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1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Ufgirl » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:18 pm

Just took a practice exam which was the actual December 2016 LSAT Exam with timed proctor. I didn't know what it was about, the time, sections or basically anything about the test. I didn't have access to time besides for proctor warning and missed quite a few questions. The first two sections were my worst.
1. LR - 9 correct
2. RC - 9 correct
3. LG - 13 correct
4. LR - 17 correct
My LSAT was 146
I definitely found myself trying to work faster in 3&4 but still missed a couple in 3. I think mastering time is the key to the exam. I didn't have a good understanding of time management and I look forward to my next PT.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby TheNextElleWoods » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:35 pm

If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby MediocreAtBest » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:59 pm

Don't put too much stock into your diagnostic score. It means nothing. I do recommend not taking more PTs yet until you've gotten some solid studying under your belt. There's a finite number of PTs and you don't want to burn through them so early in the process.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Jack_Kelly » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:03 pm

TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Platopus » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:06 pm

A 146 is a solid enough score for having taken the test dead cold. I would recommend purchasing the Powerscore LR and LG Bibles and working your way through them. Don't worry about "improving your score". Instead, focus on reading and understanding the books and what the test is all about. There's definitely a lot to learn, so take it slow and really absorb the information. The score improvement will come.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby TheNextElleWoods » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:30 pm

Jack_Kelly wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.


It's the beginning of tier 3. Technically tier 1 is #1 - #50 and tier 2 is #50 - #100. Schools that are ranked #80 - #100 have very low 150s and some even extend to 148-149 as a low LSAT. You could get into a tier 2 if you have a great GPA possibly. It's not impossible.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby mellew » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:34 pm

I got a 148 on my first cold practice. Real-time, simulated environment. Studied for three months, going through problem areas in-depth and taking five more practice exams simulated without scoring them. Made a 163 and got into a tier 1. Just study and don't put too much stress on yourself about a diagnostic first round! And you're right: time management is key. Simulate the test environment as much as possible. Get comfortable with it.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Ufgirl » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:22 pm

TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?


I am going to take the Blackstone Prep Course, they administer only actual LSAT EXAMS. I wanted to take it cold just to get a bottom starting point.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Pneumonia » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:32 pm

Ufgirl wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?


I am going to take the Blackstone Prep Course, they administer only actual LSAT EXAMS. I wanted to take it cold just to get a bottom starting point.

You can buy all of the old exams online. If you're going to pay for a course, I'd stick with one of the more well-known providers; every LSAT-prep company uses actual exams.

146 is just fine for your first diagnostic. No reason you can't boost by at least 20 or 25 points with good study.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:48 am

TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.


It's the beginning of tier 3. Technically tier 1 is #1 - #50 and tier 2 is #50 - #100. Schools that are ranked #80 - #100 have very low 150s and some even extend to 148-149 as a low LSAT. You could get into a tier 2 if you have a great GPA possibly. It's not impossible.


Even if this is true OP should be aiming much higher (he can definitely end up 160s/170s after serious prep) because none of those schools are worth going to.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby TheNextElleWoods » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:09 am

Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.


It's the beginning of tier 3. Technically tier 1 is #1 - #50 and tier 2 is #50 - #100. Schools that are ranked #80 - #100 have very low 150s and some even extend to 148-149 as a low LSAT. You could get into a tier 2 if you have a great GPA possibly. It's not impossible.


Even if this is true OP should be aiming much higher (he can definitely end up 160s/170s after serious prep) because none of those schools are worth going to.


What schools aren't worth going to?

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby it's allgood » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:47 am

TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.


It's the beginning of tier 3. Technically tier 1 is #1 - #50 and tier 2 is #50 - #100. Schools that are ranked #80 - #100 have very low 150s and some even extend to 148-149 as a low LSAT. You could get into a tier 2 if you have a great GPA possibly. It's not impossible.


Even if this is true OP should be aiming much higher (he can definitely end up 160s/170s after serious prep) because none of those schools are worth going to.


What schools aren't worth going to?


It depends on your career goals and where you want to work geographically. But generally, any school that you have to pay sticker at & any school with bad employment numbers is a no. Anything lower than Tier 1 is a no. Anything below T20 (meaning 21-50) should be seriously cautioned--make sure you have a full ride and your employment goals (including the region you want to work) are in line with the schools employment stats.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby TheNextElleWoods » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:43 pm

it's allgood wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.


It's the beginning of tier 3. Technically tier 1 is #1 - #50 and tier 2 is #50 - #100. Schools that are ranked #80 - #100 have very low 150s and some even extend to 148-149 as a low LSAT. You could get into a tier 2 if you have a great GPA possibly. It's not impossible.


Even if this is true OP should be aiming much higher (he can definitely end up 160s/170s after serious prep) because none of those schools are worth going to.


