The Official December 2017 Study Group

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We all want a 180. What's the lowest score you'll take?

Sub 160
5
4%
160-163
12
10%
164-167
26
23%
167-169
18
16%
170
13
11%
171-172
12
10%
172-174
9
8%
175
8
7%
176-179
5
4%
180
7
6%
 
Total votes: 115

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Experiment626 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:20 pm

King of the North wrote:
Experiment626 wrote:
King of the North wrote:
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King of the North wrote:Well gang, I’m most likely not taking it in December anymore.


What happened?


I’ve taken like 7 PTs and all have been 157 or 156. And I just don’t see myself scoring in the mid or high 160s by December.


That's plenty of time to make that kind of jump.


10 points? In less than 3 weeks?




It's possible, depending on what your stats are. I went up from mid 150's to mid 160's in a week after I figured out an issue on a high chance question type.

What's your breakdown?


Well that’s the problem. My breakdown. It varies. On LG I went -4 and -3, respectively, on back to back PTs. Yesterday was -8. LR and RC is around -9. Yesterday I went -6 on one LR and -10 on the other. It’s the inconsistency that ruins my score. I should’ve broken into the 160s two tests ago but I ruined that by performing poorly on LG.


So, are you able to catch the issues via BR without time? In LR, is there a consistent question type that you're missing? For me it was flaws and weaken which are somewhat related. Once I figured out what I was doing wrong, both went up.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby King of the North » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:39 pm

Yeah. On BR I do much better. I don’t get a perfect score on BR. But I get a significantly higher number of questions correct.
In LR, the 4 I’m having the most trouble with are SA, NA, strengthen and weaken. And flaw is close up there as well.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby AvatarMeelo » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:15 pm

Is it just me or are stims frequently recycled in PTs 1-40?

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby peege » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:53 pm

AvatarMeelo wrote:Is it just me or are stims frequently recycled in PTs 1-40?


Yes!!! So many questions about cholesterol, every time I see one I think I've seen it before but I actually haven't.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby AvatarMeelo » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:38 pm

peege wrote:
AvatarMeelo wrote:Is it just me or are stims frequently recycled in PTs 1-40?


Yes!!! So many questions about cholesterol, every time I see one I think I've seen it before but I actually haven't.


I did a question about Marianne the chess player for a Weaken drill and then the exact same stim shows up for a principle support question. I guess it’s good exercise for the brain to approach questions different ways!

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Rupert Pupkin » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:07 pm

AvatarMeelo wrote:Is it just me or are stims frequently recycled in PTs 1-40?


Yes, and topics are definitely overused as well i.e. healthy fat diet, cholesterol levels, risk of heart disease (Just the first one that comes to mind).

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Rupert Pupkin » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:10 pm

Finished all of the LR - Assumption Family components in the Trainer and MH LR today. Remembered so many little intricate things about LR and RC(when i re-read those chapters last week) that i had forgotten to keep in mind during my approach.

For those who have been prepping for a while, i definitely recommend revisiting fundamentals regardless (even strengths).. its helping me focus in on recognizing patterns and performing flawlessly !!!

@Littlewing- glad I talked to you about doing this! I felt like I was forgetting some core components to my approach and dropping my systems to "just answer the question"

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Postby dietcoked » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:27 pm

Rupert Pupkin wrote:Finished all of the LR - Assumption Family components in the Trainer and MH LR today. Remembered so many little intricate things about LR and RC(when i re-read those chapters last week) that i had forgotten to keep in mind during my approach.

For those who have been prepping for a while, i definitely recommend revisiting fundamentals regardless (even strengths).. its helping me focus in on recognizing patterns and performing flawlessly !!!

@Littlewing- glad I talked to you about doing this! I felt like I was forgetting some core components to my approach and dropping my systems to "just answer the question"


What intricate little things are you referring to?

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Mikey » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:53 pm

PT tomorrow. Sunday's are always my day off from this dumb ass test. I'm ready to destroy this test in a month (a little less but ya)!

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby kiklavan » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:34 pm

How often do you guys take day long breaks?

Asking because I took this weekend off and I’d love to feel less guilty :oops:

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Mikey » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:38 pm

kiklavan wrote:How often do you guys take day long breaks?

Asking because I took this weekend off and I’d love to feel less guilty :oops:

It's good to take breaks to avoid burn out, so don't feel guilty at all! 1 or 2 full days a week is fine

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby littlewing67 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:39 pm

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby kiklavan » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:51 pm

Mikey wrote:
kiklavan wrote:How often do you guys take day long breaks?

Asking because I took this weekend off and I’d love to feel less guilty :oops:

It's good to take breaks to avoid burn out, so don't feel guilty at all! 1 or 2 full days a week is fine


Haha thanks.
Forever trying to find the balance between not getting burnt out and not slacking

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby kiklavan » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:53 pm

littlewing67 wrote:Also someone remind me to stop drinking between now and test day. These hangovers are really messing with my study schedule :roll:


Lmao. I can relate to this way too well. NO MORE DRINKING

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Barry grandpapy » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:31 pm

littlewing67 wrote:Also someone remind me to stop drinking between now and test day. These hangovers are really messing with my study schedule :roll:



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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby littlewing67 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:47 pm

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby daniellenovel » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:49 pm

Is it possible to go from a 144 to a 165 in the next 3 weeks. I had a really bad test day in September but I am trying to see how possible it is to get to 165 in 3 weeks. I will try to study 25+ hours a week.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby peege » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:11 am

daniellenovel wrote:Is it possible to go from a 144 to a 165 in the next 3 weeks. I had a really bad test day in September but I am trying to see how possible it is to get to 165 in 3 weeks. I will try to study 25+ hours a week.


