I took the LSAT in June, I was scoring consistently in the high 160s and rarely in the low-170s. My average has now increased to the 172-173 range, but at times, I randomly get the 166, which honestly really scares me. Glad to hear I'm not the only one.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Mikey » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:30 pm

littlewing67 wrote:I'm debating if I should put in some apps now to schools I can get into with my current score, and hope that I get at least a 168 in Dec and apply to the rest of the schools I'm interested in, in Jan. OR just wait altogether for Jan. and see if Dec. score is good at least 168 and then apply, or if the outcome is bad wait for June and delay applying? I've already waited out the last cycle and I'm kind of getting over this whole application process TBH.

I'm gonna apply with my stats rn, probably to just some safety schools including Fordham but waiting for my December score for the t13

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby littlewing67 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:38 pm

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby saffles » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:50 pm

Here's hoping we all do exceptionally well! (at least 165, please :o )

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Mikey » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:56 pm

littlewing67 wrote:
Mikey wrote:
littlewing67 wrote:I'm debating if I should put in some apps now to schools I can get into with my current score, and hope that I get at least a 168 in Dec and apply to the rest of the schools I'm interested in, in Jan. OR just wait altogether for Jan. and see if Dec. score is good at least 168 and then apply, or if the outcome is bad wait for June and delay applying? I've already waited out the last cycle and I'm kind of getting over this whole application process TBH.

I'm gonna apply with my stats rn, probably to just some safety schools including Fordham but waiting for my December score for the t13


Me currently

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But the only schools I would actually consider going to are Boston College & Irvine. Going to apply to BC, Irvine, William & Mary, and UNC. But TBH I'd rather go to GULC/Cornell at the least.

December you better pull through for me :evil:

I mean, depending on goals honestly, I think going to a non-t14 is fine. I think I asked before but don't remember, you're not applying to Fordham?

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby littlewing67 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:05 pm

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Mikey » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:19 pm

littlewing67 wrote:
Mikey wrote:I mean, depending on goals honestly, I think going to a non-t14 is fine. I think I asked before but don't remember, you're not applying to Fordham?


No my parents would want me to live with them and I'd rather KMS lol

Oh haha I feel ya. Only good thing about that would be saving on cost of living assuming they don't charge you for rent lol.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Rupert Pupkin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:24 pm

Mikey wrote:
littlewing67 wrote:
Mikey wrote:I mean, depending on goals honestly, I think going to a non-t14 is fine. I think I asked before but don't remember, you're not applying to Fordham?


No my parents would want me to live with them and I'd rather KMS lol

Oh haha I feel ya. Only good thing about that would be saving on cost of living assuming they don't charge you for rent lol.


I heard that Fordham has great reputation with BL firms in the city too. Def worth checking out imo if not T14.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Tavorak » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:34 pm

Anybody got a good technique for NA questions? I'm solid at bridging the logical gaps but when the answer shields the argument I tend to struggle. Maybe I just need to get better / more consistent at negating answers.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby saffles » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:45 am

Tavorak wrote:Anybody got a good technique for NA questions? I'm solid at bridging the logical gaps but when the answer shields the argument I tend to struggle. Maybe I just need to get better / more consistent at negating answers.


Have you tried Manhattan Prep LR book? That pretty much did it for me. My issue was that I would first try to negate every answer choice (looking back on it now, that was so stupid). Now I just treat it like how I would treat a SA question: by coming up with a few assumptions before looking at the answer choices. Then I eliminate any out of scope questions, questions that reversely represent the assumption you had in your mind, etc. I'm left with two possible answer choices and I try to negate both and usually end up picking the right one. Just remember that in contrast to a SA question, the NA only has to deal with at least part of the premise, resulting in the author's conclusion (SA must solve for all). When stuck between two likely answer choices, go for the one that isn't doing the most but is the bare minimum of what must be assumed for the author's argument to hold true. This is what Manhattan Prep taught me and since then I've gotten every NA question that's level three or higher difficulty correct, so I think if you can, definitely check it out.

Sorry if I went off on a tangent. Hope this helps.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby etramak » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:20 am

When is PT82 coming out?



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