What schools aren't worth going to?


It depends on your career goals and where you want to work geographically. But generally, any school that you have to pay sticker at & any school with bad employment numbers is a no. Anything lower than Tier 1 is a no. Anything below T20 (meaning 21-50) should be seriously cautioned--make sure you have a full ride and your employment goals (including the region you want to work) are in line with the schools employment stats.


If you are saying that tier 2 schools aren't good schools, you are seriously wrong. When it comes to picking a law school, besides looking at your LSAT and GPA, you need to understand the difference between regional and national. If you can get into a national, then that's where you should go (If you can afford it). If not, you should pick a regional school where you would be okay living and working. Not everyone is going to get a "full ride" and there are tier 2 schools that are more expensive than tier 1. Nothing is wrong with going to a tier 2 law school. I know plenty of lawyers who went to #50-#75 who have the same jobs as someone who went to a tier 1 school (#20-#30) and had similar grades. Going to a better school doesn't make you a better lawyer. It depends on the work and effort you put into it. I wouldn't discourage anyone from looking at certain tier 2 schools because they definitely can excel as a fantastic lawyer whether they get into a tier 1 or tier 2.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby carsondalywashere » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:51 pm

Started at 146 and ended up with a 169.

I'd caution against rushing into sitting for September though

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby saf18hornet » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:55 am

TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.


It's the beginning of tier 3. Technically tier 1 is #1 - #50 and tier 2 is #50 - #100. Schools that are ranked #80 - #100 have very low 150s and some even extend to 148-149 as a low LSAT. You could get into a tier 2 if you have a great GPA possibly. It's not impossible.


Even if this is true OP should be aiming much higher (he can definitely end up 160s/170s after serious prep) because none of those schools are worth going to.


What schools aren't worth going to?


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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby CoGar » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:09 am

Ufgirl wrote:Just took a practice exam which was the actual December 2016 LSAT Exam with timed proctor. I didn't know what it was about, the time, sections or basically anything about the test. I didn't have access to time besides for proctor warning and missed quite a few questions. The first two sections were my worst.
1. LR - 9 correct
2. RC - 9 correct
3. LG - 13 correct
4. LR - 17 correct
My LSAT was 146
I definitely found myself trying to work faster in 3&4 but still missed a couple in 3. I think mastering time is the key to the exam. I didn't have a good understanding of time management and I look forward to my next PT.



I had a very similar, almost mirrored diagnostic (145) as you when it comes to each sections breakdown, and that was after a couple weeks in the LSAT Trainer. Self studied for a month then got into a Testmasters course. This was an June- September course, which by then end, my last 3 diagnostics were over 160 with the highest being 166. Its definitely do able if you put in good, focused work and really hone in on your weaknesses, understanding and dissecting every aspect of the test.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby QueenBAYder » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:20 am

CoGar wrote:
Ufgirl wrote:Just took a practice exam which was the actual December 2016 LSAT Exam with timed proctor. I didn't know what it was about, the time, sections or basically anything about the test. I didn't have access to time besides for proctor warning and missed quite a few questions. The first two sections were my worst.
1. LR - 9 correct
2. RC - 9 correct
3. LG - 13 correct
4. LR - 17 correct
My LSAT was 146
I definitely found myself trying to work faster in 3&4 but still missed a couple in 3. I think mastering time is the key to the exam. I didn't have a good understanding of time management and I look forward to my next PT.



I had a very similar, almost mirrored diagnostic (145) as you when it comes to each sections breakdown, and that was after a couple weeks in the LSAT Trainer. Self studied for a month then got into a Testmasters course. This was an June- September course, which by then end, my last 3 diagnostics were over 160 with the highest being 166. Its definitely do able if you put in good, focused work and really hone in on your weaknesses, understanding and dissecting every aspect of the test.



Just wanted to second this endorsement for the LSAT trainer, I would highly recommend picking up a copy of the Trainer and the 10 Actual Books. The LSAT Trainer website has good study schedules as well, which will help keep you on track.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:15 pm

TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.


It's the beginning of tier 3. Technically tier 1 is #1 - #50 and tier 2 is #50 - #100. Schools that are ranked #80 - #100 have very low 150s and some even extend to 148-149 as a low LSAT. You could get into a tier 2 if you have a great GPA possibly. It's not impossible.


Even if this is true OP should be aiming much higher (he can definitely end up 160s/170s after serious prep) because none of those schools are worth going to.


What schools aren't worth going to?

#1-13 depends on your situation, may rarely be worth sticker, #14-25 without some scholarship, 26-50 without full scholarship, 51+ never (unless its the flagship school in your state and you have strong ties and you have a full scholarship). This is as lenient as I can make it.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby TheNextElleWoods » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:41 pm

Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.