Maybe not a 165 but you can certainly do better than a 144. Logic games are the easiest to improve on, but I think are also the easiest section to psych yourself out on test day. Spend a lot of time practicing logic games, because even if you miss a few questions I'm sure your score will improve at least a few points. It takes a while to become comfortable making inferences. There are games where when I first started would take me 20 minutes, but now I fly through them. I'd also suggest purchasing the 10-week study schedule from lawschooli.com. They have some really good LR drills with the question types already organized, so after I did that it was so much easier to see my weaknesses. You can probably get through all of those drills in a week if you really put in the time.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Experiment626 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:36 am

peege wrote:
daniellenovel wrote:Is it possible to go from a 144 to a 165 in the next 3 weeks. I had a really bad test day in September but I am trying to see how possible it is to get to 165 in 3 weeks. I will try to study 25+ hours a week.


Maybe not a 165 but you can certainly do better than a 144. Logic games are the easiest to improve on, but I think are also the easiest section to psych yourself out on test day. Spend a lot of time practicing logic games, because even if you miss a few questions I'm sure your score will improve at least a few points. It takes a while to become comfortable making inferences. There are games where when I first started would take me 20 minutes, but now I fly through them. I'd also suggest purchasing the 10-week study schedule from lawschooli.com. They have some really good LR drills with the question types already organized, so after I did that it was so much easier to see my weaknesses. You can probably get through all of those drills in a week if you really put in the time.



Yea, this doesn't sound doable unless you were averaging in the high 150's/low 160's on your practice tests and just bombed on test day. That's a different story.

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Rupert Pupkin » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:34 pm

littlewing67 wrote:
kiklavan wrote:
littlewing67 wrote:Also someone remind me to stop drinking between now and test day. These hangovers are really messing with my study schedule :roll:


Lmao. I can relate to this way too well. NO MORE DRINKING


Let's start a sobriety pact

Barry grandpapy wrote:


Basically this :lol:


haha this is great! I havent stopped drinking entirely just not going out.. Last night i took the evening off and spent some time with family over a few drinks. It was long needed. But I look forward to resuming normal social life after Crushing this test!!

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Rupert Pupkin » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:35 pm

littlewing67 wrote:
Rupert Pupkin wrote:Finished all of the LR - Assumption Family components in the Trainer and MH LR today. Remembered so many little intricate things about LR and RC(when i re-read those chapters last week) that i had forgotten to keep in mind during my approach.

For those who have been prepping for a while, i definitely recommend revisiting fundamentals regardless (even strengths).. its helping me focus in on recognizing patterns and performing flawlessly !!!

@Littlewing- glad I talked to you about doing this! I felt like I was forgetting some core components to my approach and dropping my systems to "just answer the question"


Yes! Nice 8) I might skip my PT tomorrow and try to finish up the Manhattan LR book by next week instead.


Yeah i did this yesterday. After being sick, I only took 1 last week but got a lot of review and new practice in so im just going to keep that up today and do some sections and then tomorrow take my PT on schedule. Im doing PTs Tues/Thurs/Sat just because Weds is a tough morning for me to get one in. And its evenly spread out lol

dietcoked wrote:What intricate little things are you referring to?


Just little things with your approach. Hard to articulate. But for one, not comparing ACs against each other ever, now ive gotten really good with NA and the negation test (just making sure i do it the right way), sometimes in a tricky stim choosing an answer that refers to the right part of the argument. But ultimately, just reinforcing everything i already knew just because i have done it a ton it is truly becoming second nature. as far as patterns, just patterns with wrong answer choices and then in RC the various structures that are available, and looking at LR or RC passages from and overview where its all about strucutre and setup and not about just a question with information in front of me (if that makes sense)

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Mikey » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:08 pm

oh man, I got slaughtered by PT 67 today. didn't score it, but I can just feel it

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby MercW07 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:14 pm

Mikey wrote:oh man, I got slaughtered by PT 67 today. didn't score it, but I can just feel it


Got slaughtered by 72 this morning. It was so bad that about half way through the test I threw in the towel. Graded what I did finish hoping that my fears were unwarranted and yeah I did terribly. I just want this whole thing to be over with at this point!

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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group

Postby Mikey » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:16 pm

MercW07 wrote:
Mikey wrote:oh man, I got slaughtered by PT 67 today. didn't score it, but I can just feel it


Got slaughtered by 72 this morning. It was so bad that about half way through the test I threw in the towel. Graded what I did finish hoping that my fears were unwarranted and yeah I did terribly. I just want this whole thing to be over with at this point!

I found LG to be pretty tough on 67, and took it as the third section and I feel like I got so annoyed and didn't have a clear head for 4th section LR :(



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