It's the beginning of tier 3. Technically tier 1 is #1 - #50 and tier 2 is #50 - #100. Schools that are ranked #80 - #100 have very low 150s and some even extend to 148-149 as a low LSAT. You could get into a tier 2 if you have a great GPA possibly. It's not impossible.


Even if this is true OP should be aiming much higher (he can definitely end up 160s/170s after serious prep) because none of those schools are worth going to.


What schools aren't worth going to?

#1-13 depends on your situation, may rarely be worth sticker, #14-25 without some scholarship, 26-50 without full scholarship, 51+ never (unless its the flagship school in your state and you have strong ties and you have a full scholarship). This is as lenient as I can make it.


Haha, okay.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:14 pm

TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Jack_Kelly wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:If you've never done any prep or courses, I would say that a 146 isn't bad. Thats a tier 2 law school score and you do not have to be tier 1 to be a good attorney. My first was a 148 and now I'm hitting in the 150s with 3 months of prep still to go. I'm aiming for a 165 but being married, having a full time job, and full time school does not make it easy! You'll get there! Are you doing any prep courses?

I'm a 0L so can't refute most of this, but that's just not right. It's mayybe tier 3, probably 4.


It's the beginning of tier 3. Technically tier 1 is #1 - #50 and tier 2 is #50 - #100. Schools that are ranked #80 - #100 have very low 150s and some even extend to 148-149 as a low LSAT. You could get into a tier 2 if you have a great GPA possibly. It's not impossible.


Even if this is true OP should be aiming much higher (he can definitely end up 160s/170s after serious prep) because none of those schools are worth going to.


What schools aren't worth going to?

#1-13 depends on your situation, may rarely be worth sticker, #14-25 without some scholarship, 26-50 without full scholarship, 51+ never (unless its the flagship school in your state and you have strong ties and you have a full scholarship). This is as lenient as I can make it.


Haha, okay.

Do you really think people should go into debt at schools where a substantial number of graduates don't become practicing attorneys?

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby TheNextElleWoods » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:32 pm

I never stated that people should go into debt. I stated that you shouldn't discourage tier 2 law schools. You are classifying tier 1 as the first 25 schools and are not following the actual tiers. If you get a good LSAT and have a good GPA, you may actually have a better shot at a scholarship at a tier 2 school or low-end tier 1. There are PLENTY of schools that you can go to for less than $75,000 for your entire J.D. and too many people are focused on "If I don't go to a top 14 law school, I won't be a good lawyer!" That's crap and clearly misleading. As I stated above several posts ago, I know several lawyers who have gone to a tier 2 law school and who have gone to a tier 1 and have the SAME job, same pay, and the tier 1 typically have the higher loan amounts. And you can also lower your costs by establishing residency in the state that you are going to go to (if you can) and not overextending yourself. You are saying that you should never go to 51+ without a full scholarship, when in reality, they may be more affordable with some scholarship over a lower ranked school that you could lose your scholarship at because you are competing with top students from all around the country.
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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:33 pm

TheNextElleWoods wrote:I never stated that people should go into debt. I stated that you shouldn't discourage tier 2 law schools. You are clarifying tier 1 as the first 25 schools and are not following the actual tiers. If you get a good LSAT and have a good GPA, you may actually have a better shot at a scholarship at a tier 2 school or low-end tier 1. There are PLENTY of schools that you can go to for less than $75,000 for your entire J.D. and too many people are focused on "If I don't go to a top 14 law school, I won't be a good lawyer!" That's crap and clearly misleading. As I stated above several posts ago, I know several lawyers who have gone to a tier 2 law school and who have gone to a tier 1 and have the SAME job, same pay, and the tier 1 typically have the higher loan amounts. And you can also lower your costs by establishing residency in the state that you are going to go to (if you can) and not overextending yourself. You are saying that you should never go to 51+ without a full scholarship, when in reality, they may be more affordable with some scholarship over a lower ranked school that you could lose your scholarship at because you are competing with top students from all around the country.


So you've just outed yourself as terrible at making logical inferences - not someone I would trust on LSAT related questions, since you know, that's one of the most basic skills the LSAT tests against. Anecdotal correlation does not equal causation. In fact, your argument doesn't even prove that either of those TT or T1 people have *good* outcomes, just you're saying that some from both groups end up in the same bucket (the trash bucket).

Words to anyone looking on this site for advice: Don't take advice from anyone who tries to tie themselves to Elle Woods.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby TheNextElleWoods » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:47 pm

Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:I never stated that people should go into debt. I stated that you shouldn't discourage tier 2 law schools. You are clarifying tier 1 as the first 25 schools and are not following the actual tiers. If you get a good LSAT and have a good GPA, you may actually have a better shot at a scholarship at a tier 2 school or low-end tier 1. There are PLENTY of schools that you can go to for less than $75,000 for your entire J.D. and too many people are focused on "If I don't go to a top 14 law school, I won't be a good lawyer!" That's crap and clearly misleading. As I stated above several posts ago, I know several lawyers who have gone to a tier 2 law school and who have gone to a tier 1 and have the SAME job, same pay, and the tier 1 typically have the higher loan amounts. And you can also lower your costs by establishing residency in the state that you are going to go to (if you can) and not overextending yourself. You are saying that you should never go to 51+ without a full scholarship, when in reality, they may be more affordable with some scholarship over a lower ranked school that you could lose your scholarship at because you are competing with top students from all around the country.


So you've just outed yourself as terrible at making logical inferences - not someone I would trust on LSAT related questions, since you know, that's one of the most basic skills the LSAT tests against. Anecdotal correlation does not equal causation. In fact, your argument doesn't even prove that either of those TT or T1 people have *good* outcomes, just you're saying that some from both groups end up in the same bucket (the trash bucket).

Words to anyone looking on this site for advice: Don't take advice from anyone who tries to tie themselves to Elle Woods.


I don't need you to trust me on LSAT questions, but I appreciate the input! But thank you for being super rude on a post that we are have a discussion, not attacking one another.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:49 pm

TheNextElleWoods wrote:
Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
TheNextElleWoods wrote:I never stated that people should go into debt. I stated that you shouldn't discourage tier 2 law schools. You are clarifying tier 1 as the first 25 schools and are not following the actual tiers. If you get a good LSAT and have a good GPA, you may actually have a better shot at a scholarship at a tier 2 school or low-end tier 1. There are PLENTY of schools that you can go to for less than $75,000 for your entire J.D. and too many people are focused on "If I don't go to a top 14 law school, I won't be a good lawyer!" That's crap and clearly misleading. As I stated above several posts ago, I know several lawyers who have gone to a tier 2 law school and who have gone to a tier 1 and have the SAME job, same pay, and the tier 1 typically have the higher loan amounts. And you can also lower your costs by establishing residency in the state that you are going to go to (if you can) and not overextending yourself. You are saying that you should never go to 51+ without a full scholarship, when in reality, they may be more affordable with some scholarship over a lower ranked school that you could lose your scholarship at because you are competing with top students from all around the country.


So you've just outed yourself as terrible at making logical inferences - not someone I would trust on LSAT related questions, since you know, that's one of the most basic skills the LSAT tests against. Anecdotal correlation does not equal causation. In fact, your argument doesn't even prove that either of those TT or T1 people have *good* outcomes, just you're saying that some from both groups end up in the same bucket (the trash bucket).

Words to anyone looking on this site for advice: Don't take advice from anyone who tries to tie themselves to Elle Woods.


I don't need you to trust me on LSAT questions, but I appreciate the input! But thank you for being super rude on a post that we are have a discussion, not attacking one another.


Truth hurts kiddo. And I definitely wouldn't trust you on LSAT questions. Or anything else. T2 is trash. Don't go (unless you've got a full ride and are okay with small firm life).

If you want to give bad advice and get encouraged for doing so, r/LSAT is on reddit.

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Re: 1st Cold Practice LSAT..146

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:12 pm

TheNextElleWoods wrote:I never stated that people should go into debt. I stated that you shouldn't discourage tier 2 law schools. You are classifying tier 1 as the first 25 schools and are not following the actual tiers. If you get a good LSAT and have a good GPA, you may actually have a better shot at a scholarship at a tier 2 school or low-end tier 1. There are PLENTY of schools that you can go to for less than $75,000 for your entire J.D. and too many people are focused on "If I don't go to a top 14 law school, I won't be a good lawyer!" That's crap and clearly misleading. As I stated above several posts ago, I know several lawyers who have gone to a tier 2 law school and who have gone to a tier 1 and have the SAME job, same pay, and the tier 1 typically have the higher loan amounts. And you can also lower your costs by establishing residency in the state that you are going to go to (if you can) and not overextending yourself. You are saying that you should never go to 51+ without a full scholarship, when in reality, they may be more affordable with some scholarship over a lower ranked school that you could lose your scholarship at because you are competing with top students from all around the country.


First of all, there's no "correct" tiers, they are just made up. And I never claimed that those were "tiers", I just used those groups to give a rough cutoff of where employment #s tend to shift (and there are exceptions of course).

Nobody is making the argument that going to a top school makes you a better lawyer than someone who goes to a TT, just that outside of a small number of schools (T13 + some of the schools 14-25) employment outcomes are pretty crappy and there is a big chance that a graduate will not find full time work as a practicing attorney for a good wage.




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